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Why does the Catholic Church only push the abortion issue when denying Communion to politicians who vote against the church's teaching?
Bob™ the Union Ironworker November 23, 2009 15:19:56
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As a Catholic, I can understand the Church's position it is taking with Patrick Kennedy. I don't think they should use the sacraments to move a political agenda. Mr. Kennedy did not have an abortion or perform an abortion but that is the Bishops choice. But the Catholic Church has always opposed the death penalty. Why aren't they withholding communion from politicians that pursue this? They are opposed to war and the Pope has called the Iraq War an unjust War, why are the Conservative War mongers allow to go to communion? The church also supports Universal Health Care even as far as saying illegal aliens should be included? How many Republican Catholic Lawmakers voted against the health care bills?
I say we write the National Conference of Bishops and ask that these Republican Conservatives be denied Communion until they vote right on health care and the death penalty. With the hyde ammendment no federal money has gone for abortion since the 70's nor will it ever. Yet Federal money is used for capital punishment. Here is a list of Catholics in Congress and as the Party of no you know how they will vote on a final health care bill.
Senate Republicans: Sam Brownback, Kansas; Jim Bunning, Kentucky; Susan Collins, Maine; Mike Johanns, Nebraska; Mel Martinez, Florida; Lisa Murkowski, Alaska; Jim Risch, Idaho; David Vitter, Louisiana; and George Voinovich, Ohio.
House Republicans: Steve Austria, Ohio; Brian P. Bilbray, California; John Boehner, Ohio; Kevin Brady, Texas; Ginny Brown-Waite, Florida; David Camp, Michigan; Anh "Joseph" Cao, Louisiana; Michael N. Castle, Delaware; Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Florida; Mario Diaz-Balart, Florida; Jeff Fortenberry, Nebraska; Virginia Foxx, North Carolina; Phil Gingrey, Georgia; Walter B. Jones, North Carolina; Peter T. King, New York; Steve King, Iowa; Leonard Lance, New Jersey; and Bob Latta, Ohio.
Also, Frank A. LoBiondo, New Jersey; Blaine Luetkemeyer, Missouri; Daniel E. Lungren, California; Connie Mack IV, Florida; Michael T. McCaul, Texas; Thaddeus G. McCotter, Michigan; Patrick T. McHenry, North Carolina; John M. McHugh, New York; Tim Murphy, Pennsylvania; Devin Nunes, California; George Radanovich, California; Tom Rooney, Florida; Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Florida; Edward R. Royce, California; Paul Ryan, Wisconsin; Steve Scalise, Louisiana; Jean Schmidt, Ohio; Christopher H. Smith, New Jersey; John Sullivan, Oklahoma; and Patrick J. Tiberi, Ohio.
I say we write the National Conference of Bishops and ask that these Republican Conservatives be denied Communion until they vote right on health care and the death penalty. With the hyde ammendment no federal money has gone for abortion since the 70's nor will it ever. Yet Federal money is used for capital punishment. Here is a list of Catholics in Congress and as the Party of no you know how they will vote on a final health care bill.
Senate Republicans: Sam Brownback, Kansas; Jim Bunning, Kentucky; Susan Collins, Maine; Mike Johanns, Nebraska; Mel Martinez, Florida; Lisa Murkowski, Alaska; Jim Risch, Idaho; David Vitter, Louisiana; and George Voinovich, Ohio.
House Republicans: Steve Austria, Ohio; Brian P. Bilbray, California; John Boehner, Ohio; Kevin Brady, Texas; Ginny Brown-Waite, Florida; David Camp, Michigan; Anh "Joseph" Cao, Louisiana; Michael N. Castle, Delaware; Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Florida; Mario Diaz-Balart, Florida; Jeff Fortenberry, Nebraska; Virginia Foxx, North Carolina; Phil Gingrey, Georgia; Walter B. Jones, North Carolina; Peter T. King, New York; Steve King, Iowa; Leonard Lance, New Jersey; and Bob Latta, Ohio.
Also, Frank A. LoBiondo, New Jersey; Blaine Luetkemeyer, Missouri; Daniel E. Lungren, California; Connie Mack IV, Florida; Michael T. McCaul, Texas; Thaddeus G. McCotter, Michigan; Patrick T. McHenry, North Carolina; John M. McHugh, New York; Tim Murphy, Pennsylvania; Devin Nunes, California; George Radanovich, California; Tom Rooney, Florida; Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Florida; Edward R. Royce, California; Paul Ryan, Wisconsin; Steve Scalise, Louisiana; Jean Schmidt, Ohio; Christopher H. Smith, New Jersey; John Sullivan, Oklahoma; and Patrick J. Tiberi, Ohio.
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Do you even understand what "Papal Infallibility" means and where its applied?
NOTE: sasman is acoward..blocks me cause he is clueless on the subject
....................RELIGION IS POLITICS...........the two can't be separated, never was and never will be!
