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Why Switzerland Has The Lowest Gun Crime Rate In The World--they require gun ownership. Would America be better off with Switzerlands gun philosphy?

CAPISCE 2013/01/05 01:21:54
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Which country in has the lowest gun crime? (Yes, there's a clue in the title of this piece, but just go with it.)

Which country in Europe has the highest number of guns per capita?

Yep, you guessed it.

It's Switzerland!

As a regular traveller there myself to visit my Swiss relatives, I still flinch a bit when I see groups of men wandering around Zurich Hauptbahnhof railway station carrying machine guns and other automatic weapons, or when some badly-moustached bloke who lives upstairs in the apartment building hops on a tram with rifle (which one always presumes is fully loaded), but you get used to it. You also get used to feeling TOTALLY SAFE in Switzerland. Yes, the federal government there has tried to ingratiate itself with the EU by allowing in lot of immigrants who the Swiss people would rather had stayed in the old Yugoslavia because of the crime they commit, and I'm sure there's SOME gun crime amongst these badly-integrated immigrants. However, do not let the British press in the next few days bamboozle you with stories of gun-crime USA or gun-crime Britain, to further restrict your rights to bear arms.

Ask yourself, if so many people in Switzerland carry guns (and legally, every Swiss man over a certain age MUST bear arms), and if gun crime in Switzerland is so low, then why must all Englishmen be stripped down to lockless penknives with blades less than an inch long (and they'll probably ban these too, eventually).

Just look at the equation:

HIGH GUN Switzerland = LOW GUN CRIME Country (actually, virtually non-existent gun crime)

LOW GUN England = HIGH GUN CRIME England
Will lowering the amount of legal guns in England even further somehow make this equation magically reverse itself? If there are no legal guns left in the country whatsoever, except those possessed by angels in state uniforms, do you really think all gun crime will
disappear?

Yes, Tonto. But only if you read about Fantasy Land in The Guardian.
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  • exhon2009 2013/01/05 01:38:53
    YES
    exhon2009
    +10
    Toughest gun laws in the USA today? Chicago. Chicago has three times the murder by gun crime rate of New York City.

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  • Nerdette 2013/01/21 00:02:50 (edited)
    no
    Nerdette
    U r not considering other factors. Our societies r different. Our political + economic structures are different. Our values are different. Our use of drugs is different. We have more poor and inequality in US.

    Plus, Switzerland does not have a standing army, instead they have a people*s militia as its national defense. That is why so many have guns there. Not cuz they are worried about crime as much as it is about duty and serving their country
  • Lester Nerdette 2013/01/21 16:51:05
    Lester
    +1
    Two other points:
    1. Ammunition is tightly controlled by the Swiss government.
    2. With universal conscription, almost everyone is properly trained in firearm use.
  • AG 2013/01/08 15:49:29 (edited)
    no
    AG
    +1
    Stick with our 2nd Amendment. I am definitely Pro-Gun, but not EVERYONE should have a gun.

    institutionalized

    left extremist

    black gangs
  • Bud 2013/01/07 14:25:22
    no
    Bud
    Switzerland has a much smaller population than the United States. My thought is stick with the 2nd. amendment of our Constitution.

    Bud
  • none 2013/01/06 20:02:28
    YES
    none
    +1
    Sure would.
  • nicesteve 2013/01/05 22:13:02
    YES
    nicesteve
    +1
    Provided that they screen nine ways to sunday, anyone and everyone whom
    they mandate firearm ownership for. And furthermore, that they also require
    ongoing training and education in their safe use and maintainence. So long
    as both of those requirements are well fulfilled, then mandetory arming of
    several citizens, both males and females might be an excellent idea.
  • frank 2013/01/05 19:04:27
    YES
    frank
    +1
    It would seem to me that their statics prove that to be true and there is NO need for gun control.
  • Roy 2013/01/05 18:36:42 (edited)
  • cc 2013/01/05 18:15:04
    YES
    cc
    +1
    Having more guns period will not fix our problem. Having people trained in the safe use of firearms and using a firearm program in the academic programs throughout our children's lives that builds character and integrity will go a long way toward success!
  • schjaz 2013/01/05 18:01:18
    YES
    schjaz
    +3
    And everyone should be required to take a class.
  • Deadmanwwe schjaz 2013/01/05 18:18:24 (edited)
    Deadmanwwe
    +12
    And also a mental evaluation. That's the biggest part I want to happen.
  • schjaz Deadmanwwe 2013/01/06 16:16:08
    schjaz
    +1
    hmmmmmmm...something to think about...could be subjective depending on the person evaluating and where they stand on gun control.
  • Deadmanwwe schjaz 2013/01/07 06:53:23 (edited)
    Deadmanwwe
    +3
    Maybe a nonpartisan person.
  • schjaz Deadmanwwe 2013/01/08 15:46:37
    schjaz
    eeeeeeyeah...still subjective. but i see what you are saying.
  • AngelArs 2013/01/05 17:53:22
    no
    AngelArs
    +1
    This is VERY disingenuous. Switzerland does NOT have low gun homicide rate! They are almost as bad as the U.S. See for yourself at the stats link below. For America to lower its homicides we would need to be more like Japan or China and REMOVE the guns from our culture.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
  • cc AngelArs 2013/01/05 18:11:17
    cc
    +1
    I looked at the chart and the information shows a substantial difference in Switzerland and the USA. Did you have another piece of information in that link that was more enlightening?
  • Roy AngelArs 2013/01/05 18:43:32
    Roy
    +1
    LOL, wrong.
  • CAPISCE AngelArs 2013/01/05 19:00:02
    CAPISCE
    +1
    Baloney
  • AG AngelArs 2013/01/08 19:37:54
    AG
    Don't use Wikipedia ( the site anyone can edit) if you want to be taken seriously.
    wikipedia site edit
  • LaylaCh... AngelArs 2013/05/09 19:08:30
    LaylaChloesNana
    +2
    Wikipedia? Really?

