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  • Nozzghoull 2009/05/07 05:07:54
    FAKE
    Nozzghoull
    +4
    Normal cycles of the earth that get cooler and hotter, sure.
    Al Gore's claim = Bullshit. Nothing more than a scam to get rich. He should be ashamed of himself. Cap n Trade? More B.S. Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaake

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  • Michael 2009/12/08 23:56:03
    FAKE
    Michael
    The only thing the scientists know for sure: IT WILL GET COOLER, THEN IT WILL GET WARMER, THEN IT WILL GET COOLER AGAIN, THEN IT WILL GET WARMER AGAIN, ....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The Holocene Climate Optimum was a warm period during roughly the interval 9,000 to 5,000 years B.P.

    The Holocene Climate Optimum warm event consisted of increases of up to 4 °C near the North Pole (in one study, winter warming of 3 to 9 °C and summer of 2 to 6 °C in northern central Siberia).

    This warm period was followed by a gradual decline until about 2,000 years ago.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The extreme weather events of 535–536 were the most severe and protracted short-term episodes of cooling in the Northern Hemisphere in the last 2,000 years

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The Medieval Warm Period (MWP) or Medieval Climate Optimum was a time of warm climate in the North Atlantic region, lasting from about AD 800–1300. It was followed by a cooler period in the North Atlantic termed the Little Ice Age.

    Global temperature records taken from ice cores, tree rings, and lake deposits, have shown that, taken globally, the Earth may have been slightly cooler (by 0.03 degrees Celsius) during the 'Medieval Warm Period' than in the early- and mid-20th century

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    The only thing the scientists know for sure: IT WILL GET COOLER, THEN IT WILL GET WARMER, THEN IT WILL GET COOLER AGAIN, THEN IT WILL GET WARMER AGAIN, ....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The Holocene Climate Optimum was a warm period during roughly the interval 9,000 to 5,000 years B.P.

    The Holocene Climate Optimum warm event consisted of increases of up to 4 °C near the North Pole (in one study, winter warming of 3 to 9 °C and summer of 2 to 6 °C in northern central Siberia).

    This warm period was followed by a gradual decline until about 2,000 years ago.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The extreme weather events of 535–536 were the most severe and protracted short-term episodes of cooling in the Northern Hemisphere in the last 2,000 years

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The Medieval Warm Period (MWP) or Medieval Climate Optimum was a time of warm climate in the North Atlantic region, lasting from about AD 800–1300. It was followed by a cooler period in the North Atlantic termed the Little Ice Age.

    Global temperature records taken from ice cores, tree rings, and lake deposits, have shown that, taken globally, the Earth may have been slightly cooler (by 0.03 degrees Celsius) during the 'Medieval Warm Period' than in the early- and mid-20th century

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The Little Ice Age (LIA) was a period of cooling that occurred after a warmer era known as the Medieval Warm Period.

    Some confine the Little Ice Age to approximately the 16th century to the mid-19th century.[2] It is generally agreed that there were three minima, beginning about 1650, about 1770, and 1850, each separated by intervals of slight warming

    Evidence from mountain glaciers does suggest increased glaciation in a number of widely spread regions outside Europe prior to the 20th century, including Alaska, New Zealand and Patagonia. However, the timing of maximum glacial advances in these regions differs considerably, suggesting that they may represent largely independent regional climate changes, not a globally-synchronous increased glaciation. Thus current evidence does not support globally synchronous periods of anomalous cold or warmth over this timeframe, and the conventional terms of "Little Ice Age" and "Medieval Warm Period" appear to have limited utility in describing trends in hemispheric or global mean temperature changes in past centuries.
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  • Michael Michael 2009/12/17 22:09:59
    Michael
    Global cooling
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...

    CO2 is a trailing indicator of temperature
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...

    So-called Global Warming "scientists"
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...

