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2012 Election Result: AMERICA'S Road To Socialism!!

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  • GeeMichael.!! 2012/11/07 21:26:28
    I agree ...
    GeeMichael.!!
    A DICTATOR !
    WHEN WE ?
    SHALL SEE ...........
  • justagirl 2012/11/07 21:20:37
    I agree ...
    justagirl
    so·cial·ism/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
    Noun:

    A political and economic theory of that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated...
    (in Marxist theory) A transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

    Yep I believe it about sums it up
  • GeeMich... justagirl 2012/11/07 21:27:53
    GeeMichael.!!
    DOWN THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD !!

    WE BE BLUE ?
  • justagirl GeeMich... 2012/11/07 21:28:55
    justagirl
    Woke up to realize what a sad, sick world we live in
  • GeeMich... justagirl 2012/11/07 21:42:56
    GeeMichael.!!
    & I AGREE

    ...A/LPHA...MEN/DER...

    WHEN ?

    EMMANUEL: WE BE FREED !

    IS IT JESUS YOU SEE ?
  • Kaleokualoha 2012/11/07 19:17:06
    I disagree ...
    Kaleokualoha
    +1
    My condolences on your loss, conservatives! Welcome to the REAL world, not the alternate reality bubble in which many of you seem live. As some pundit commented, the GOP is a "Mad Men" party in a "Modern Family" America!

    Sodahead poll results once again prove how far to the right Sodahead actually is. It makes me feel like a missionary in Right-Wing Fantasyland!


    "I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. That is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant." - Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 - 1968)
  • Kaleoku... Kaleoku... 2012/11/07 19:17:31
    Kaleokualoha
    Just as Chicken Little started a "sky is falling" hysteria based on a falling acorn, so too are various critics pushing a "socialist" or "Marxist" Obama hysteria based on his economic policies. Not only do critics conveniently forget that the 2008 bailout was initiated by the Bush administration, but they also seem to have forgotten Econ 101. They could easily avoid such non sequitur nonsense by following the evidence instead of jumping to conclusions.

    Obama's "Marxist threat" is just as delusional as the "Iraqi threat" before the 2003 invasion. Both delusions are phantom menaces (i.e, fairy tales), fabricated and circulated by the Conservative Disinformation Network*. Both delusions are "straw men" designed to demonize their targets. Both delusions were swallowed in good faith by angry Americans, eager for excuses to attack their targets, who then circulated these myths further. Both delusions exploited the confirmation bias and ignorance of some Americans.

    In a classic display of masterful propaganda, both were also swallowed by others, who now had a REASON to attack the same targets, and circulate these myths further!

    BACKGROUND: According to dictionary.com, socialism is "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of th...



















    Just as Chicken Little started a "sky is falling" hysteria based on a falling acorn, so too are various critics pushing a "socialist" or "Marxist" Obama hysteria based on his economic policies. Not only do critics conveniently forget that the 2008 bailout was initiated by the Bush administration, but they also seem to have forgotten Econ 101. They could easily avoid such non sequitur nonsense by following the evidence instead of jumping to conclusions.

    Obama's "Marxist threat" is just as delusional as the "Iraqi threat" before the 2003 invasion. Both delusions are phantom menaces (i.e, fairy tales), fabricated and circulated by the Conservative Disinformation Network*. Both delusions are "straw men" designed to demonize their targets. Both delusions were swallowed in good faith by angry Americans, eager for excuses to attack their targets, who then circulated these myths further. Both delusions exploited the confirmation bias and ignorance of some Americans.

    In a classic display of masterful propaganda, both were also swallowed by others, who now had a REASON to attack the same targets, and circulate these myths further!

    BACKGROUND: According to dictionary.com, socialism is "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. In Marxist theory, it is the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles."

    Please note that it is the stage FOLLOWING capitalism. Capitalism has many forms in a mixed economy, with public (collective) ownership of various enterprises based upon economic conditions. Limited public ownership does not comprise Marxist socialism, which requires COMPLETE public ownership. When controlled by a police state, however, limited public ownership may become fascism ("national socialism"), Marxist socialism, or even "perfect implementation of collectivist principles" (i.e., communism). Limited public ownership occurs at virtually every point on the mixed economy spectrum.

    MIXED ECONOMIES: Every advocate of greater government economic control might be called a "socialist," but none are Marxist socialists unless they advocate the complete elimination of private enterprise. True (laissez-faire) capitalism means zero government control of private enterprise, which means economic anarchy. Neither of these extremes works in the long run. Every successful economy is a mixed economy, existing somewhere on a spectrum between both extremes.