Maybe this chart will help you understand why Religion needs politics and its implied power to survive.
The church was never a source of enlightenment for all its scholarship. It is at the fore-front of thwarting advances in religion, science, the humanities.
The Church is run by mere mortals standing on documents, which have collected some much dust and debris it still clouds church thinking to this day.
Its voice has diminshed as the secular world advances and the church cries to its adherents to abide by principles no long able to withstand the torrent of ideas emanating outside of its control.
I hope they lose their nonprofit status. This is worse than lobbying.
I'll be honest, I don't go to church as often as I should. It's because I'm very picky about who I allow to be my shepherd. All shepherds aren't "chosen." Some are even wolves in SHEPERDS clothing. But this past Sunday, the minister spoke on the purpose of the church. I must say, I completely agreed with him. The purpose of the church is to go out and preach the gospel to bring people to Christ/God, to save souls. I hate to see ANY religious figure use their influence to bully people and for political grand standing.
Absolutely NOT true
"Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty"
http://www.vatican.va/archive...
http://www.vatican.va/archive...
The Pope's Statement
While the vast majority of U.S. Catholics support capital punishment, Pope John Paul II has declared the Church's near total opposition to the death penalty. In his encyclical "Evangelium Vitae" (The Gospel of Life) issued March 25, 1995 after four years of consultations with the world's Roman Catholic bishops, John Paul II wrote that execution is only appropriate "in cases of absolute necessity, in other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society. Today, however, as a result of steady immprovement in the organization of the penal system, such cases are very rare, if not practically nonexistent." Until this encyclical, the death penalty was viewed as sometimes permissible as a means of protecting society. The universal catechism--book of rules--for Catholics had affirmed the right of the state to punish criminals with appropriate penalties "not excluding in cases of extreme gravity, the death penalty."
From Para. 56 of Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life), an encyclical letter on various threats to human life which Pope John Paul II issued on March 25, 1995.
"This is the context in which to place the problem of the death penalty. On this matter there is a growing tendency, both in the Church and ...
The Pope's Statement
While the vast majority of U.S. Catholics support capital punishment, Pope John Paul II has declared the Church's near total opposition to the death penalty. In his encyclical "Evangelium Vitae" (The Gospel of Life) issued March 25, 1995 after four years of consultations with the world's Roman Catholic bishops, John Paul II wrote that execution is only appropriate "in cases of absolute necessity, in other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society. Today, however, as a result of steady immprovement in the organization of the penal system, such cases are very rare, if not practically nonexistent." Until this encyclical, the death penalty was viewed as sometimes permissible as a means of protecting society. The universal catechism--book of rules--for Catholics had affirmed the right of the state to punish criminals with appropriate penalties "not excluding in cases of extreme gravity, the death penalty."
From Para. 56 of Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life), an encyclical letter on various threats to human life which Pope John Paul II issued on March 25, 1995.
"This is the context in which to place the problem of the death penalty. On this matter there is a growing tendency, both in the Church and in civil society, to demand that it be applied in a very limited way or even that it be abolished completely. The problem must be viewed in the context of a system of penal justice ever more in line with human dignity and thus, in the end, with God's plan for man and society. The primary purpose of the punishment which society inflicts is "to redress the disorder caused by the offence."(46) Public authority must redress the violation of personal and social rights by imposing on the offender an adequate punishment for the crime, as a condition for the offender to regain the exercise of his or her freedom. In this way authority also fulfills the purpose of defending public order and ensuring people's safety, while at the same time offering the offender an incentive and help to change his or her behaviour and be rehabilitated.(47)
It is clear that, for these purposes to be achieved, the nature and extent of the punishment must be carefully evaluated and decided upon, and ought not go to the extreme of executing the offender except in cases of absolute necessity: in other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society. Today however, as a result of steady improvements in the organization of the penal system, such cases are very rare, if not practically non-existent.
In any event, the principle set forth in the new Catechism of the Catholic Church remains valid: 'If bloodless means are sufficient to defend human lives against an aggressor and to protect public order and the safety of persons, public authority must limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.'
Abortion has always been morally wrong no matter what the circumstance unlike the Death penalty
I go back to your original mis-information " But the Catholic Church has always opposed the death penalty. "
clearly untrue, even to the most undereducated
I feel everyone should follow their own beliefs. If you don't believe in abortion, don't do it! But, don't chastise people who NEED another CHOICE! Don't impose your "holier than thou" message on all. Die if you want, but if you want to live...that should be your CHOICE!
I raved you just because I would like you to see this, and think about it. Not because I agree with you. (At least the latter half of your statement
How else do you become the wealthiest principality ever on the face of the Earth?
Because this is the "thin end of the wedge"
If you let people break one rule, they might dare to break others. Or question the need for the religion at all, when they notice that others live decent, worthwhile, loving lives without it. Cheers.