    The 'climate change' hockey stick lie
    http://www.sodahead.com/techn...
  • tapaungthi 2009/10/22 06:15:05
    FAKE
    tapaungthi
    deepsure is fake. this man is clapping.
  • Dan 2009/10/17 12:23:03
    FAKE
    Dan
    It's already happening. As thousands of scientists already explained last year, global warming is a lie. It's NOT man-made and there is NO impact on our Earth. Our Earth has 25-40 year natural cycl...
    It's already happening. As thousands of scientists already explained last year, global warming is a lie. It's NOT man-made and there is NO impact on our Earth. Our Earth has 25-40 year natural cycles of warming and cooling. Yet, possessed globalists, leftists, and Democrats throughout the US and the world are all trying to use this complete lie to unify the world's finances and political goals.
    Yesterday, a news report (I believe it was CNN) came over the radio. The first message was that this winter will be one of the coldest winter's our country has faced in probably 20 years (even worst than last winter). Already snowstorms are creating problems in the northern states. The next sentence spoken on this news report was that Obama and Congress are already in negotiations about using some of their damned Cap and Trade (Cap and Tax, actually) revenues (penalties imposed on successful business to help pay for the "man-made global warming" lie.
    So, in a nutshell, Obama and the enviro-globalist wackos (Democrats) in Congress will begin increasing taxes taken from taxpayers on the b...
    It's already happening. As thousands of scientists already explained last year, global warming is a lie. It's NOT man-made and there is NO impact on our Earth. Our Earth has 25-40 year natural cycl...
    It's already happening. As thousands of scientists already explained last year, global warming is a lie. It's NOT man-made and there is NO impact on our Earth. Our Earth has 25-40 year natural cycles of warming and cooling. Yet, possessed globalists, leftists, and Democrats throughout the US and the world are all trying to use this complete lie to unify the world's finances and political goals.
    Yesterday, a news report (I believe it was CNN) came over the radio. The first message was that this winter will be one of the coldest winter's our country has faced in probably 20 years (even worst than last winter). Already snowstorms are creating problems in the northern states. The next sentence spoken on this news report was that Obama and Congress are already in negotiations about using some of their damned Cap and Trade (Cap and Tax, actually) revenues (penalties imposed on successful business to help pay for the "man-made global warming" lie.
    So, in a nutshell, Obama and the enviro-globalist wackos (Democrats) in Congress will begin increasing taxes taken from taxpayers on the basis of "global warming" to pay for high fuel costs during the freezing winter months. Since most taxpayers are Republicans and Conservatives, we will be forced to provide for Obama's voters based on a complete load of bullcrap (man-made global warming).
    Obama fanatics on SodaHead will ignore the complete hypocrisy and corruption associated with this matter and take the "moral high ground" by asking "So, why do you Republicans want poor Democrat victims to freeze to death?" That, of course, is NOT my point! My point is that millions of my fellow Americans are ignorant about the justification for their Democrats to "do the right thing". It's all hypocrisy and lies!!!
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  • Blade Master 2009/09/15 18:46:38
    FAKE
    Blade Master
    Global Warming was invented by Al Gore in an effort to obtain enough finances and resources to fight/capture/kill ManBearPig.
  • EF 2009/07/20 17:20:58
    FAKE
    EF
    Totally. Just a money and power grab. Al Gore needs to be put in jail for the fraud.
  • Go Green EF 2009/08/02 04:17:29 (edited)
    Go Green
    What money? What power? He has none! I will tell you who has the power: OIL, Coal companies! That's who has the ears of congress.

    This from MIT.edu known for their scientific TRUTH and excellent knowledge.
    Science and policy of climate change

    A scientific consensus has emerged that human activity — specifically, emissions of greenhouse gases from the combustion of fossil fuels — is a major contributor to climate change. Critical debate now focuses on what levels of reduction in greenhouse gas emissions will prevent unacceptable climate change in the future, what policies or regulatory measures — national and global — will achieve reduction goals with the fewest economic and societal repercussions and how such reductions should be allocated among developing and developed nations. Global economic development, natural processes and ecosystem behavior play important roles in determining how atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases evolve and how increases may affect climate. Determining what locations and peoples may be most affected by climate change and what steps can be taken to ameliorate these negative impacts are critical issues for further research.
  • BillySteve Go Green 2009/08/02 06:32:15
    BillySteve
    +1
    Gore makes a lot of money off of speeches and books. He also has investments in Carbon Trading. At this point in time VP Gore has well over $100 million tucked away from his "advocacy".

    Gore is also a big shareholder in Occidental Petroleum... but I'm sure he's sorry about it. He probably cries all the way to the bank from the dividends.


    By the way, MIT is government funded and the staff there is quite capable of making mistakes. Even honest mistakes.