    Every successful economy is part capitalist and part socialist. They all contain a mix of private and public ownership, and they all have some government control of private enterprise. The only relevant question is "WHERE on this spectrum can we achieve the greatest success?" The rise of Asian economies, with their varying degrees of centralized planning, proves that economic planning helps economic development.

    ARTIFICIAL CONSTRUCTS: Both laissez faire capitalism and true communism are artificial constructs, as impossible to sustain as cold fusion. Every successful society requires private enterprise regulated by public policy, regardless of Ayn Rand's fantasies. Extremists on either fringe are equally delusional. In some ways regulation is a necessary evil like body fat: too much or too little are both lethal. The normal tendency is to add layers with age. The challenge is to find the level that will produce the optimum outcome, all things considered.

    Unless someone advocates the complete replacement of capitalism with collectivism, they do not truly advocate socialism or communism. To accuse them of either, when they have not explicitly advocated as much themselves, suggests either unfamiliarity with mixed economies or intellectual dishonesty. Even George W. Bush and John McCain were accused of advocating socialism based upon their support of 2008 bailout legislation.

    ARE MIXED ECONOMIES "SOCIALIST"? The bottom line is simple. If you consider any variation of a mixed economy, including ANY public ownership or regulation of industry to be "socialism," then the United States and ALL other economies are "socialist." The debate is over, because by that definition we have been "socialist" since the 18th century. If you only consider complete collectivism to be "socialism," according to Marxist theory, then no successful economy is actually "socialist." The closest to a Marxist socialist economy is the economic basket case, North Korea. If you consider socialism to occur at some other point on the spectrum between unregulated capitalism and Marxist socialism, then any such point would be arbitrary.

    To accuse a mixed economy advocate of being a socialist or communist suggests that you believe that ANY degree of government ownership or regulation qualifies as "socialism," or that you believe that any ownership/regulation beyond an indefinite "trigger point" qualifies as "socialism,", and that YOU get to set the trigger point. The "trigger point" explanation reminds me of the egocentric explorer who says that anyone who explores farther into dangerous territory is a fool, but anyone who doesn’t explore as far as he does is a coward. His arrogance presumes that his own boundaries are both appropriate and common standards.

    MARXIST SOCIALISM: Marxist "socialism," in contrast to European "democratic socialism," requires collective ownership of the means of production and distribution. That is the death of private enterprise. We may or may not be on a path to collectivism, just as a dating couple may or may not be on a path to pregnancy. Traveling on a path in any direction does not imply any specific goal. For example, traveling on Interstate 10 does not imply that either coast is the goal.

    "Direction" is one thing. "Goal" is another. All mixed economies exist at some point in the spectrum between the fatal terminuses of unregulated capitalism and true socialism. In most Marxist states, however, capitalism reappeared as people recognized the lethal consequences of such extremes. Russia, China and other communist nations now recognize the virtue of mixed economies. They learned the hard way.

    SPECIOUS SPECULATION: I await empirical evidence, instead of specious speculation, that Obama wants to eliminate capitalism by moving to that extreme. To say Obama advocates the goal of socialism, based upon his movement on the spectrum instead of being based on his explicit advocacy, is to create a straw man. It is intellectually dishonest and unworthy of serious debate.
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  • Aruana ... Kaleoku... 2012/12/03 00:32:17
    Aruana Zeelie
    +10
    Brilliant. Thank you!
  • Shadow13 2012/11/07 19:07:00
    I disagree ...
    Shadow13
  • JCD aka "biz" 2012/11/07 18:58:55
    I disagree ...
    JCD aka "biz"
    +1
    Obamacare is not "Socialism", you don't even have a public option. Financial regulation is not "Socialism", only common sense etc.
  • RobHom 2012/11/07 18:35:59
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    RobHom
    +1
    A lot of you people claim socialism. but you never offer any proofs.

    I don't see any socialism.....but then maybe most of you are clueless as to what socialism really is.

    Having a national healthcare system is not socialism.....and providing decent affordable health care for all citizens is not socialist....its smart.

    I guess some of you are so invested in the talking heads that you would rather see the country revert to past stages when there was literally no middle class,....only the real haves and the have nots.... Robber barons versus the workers....