    Please learn to read a chart.
  • Deadmanwwe 2013/01/05 17:51:00
    no
    Deadmanwwe
    +1
    I don't think you can compare the two.... America has some retarded ass people with guns.
  • roman 2013/01/05 17:45:48
    YES
    roman
    and some of their other laws would make our civilization a better place but the rethuglicans just cant go for progress unless it is mixed with 75% poison like the tar sands deal
  • David H... roman 2013/01/05 17:56:48
    David Hussey
    +2
    You know what? Perhaps if you stopped denigrating your ideological opponents with terms like "rethuglican' you might have a chance at having them consider you ideas. But you, like most people just want to keep on with the childish bickering, so it is obvious that you haven't got any effing interest in progress either.... you just like to pretend you do so you can feel better about yourself.
  • Doc Fre... roman 2013/01/07 22:28:47
    Doc Freeman BTO-T-TB~pwcmjla~
    +1
    As Socrates said: “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
  • chicago 2013/01/05 17:24:33 (edited)
    no
    chicago
    +2
    Here's my question.

    Switzerland averages 45 guns per 100 people (4th in the world).

    America averages 88 guns per 100 people (1st in the world).

    So are you suggesting we should radically decrease the amount of guns in the US?
  • David H... chicago 2013/01/05 17:30:37
    David Hussey
    +1
    You are clearly deflecting here Chicago. Do you really believe that if you decreased the gun count in the US to the same level as the Swiss that you'd magically arrive at the Swiss gun homicide rate? Come on girl, you're brighter than that.

    How be rather than decreasing the number of guns that America decrease its love of violence and aggression instead?
  • chicago David H... 2013/01/05 17:40:06 (edited)
    chicago
    +2
    Hi David! Happy New Year!

    Heavens no I don't believe that by decreasing the percentage of gun ownership, to the Swiss level, that our homicide rate would fall to their level! The original post seemed to imply that the Swiss have a higher level of gun ownership (they don't) and that their process to acquire guns is less onerous (it isn't) than in the U.S. My opinion, as to gun ownership here, is moot. I'm trying to understand what the point of the post is as, logically, it doesn't seem to make sense.

    To quote the post:
    - "HIGH GUN Switzerland = LOW GUN CRIME". Using this "logic" we should conclude:
    - "EVEN HIGHER GUN America = EVEN LOWER GUN CRIME", which, of course, is not the case.
  • David H... chicago 2013/01/05 17:53:31
    David Hussey
    +1
    Hi Chicago. Happy New Year to you too!

    The original post is factually incorrect, and the point of it is obviously to perpetuate the myth that having lots of guns has some kind of bearing on crime rates. I was responding to your last sentence, which seemed to imply a decrease in gun count would produce a positive result.
  • chicago David H... 2013/01/05 18:19:25 (edited)
    chicago
    +1
    No worries, probably poorly worded on my part.

    By the way, the fact that we average 88 out of 100 Americans owning guns is FROM 2007! The irrational fear that "Obama is here to take our guns" has caused gun sales to skyrocket over the last few years (and it has spiked again since Obama's reelection), driving that percentage even higher.

    Using the "logic" from this post we (America) should have the lowest gun crime rate in the world, by far. We don't, so the "solution" some folks put forth is "we need more guns, in more places". Candidly, I don't have much of an issue with private gun ownership however (like most Americans), would like consistent, reasonable qualifiers for purchase (like..let's say Switzerland).
  • David H... chicago 2013/01/05 18:32:22
    David Hussey
    I find the "we need more guns" logic to be as delusional as the "less guns will fix it" thinking. And you're quite right about the irrational fears spiking guns sales... you'd almost think that they throw out gun control rhetoric from time to time as some kind of sales pitch for the gun industry.