    Scientific consensus is meaningless. Even the slightest acquaintance with the history of science reveals the irrelevancy of "consensus" in the pursuit of knowledge.
  • Brooke 2009/06/13 01:26:13
    We are not that powerfull
    Brooke
  • Jasmine 2009/06/12 14:29:52
    We are not that powerfull
    Jasmine
    +1
    Its real powerfull real
  • keya 2009/06/09 17:11:41
    FAKE
    keya
    +1
    i dont believe in that stuff
  • Go Green keya 2009/06/21 09:15:57
  • Babe 2009/06/01 01:10:09 (edited)
    FAKE
    Babe
  • Go Green Babe 2009/06/21 09:16:12
  • i812 2009/05/28 18:59:00
    We are not that powerfull
    i812
    global warming is real. it has been warming since the last ice age. as for gore he is a dork.
  • Go Green i812 2009/06/21 09:16:27
  • i812 Go Green 2009/08/03 15:40:07
    i812
    wow and they pay these people to tell us what we allready know and have known for years. the climate is changing. what is so new about that. it has been changing since the last ice age.
  • wtw i812 2009/08/02 05:11:29 (edited)
    wtw
    +1
    Apperently there are over 30,000 scientist that do not agree http://www.newsmax.com/newsfr...
  • i812 wtw 2009/08/03 15:45:02
    i812
    thank you. and if you ask a climatetologist they will tell you the same thing.
  • ali 2009/05/25 05:45:47
    FAKE
    ali
    +1
    okay i hate hearing about global warming bc it is fake, they say that theres global warming on the moon and stuff, and they say some is caused from car pollution are there cars on the moon? no. and they say that the icecaps are melting, well actually they are freezing up alot more in other places, and polar bears are not becoming extinct, there are more of them than there were 10 years ago. and when they ask scientists to prove it they don't bc they don't have the evidence bc it is FAKE.
  • T ali 2009/06/02 11:23:09
    T
    Polar bears actually do quite well in zoos in temperate, and even hot climates, such as in San Diego and Phoenix. During the Arctic winter, they HIBERNATE. They also eat vegetation which grows much better in warmer weather than in sub-zero weather. And their favorite food--seals- are in abundance in warmer waters such as the western US continental coast.
  • ali T 2009/06/03 22:37:25
    ali
    idc if you know alt about fucking polar bears. RAWR. bitch(:
  • Go Green 2009/05/24 19:26:05 (edited)
    We are not that powerfull
    Go Green
    +1
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    Ice ages come and go over millennia, and for the past 8,000 years, the gradual end of the last ice age has seen a natural increase in worldwide temperatures, all scientists agree. Skeptics have expressed doubt that industrial activity is to blame for world's rapidly rising temperatures.

    But records show that for the past 50 years or so, the warming trend has sped up -- due, researchers said, to the atmospheric burden of greenhouse gases produced by everything industrial, from power plants burning fossil fuels to gas-guzzling cars -- and the effects are clear.

    "We were stunned by the similarities between the observations that have been recorded at sea worldwide and the models that climatologists made," said Tim Barnett of the University of California's Scripps Institution of Oceanography. "The debate is over, at least for rational people. And for those who insist that the uncertainties remain too great, their argument is no longer tenable. We've nailed it."

    Barnett and other experts marshaled their evidence and presented it to their colleagues for the first time at a symposium here.

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    Ice ages come and go over millennia, and for the past 8,000 years, the gradual end of the last ice age has seen a natural increase in worldwide temperatures, all scientists agree. Skeptics have expressed doubt that industrial activity is to blame for world's rapidly rising temperatures.

    But records show that for the past 50 years or so, the warming trend has sped up -- due, researchers said, to the atmospheric burden of greenhouse gases produced by everything industrial, from power plants burning fossil fuels to gas-guzzling cars -- and the effects are clear.

    "We were stunned by the similarities between the observations that have been recorded at sea worldwide and the models that climatologists made," said Tim Barnett of the University of California's Scripps Institution of Oceanography. "The debate is over, at least for rational people. And for those who insist that the uncertainties remain too great, their argument is no longer tenable. We've nailed it."

    Barnett and other experts marshaled their evidence and presented it to their colleagues for the first time at a symposium here.