    Actually, you can thank Nixon for a lot of the problems today......
  • none 2012/11/07 17:56:41
    I agree ...
    none
    +1
    It's already started.
  • Nils Berg-Olsen 2012/11/07 17:48:06
    I disagree ...
    Nils Berg-Olsen
    Obama, unfortunately is not a socialist. Real socialism is where the workers control the means of production and distribution, it's not about welfare programs. As for all of the countries that right-wingers like to use as examples of socialism's failures, these countries were all top-down bureaucracies where the workers had no control over the government. Real socialism sounds a lot better than having a government bought out by corporations as to benefit their stock market shares. It's time we revive the real Socialist Party that saw Eugene Debs get millions of votes in the early 1900's.
  • ordman 2012/11/07 17:05:08
    I agree ...
    ordman
    +1
    The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.
    Albert Camus: French novelist, essayist, and playwright.1957 Nobel Prize for Literature. 1913-1960
  • Soup Man 2012/11/07 16:57:49
    I agree ...
    Soup Man
    +3
    Good luck to our country and the world. We will need it as America becomes the next Greece and no longer is a major player in the world except to give a handout instead of a hand up.

    This is no longer the United States that was founded and built on individual accomplishment that ultimately rewards those who apply themselves to achieve and then give as they choose through their own means and methods to others less capable. instead we will become even more of an environment of the government taking and giving to even those who are capable but choose not to apply themselves to achieve for themselves.

    Yes, the government will go ahead and increase taxes on those making $250,000 a year and it will add less than 1% more to the revenue in Washington, but then expenses through programs will increase an average 3-5% a year. So what have we achieved?
    ...
    Entitlements account for 75% of expenditures from Washington. Forget about paying the deficit. It's only going to increase.

    For all who get and expect more payout from Washington enjoy while you can because the pot will run out and sooner than you think.

    You don't think businesses are going to cut back due to higher regulations and taxes that have been promised? You don't think your individual costs to buy food, gas, home heating,...





    Good luck to our country and the world. We will need it as America becomes the next Greece and no longer is a major player in the world except to give a handout instead of a hand up.

    This is no longer the United States that was founded and built on individual accomplishment that ultimately rewards those who apply themselves to achieve and then give as they choose through their own means and methods to others less capable. instead we will become even more of an environment of the government taking and giving to even those who are capable but choose not to apply themselves to achieve for themselves.

    Yes, the government will go ahead and increase taxes on those making $250,000 a year and it will add less than 1% more to the revenue in Washington, but then expenses through programs will increase an average 3-5% a year. So what have we achieved?
    ...
    Entitlements account for 75% of expenditures from Washington. Forget about paying the deficit. It's only going to increase.

    For all who get and expect more payout from Washington enjoy while you can because the pot will run out and sooner than you think.

    You don't think businesses are going to cut back due to higher regulations and taxes that have been promised? You don't think your individual costs to buy food, gas, home heating, etc., etc. are not going to increase? Learn basic economics and think rationally. "Atlas Shrugged" is going to become reality.

    A military force to counter attacks? No, let's just be friends with our enemies and share a beer. They just want to be our buddies, i.e. the Muslim Brotherhood.

    This country is extremely divided and don't think our ongoing President will fix that because he has proven he doesn't care. He can't be bothered with addressing the nation from the Oval Office that he has not done once during his first term. He has vacations and golf to focus on, not the vitality of this country.

    I recognize this post professes negativity which is truly not me but there is no positiveness from last night's results. I am disheartened, but not shut down. Once we truly reach the "bottom" we will start anew. I, and many others erroneously presumed we were already at the "bottom" but I guess not yet, not yet.
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  • jc 2012/11/07 16:29:41
    Undecided
    jc
    +1
    We've been on this same road for the last 20 yrs.The puppet in the white house does not make too much of a difference.
  • Burning Bright Embers 2012/11/07 16:28:38
    Undecided
    Burning Bright Embers
    That would be easier to come back from than what Romney would plunge us into

  • doc moto 2012/11/07 16:27:16
    Undecided
    doc moto
    +1
    WHAT WE HAVE ARE TOO MANY RUNNING AROUND-THOSE THAT VOTED FOR O YOU KNOW THE ONE THAT BLAMES AND RUNS AROUND CAMPAIGNING---> http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • mk, Smartass Oracle 2012/11/07 16:26:34
  • irish 2012/11/07 16:21:07
    Undecided
    irish
    +1
    socialism? try fascism! either one would continue the slide into it!
  • Anonymouse ~superdoge~ 2012/11/07 16:20:30
    Undecided
    Anonymouse ~superdoge~
    +3
    I see the result as another indication that the American electoral system needs to change. Obama only got 1.5% more than Romney yet got 100 more electoral votes.
  • DuncanONeil 2012/11/07 16:20:13
    I agree ...
    DuncanONeil
    +2
    But that is really going to depend on the House.
    If the people smarten up there is still 2014.
  • jt DuncanO... 2012/11/07 16:21:51
    jt
    I agree with U... but as of now...
  • DuncanO... jt 2012/11/07 16:49:13
    DuncanONeil
    Kinda screwed!

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