    I've no issue with people having guns, they're just a tool. No better, no worse than the person using it. For me, the violence is a cultural problem, not a gun problem.
  • antitea... chicago 2013/01/05 19:07:44
    antiteaparty
    There are roughly 88 guns per 100 people in the US... With odds like that you'd think criminals wouldn't dare break into anyone's home in the US due to the amount of guns (Using the Swiss argument for guns)... Yet criminals randomly chose homes to enter in the US... If you want to use the argument that the Swiss are safer than the US because they are armed well then the same should be able to be said about the US, but it isn't... That's what gun advocates don't understand... There is underlying reason to Gun violence and it has nothing to do with the amount of guns in everyone's home except the fact that more guns and the ease of accessibility = more gun violence...
  • Gid 2013/01/05 16:11:07
    no
    Gid
    I'm all about guns and liberty. It would be quite wrong for the feds to require gun ownership. They should stop making it difficult to have one though. So no NFA and the like.
  • Riobhca 2013/01/05 15:56:34
    YES
    Riobhca
    Absolutely.
  • Matt P. 2013/01/05 15:54:03
    YES
    Matt P.
    Of course liberals and their news agencies ignore facts like these and instead, like young teenagers with raging hormones, rely on their emotions to dictate much of what they do.
  • Bevos 2013/01/05 15:27:04
    YES
    Bevos
    When a Country takes guns away from LAW-ABIDING Citizens, it is for CONTROL of those citizens. ONLY!!!
  • Silverlocust 2013/01/05 15:12:11
    YES
    Silverlocust
    +2
    And here's why;

    Switzerland requires all purchasers of weapons from a gun shop or a private seller, to have a government permit and the applicant is checked for 1) criminal history 2) psychiatric history 3) any history of endangering his own life or that of others and 4) any history of domestic violence.
    Also, all sales of ammunition at gun shops are registered with the purchaser's ID. If ammunition is bought at a gun range, it must be used there or returned.
    Also, gun owners must reapply for their licence every 5 years.

    Militia members (similar to the US National Guard) used to be issued with 50 rounds of ammunition to be kept at home in a sealed container but in 2007 all the ammunition was returned and is no longer issued.

    The above would be an ideal starting point for America gun philosophy.

    Can I ask what your source is for the statement that Switzerland has the lowest gun crime rate in Europe?
    According to UN figures which can be found here > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    Switzerland has the 3rd HIGHEST gun death rate in Europe.
    I realize you quoted gun CRIME but figures for those are notoriously unreliable as different countries use different definitions for that whereas deaths are straightforward.

    Still, even with its relatively high gun-death rate for Europe (c...
    And here's why;

    Switzerland requires all purchasers of weapons from a gun shop or a private seller, to have a government permit and the applicant is checked for 1) criminal history 2) psychiatric history 3) any history of endangering his own life or that of others and 4) any history of domestic violence.
    Also, all sales of ammunition at gun shops are registered with the purchaser's ID. If ammunition is bought at a gun range, it must be used there or returned.
    Also, gun owners must reapply for their licence every 5 years.

    Militia members (similar to the US National Guard) used to be issued with 50 rounds of ammunition to be kept at home in a sealed container but in 2007 all the ammunition was returned and is no longer issued.

    The above would be an ideal starting point for America gun philosophy.

    Can I ask what your source is for the statement that Switzerland has the lowest gun crime rate in Europe?
    According to UN figures which can be found here > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    Switzerland has the 3rd HIGHEST gun death rate in Europe.
    I realize you quoted gun CRIME but figures for those are notoriously unreliable as different countries use different definitions for that whereas deaths are straightforward.

    Still, even with its relatively high gun-death rate for Europe (certainly higher than the UK), Switzerland is considerably safer in that respect than the USA.
    So, get a letter off to your congressman urging him to instigate Swiss-like gun controls immediately as their gun philosophy could only benefit America.
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  • antitea... Silverl... 2013/01/05 18:49:01
  • Bali 2013/01/05 13:57:39
    YES
    Bali
    +3
    A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
    China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated
    Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
    You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this infor...











    A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
    China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated
    Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
    You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
    Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
    Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
    The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
    With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
    During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
    If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.
    SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
    SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
    SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
    IT'S A NO BRAINER!
    DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
    Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!
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  • Silverl... Bali 2013/01/05 16:25:59
    Silverlocust
    +2
    I understand that you didn't write the above article (I had the same stuff appear in my own inbox) but could you supply a source for any of this information?

    You see, when my eyes fell on the statement that "China established gun control in 1935", I thought, that would be a very odd thing to do, given that China was at war with Japan at the time.
    I wondered if any of the other pieces of information were as wacky. And then I saw "During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!" ... either you are mistakenly recalling that episode of the Family Guy where the Brits invade, or your smoking something illegal.
  • Bali Silverl... 2013/01/05 17:07:22
    Bali
    +1
    A history lesson from someone wishing to repeat history. No thanks. Why don't you try naming YOUR sources prag? Are you an advocate of gun control? Did you serve in OUR nations armed forces?

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