    For the past 40 years, Barnett said, observations by seaborne instruments have shown that the increased warming has penetrated the oceans of the world - - observations, he said, that have proved identical to computer predictions whose accuracy has been challenged by global-warming skeptics.

    The most recent temperature observations, he said, fit those models with extraordinary accuracy.

    But a spokesman for the Bush administration -- which has been criticized for not taking global warming seriously -- was unfazed by the latest news.

    "Our position has been the same for a long time," said Bill Holbrook, spokesman for the White House Council on Environmental Quality. "The science of global climate change is uncertain."

    "Ice is in decline everywhere on the planet, and especially in the Arctic, " said Ruth Curry, a physical oceanographer at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, "and there is large-scale drying throughout the Northern Hemisphere."

    Ice cores drilled deep into the Greenland ice cap show that salinity of the ice at the upper layers of the cores has decreased sharply due to the incursion of fresh water draining from melting snows on the surface, she reported, and land ice and permafrost are in decline all around the Arctic. In the meantime, she said, measurements show that salinity of the ocean waters nearer the equator has increased as the rate of evaporation of warmer tropical and subtropical oceans quickens.

    It may take several centuries for all the ice that covers Greenland to melt, Curry said, "but its release of fresh water will make sea-level rise a very significant issue in this century." In fact, she said, changes in the freshwater balance of the oceans has already caused severe drought conditions in America's Western states and many parts of China and other Asian countries.

    Already, the physics of increased warming and the changes in ocean circulation that result are strongly affecting the entire ecology of the Arctic regions, according to Sharon L. Smith, an oceanographer and marine biologist at the University of Miami.

    Last summer, on an expedition ranging from Alaska's Aleutian islands to the Arctic Ocean above the state's oil-rich North Slope, Smith said she encountered the leading elder of an Eskimo community on Little Diomede island who told her that ice conditions offshore were changing rapidly year by year; that the ice was breaking up and retreating earlier and earlier; and that in the previous year the men of his community were able to kill only 10 walrus for their crucial food supplies, compared to past harvests of 200 or more.

    Populations of bowhead whales, which the Eskimo people of Barrow on the North Slope are permitted to hunt, are declining too, Smith said. The organisms essential to the diet of Eider ducks living on St. Lawrence Island have been in rapid decline, while both the plants and ducks have moved 100 miles north to colder climates -- a migration, she said, that obviously was induced by the warming of the waters off the island.

    Another piece of evidence Smith cited for the ecological impact of warming in the Arctic emerged in the Bering Sea, where there was a huge die- off in 1997 of a single species of seabirds called short-tailed shearwaters.

    Hundreds of thousands of birds died, she said, and the common plankton plants on which they depend totally for food was replaced by inedible plants covered with calcite mineral plates. Those plants thrive in warmer waters and require higher-than-normal levels of carbon dioxide -- the major greenhouse gas -- to reproduce, Smith said.

    "What more convincing evidence do we need that warming is real?" Smith asked.

    Chronicle news services contributed to this report.E-mail David Perlman at dperlman@sfchronicle.com.

    This article appeared on page A - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle
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  • BillySteve Go Green 2009/05/24 20:17:42
    BillySteve
    By the way, in the distant past ice core samples show carbon dioxide levels far higher than today. Where was their "runaway global warming"?
  • Go Green BillySteve 2009/05/24 20:36:56 (edited)
    Go Green
    So, what are we going to do about the sea level rise?
  • T Go Green 2009/06/02 11:17:35
    T
    +1
    http://www.cato.org/special/c...
    Being a "libertarian", you know,or should know, that The Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank.

    "Few challenges facing America and the world are more urgent than combating climate change.The science is beyond dispute and the facts are clear."
    — PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA, NOVEMBER 19 , 2008

    With all due respect Mr. President, that is not true.

    We, the undersigned scientists, maintain that the case for alarm regarding climate change is grossly overstated. Surface temperature changes over the past century have been episodic and modest and there has been no net global warming for over a decade now.1,2 After controlling for population growth and property values, there has been no increase in damages from severe weather-related events.3 The computer models forecasting rapid temperature change abjectly fail to explain recent climate behavior.4 Mr. President, your characterization of the scientific facts regarding climate change and the degree of certainty informing the scientific debate is simply incorrect.

    * Syun Akasofu, Ph.D, University Of Alaska
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    Being a "libertarian", you know,or should know, that The Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank.

    "Few challenges facing America and the world are more urgent than combating climate change.The science is beyond dispute and the facts are clear."
    — PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA, NOVEMBER 19 , 2008

    With all due respect Mr. President, that is not true.

    We, the undersigned scientists, maintain that the case for alarm regarding climate change is grossly overstated. Surface temperature changes over the past century have been episodic and modest and there has been no net global warming for over a decade now.1,2 After controlling for population growth and property values, there has been no increase in damages from severe weather-related events.3 The computer models forecasting rapid temperature change abjectly fail to explain recent climate behavior.4 Mr. President, your characterization of the scientific facts regarding climate change and the degree of certainty informing the scientific debate is simply incorrect.

    * Syun Akasofu, Ph.D, University Of Alaska
    * Arthur G. Anderson, Ph.D, Director Of Research, IBM (retired)
    * Charles R. Anderson, Ph.D, Anderson Materials Evaluation
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  • impeach barry soetoro 2009/05/20 03:50:58
  • wtw 2009/05/09 19:10:22
    We are not that powerfull
    wtw
    +1
    It really needs debated! Regardless, we need to control waste and abuse of the earth! Whether it is real or not we need to take care of the earth.
    A major issue is what this means to our energy "crisis". Is the use of our petroleum products causing warming? If so we need to curtail such activity. If not fuel needs to be explored opened up and made cheap until an alternate is found--both should be priorities.
  • Go Green wtw 2009/05/24 19:31:27
    Go Green
    RIGHT!
  • EF wtw 2009/07/20 17:29:43
    EF
    +1
    Debate would be good. Gore refuses to debate the issue because he knows he would be proven wrong and there goes his billion he plans to make after cap and con passes.
  • BillySteve 2009/05/09 17:24:10
    We are not that powerfull
    BillySteve
    I'm skeptical of the science but wish to pursue it further. At worst we may end up with better weather forecasting.

    As far as "remediation" - that's a scam.
  • Go Green BillySteve 2009/05/24 19:31:45
    Go Green
    Latest Research and truths:

    Ice ages come and go over millennia, and for the past 8,000 years, the gradual end of the last ice age has seen a natural increase in worldwide temperatures, all scientists agree. Skeptics have expressed doubt that industrial activity is to blame for world's rapidly rising temperatures.

    But records show that for the past 50 years or so, the warming trend has sped up -- due, researchers said, to the atmospheric burden of greenhouse gases produced by everything industrial, from power plants burning fossil fuels to gas-guzzling cars -- and the effects are clear.

    "We were stunned by the similarities between the observations that have been recorded at sea worldwide and the models that climatologists made," said Tim Barnett of the University of California's Scripps Institution of Oceanography. "The debate is over, at least for rational people. And for those who insist that the uncertainties remain too great, their argument is no longer tenable. We've nailed it."

    Barnett and other experts marshaled their evidence and presented it to their colleagues for the first time at a symposium here.

    For the past 40 years, Barnett said, observations by seaborne instruments have shown that the increased warming has penetrated the oceans of the world - - observations, he said, that...





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    Latest Research and truths:

    Ice ages come and go over millennia, and for the past 8,000 years, the gradual end of the last ice age has seen a natural increase in worldwide temperatures, all scientists agree. Skeptics have expressed doubt that industrial activity is to blame for world's rapidly rising temperatures.

    But records show that for the past 50 years or so, the warming trend has sped up -- due, researchers said, to the atmospheric burden of greenhouse gases produced by everything industrial, from power plants burning fossil fuels to gas-guzzling cars -- and the effects are clear.

    "We were stunned by the similarities between the observations that have been recorded at sea worldwide and the models that climatologists made," said Tim Barnett of the University of California's Scripps Institution of Oceanography. "The debate is over, at least for rational people. And for those who insist that the uncertainties remain too great, their argument is no longer tenable. We've nailed it."

    Barnett and other experts marshaled their evidence and presented it to their colleagues for the first time at a symposium here.

    For the past 40 years, Barnett said, observations by seaborne instruments have shown that the increased warming has penetrated the oceans of the world - - observations, he said, that have proved identical to computer predictions whose accuracy has been challenged by global-warming skeptics.

    The most recent temperature observations, he said, fit those models with extraordinary accuracy.

    But a spokesman for the Bush administration -- which has been criticized for not taking global warming seriously -- was unfazed by the latest news.

    "Our position has been the same for a long time," said Bill Holbrook, spokesman for the White House Council on Environmental Quality. "The science of global climate change is uncertain."

    "Ice is in decline everywhere on the planet, and especially in the Arctic, " said Ruth Curry, a physical oceanographer at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, "and there is large-scale drying throughout the Northern Hemisphere."

    Ice cores drilled deep into the Greenland ice cap show that salinity of the ice at the upper layers of the cores has decreased sharply due to the incursion of fresh water draining from melting snows on the surface, she reported, and land ice and permafrost are in decline all around the Arctic. In the meantime, she said, measurements show that salinity of the ocean waters nearer the equator has increased as the rate of evaporation of warmer tropical and subtropical oceans quickens.

    It may take several centuries for all the ice that covers Greenland to melt, Curry said, "but its release of fresh water will make sea-level rise a very significant issue in this century." In fact, she said, changes in the freshwater balance of the oceans has already caused severe drought conditions in America's Western states and many parts of China and other Asian countries.

    Already, the physics of increased warming and the changes in ocean circulation that result are strongly affecting the entire ecology of the Arctic regions, according to Sharon L. Smith, an oceanographer and marine biologist at the University of Miami.

    Last summer, on an expedition ranging from Alaska's Aleutian islands to the Arctic Ocean above the state's oil-rich North Slope, Smith said she encountered the leading elder of an Eskimo community on Little Diomede island who told her that ice conditions offshore were changing rapidly year by year; that the ice was breaking up and retreating earlier and earlier; and that in the previous year the men of his community were able to kill only 10 walrus for their crucial food supplies, compared to past harvests of 200 or more.

    Populations of bowhead whales, which the Eskimo people of Barrow on the North Slope are permitted to hunt, are declining too, Smith said. The organisms essential to the diet of Eider ducks living on St. Lawrence Island have been in rapid decline, while both the plants and ducks have moved 100 miles north to colder climates -- a migration, she said, that obviously was induced by the warming of the waters off the island.

    Another piece of evidence Smith cited for the ecological impact of warming in the Arctic emerged in the Bering Sea, where there was a huge die- off in 1997 of a single species of seabirds called short-tailed shearwaters.

    Hundreds of thousands of birds died, she said, and the common plankton plants on which they depend totally for food was replaced by inedible plants covered with calcite mineral plates. Those plants thrive in warmer waters and require higher-than-normal levels of carbon dioxide -- the major greenhouse gas -- to reproduce, Smith said.

    "What more convincing evidence do we need that warming is real?" Smith asked.

    Chronicle news services contributed to this report.E-mail David Perlman at dperlman@sfchronicle.com.

    This article appeared on page A - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle
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  • BillySteve Go Green 2009/05/24 20:16:39
    BillySteve
    Causation? By this I mean a good scientific study which demonstrates that the trace amounts of carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere somehow create changes in black body radiation that escapes into space - that there is in fact a change in how much energy escapes and how much remains. We show carbon dioxide absorbs certain spectra of radiation, thus establishing strong proof.

    I see no mention of that in this article, only speculation about wildlilfe, comments from aborigines who want more government cheese and opinions from some PhDs who won't get their grants for "studies" if they piss off agencies that get money from Congress so it can hammer productive people with new taxes.

    Nobody argues that there is a greenhouse effect. Few argue that there isn't some sort of change in climate - that has been going on for ages.

    Where the dispute rises is demonstrating causation. IF you have a fever and suspect that you're infected that does not make it so. If you have a fever, take a certain drug and your fever breaks that's better. If someone takes a sample from you, shows that it's an infectious bacteria and then you get the drug and are cured that's much stronger proof.

    All of these effects you site are tangential observations. I could just as easily cite some primitive tribesman...'''

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    Causation? By this I mean a good scientific study which demonstrates that the trace amounts of carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere somehow create changes in black body radiation that escapes into space - that there is in fact a change in how much energy escapes and how much remains. We show carbon dioxide absorbs certain spectra of radiation, thus establishing strong proof.

    I see no mention of that in this article, only speculation about wildlilfe, comments from aborigines who want more government cheese and opinions from some PhDs who won't get their grants for "studies" if they piss off agencies that get money from Congress so it can hammer productive people with new taxes.

    Nobody argues that there is a greenhouse effect. Few argue that there isn't some sort of change in climate - that has been going on for ages.

    Where the dispute rises is demonstrating causation. IF you have a fever and suspect that you're infected that does not make it so. If you have a fever, take a certain drug and your fever breaks that's better. If someone takes a sample from you, shows that it's an infectious bacteria and then you get the drug and are cured that's much stronger proof.

    All of these effects you site are tangential observations. I could just as easily cite some primitive tribesman who pounds a drum each time the sun goes into eclipse. As far as he is concerned his drum summons the sun back. The only way to prove the it's not the drum but the Earth's rotation is to take his drum away, or restrain him. If he won't let me do either I cannot prove that his drum is powerless. For all I know a supernatural agency - God or Gaia - is listening and will punish us for denying the tribesman his devotional duties.

    So it is with carbon dioxide from fossil fuels. We have suspicions, but until we see some sort of direct evidence that these trace amounts of carbon dioxide actually influence the energy balance of the Earth's atmosphere, all we got are opinions.

    Anecdotes and opinions are not scientific evidence. Maybe Jimmy Hansen at NASA buys this kind of "evidence" but he's a whore with a PhD. As long as he moans the right way his protectors in Congress will shelter him.

    I realize that for many supporters of "remediation" hemming in "free enterprise" is their goal, and if the science is faulty, oh well.

    We'll see how you feel when some displaced worker knocks your teeth out to take your wallet. Everything has consequences you know.
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  • Go Green BillySteve 2009/08/02 05:24:59
    Go Green
    Let's see how you feel when the famine, floods & epidemics start happening, world wide. By then it will be way TOO LATE!
  • BillySteve Go Green 2009/08/02 06:27:29 (edited)
    BillySteve
    The US National Weather Service can't predict the path of a hurricane a dozen hours in advance but "scientists" know "the Temperature of the Earth" a century in advance to a resolution of one tenth of a degree centigrade. Sounds to me, Nature, like the US Government has the dummies handling Hurricane Forecasting and put all of the Geniuses into the "Climate Change" Department.

    Alternately "Human Caused Climate Change" is a gigantic scam meant to rape common folks of their money. So the real Climate Experts struggle with hurricane paths while the phonies fudge figures and crank garbage code to estimate imaginary values for events that will occur decades after they are biologically capable of being exposed as frauds.

    Go roll up the windows on your Volvo, come back in, kick off your Birkenstocks, and relax a bit. You're obviously not a scientist but you're passionate... about what I'm not sure. If you don't chill out the resultant stress will wreck your health and you won't live to see us "Skeptics" suffer, will you?
  • Go Green BillySteve 2009/08/02 06:28:51
  • BillySteve Go Green 2009/08/02 06:39:20
    BillySteve
    http://www.us-cap.org/

    USCAP Members Include:

    * AES
    * Alcoa
    * Alstom
    * Boston Scientific Corporation
    * BP America
    * Caterpillar
    * Chrysler
    * ConocoPhillips
    * Deere & Company
    * The Dow Chemical Company
    * Duke Energy
    * DuPont
    * Environmental Defense Fund
    * Exelon Corporation
    * Ford Motor Company
    * FPL Group
    * General Electric
    * General Motors Corporation
    * Johnson & Johnson
    * Natural Resources Defense Council
    * The Nature Conservancy
    * NRG Energy
    * PepsiCo
    * Pew Center on Global Climate Change
    * PG&E Corporation
    * PNM Resources
    * Rio Tinto
    * Shell
    * Siemens Corporation
    * World Resources Institute


    Yeah, we cannot trust those greedy Corporations, can we, Nature Man?

    Get a job, Hippie.
  • wtw Go Green 2009/07/21 03:00:57
    wtw
    There are now 30,000 scientist that question global warming,
  • Go Green wtw 2009/08/01 23:42:58
    Go Green
    That is a LIE! Most of them are not true scientists. How many of those are climatologists? most likely none.
  • wtw Go Green 2009/08/02 05:12:44

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