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Is Christianity Good For the World?
jt November 27, 2009 19:49:21
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Hitchens describes himself not so much as an atheist, but an "anti-theist." He explains more about that in the program.
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How do you explain the systematic destruction of writings they disagreed with, like those hypothesising atomic structure? You know, all the stuff they destroyed, and we only got access to when we translated it from Arabic?
If you know your great "Christian" thinkers, then you know how unorthodox many were, to the point of being rather rebellious and even anti-religious in what they did and thought.
"it was in Christian Europe that modern science had its greatest advances,"
Coincidence, and usually accomplished in the face of active opposition from the church on vital topics like heliocentrality, germ theory, evolution, etc.
Here's a link to an article you can read http://www.lewrockwell.com/wo... , and I also recommend a book "Those Terrible Middle Ages!" by Regine Pernoud.
I majored in history at the University of Texas at Austin, and I took medieval history from a decidedly anti-Christian professor, yet what I learned in that class was that the Catholic ...
Here's a link to an article you can read http://www.lewrockwell.com/wo... , and I also recommend a book "Those Terrible Middle Ages!" by Regine Pernoud.
I majored in history at the University of Texas at Austin, and I took medieval history from a decidedly anti-Christian professor, yet what I learned in that class was that the Catholic Church preserved the knowledge of the Greeks and Romans, founded universities and hospitals, encouraged the development of art and architecture, etc. In short, it built European civilization. Maybe you should study history from a more objective point of view.
"Can you please provide evidence of "systematic destruction" of things they "disagreed" with?"
Read a bit more about the period, and the role the Christian church had in doing so. It sounds like you have an interest in history, so read about the role of the Chrisitan church in the suppression of knowledge. It's not like I have an unusual opinion on this. The church's role is hunting down any Greek writing on "atomism" is well known. Only one copy of "De Rerum Natura (The Nature of Things)" survived the censors of the church. Some might call that a "miracle". The greatest book burnings in history were done in the 4th Century, when Christianity achieved power in the Roman Empire. This isn't a secret, it's well-known and widely documented.
Like you, I don't type out or photocopy every book I read just to answer future internet requests for documentation. It's unreasonable to expect people to do so for every situation.
"How do you explain the survival of Plato's works when some of his philosophical ideas were not accepted by the Church but rather Aristotle's?"
Obviously their attempts at censorship failed in some cases. Many which existed beyond the reach of Christianity survived.
"And not all of Aristotle's ideas were accepted, but the ones that were true"
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"Can you please provide evidence of "systematic destruction" of things they "disagreed" with?"
Read a bit more about the period, and the role the Christian church had in doing so. It sounds like you have an interest in history, so read about the role of the Chrisitan church in the suppression of knowledge. It's not like I have an unusual opinion on this. The church's role is hunting down any Greek writing on "atomism" is well known. Only one copy of "De Rerum Natura (The Nature of Things)" survived the censors of the church. Some might call that a "miracle". The greatest book burnings in history were done in the 4th Century, when Christianity achieved power in the Roman Empire. This isn't a secret, it's well-known and widely documented.
Like you, I don't type out or photocopy every book I read just to answer future internet requests for documentation. It's unreasonable to expect people to do so for every situation.
"How do you explain the survival of Plato's works when some of his philosophical ideas were not accepted by the Church but rather Aristotle's?"
Obviously their attempts at censorship failed in some cases. Many which existed beyond the reach of Christianity survived.
"And not all of Aristotle's ideas were accepted, but the ones that were true"
"True" and "true in my opinion" do not necessarily mean the same thing.
"Not all the great Christian thinkers were unorthodox."
I didn't claim they all were
"but he proposed it as a theory not insisting it be presented as fact"
You obviously don't know what "theory" means, so I will help you. I hope this is helpful:
Fact: something we can observe or measure.
Hypothesis: proposed explanation of how a bunch of facts fit together. Some hypotheses fail. Those that don't graduate to the status of . . .
Theory: a hypothesis which has proven to work, and to successfully predict. There is no single instance in which it fails to work when tested. If it does, it becomes a failed hypothesis.
People who don't understand what these words mean often think that a "fact" is higher than a theory. It is precisely the opposite. A theory is the highest level that a scientific explanation can be.
Scientific theories are both fact and explanation.
There is no university class on "Atomic Fact". Chemists learn "Atomic Theory". We study "Germ Theory" in medical departments, the "Theory of Gravity" in physics departments, and "Plate Tectonic Theory" in Geology departments. The Theory of Evolution will never "graduate" into the Fact of Evolution. It is already fact.
"Maybe you should study history from a more objective point of view."
That's great advice. I find that most people who are religious are unable to follow it, because they are unable to suspend their emotional attachment to their religion when studying, or even discussing, anything to do with it. Cheers.
Then feel free to delve back into it.
I find it odd talking about "secular" universities or profs, because that's what all universities and profs should be. Mine was, but that's the norm in Canada.
I took Medieval History (I think it was 130), in first year of my History degree. After that I took a few 200 level medieval history courses. The one on Celtic and Anglo-Saxon Britain was amazing. I must say, I think I should have done a more practical degree, and just read history on the side. Oh well.
Learning doesn't end when you leave university!
As to my examples, one is a nation in which Christianity has and had zero role in the development of the society (Japan), and the other is a nation in which the collapse of Christianity has been shown to be an irrelevant faction in the society (Sweden).
My point, which is that without the influence of Christianity evil would run amok, is still valid.
What nonsense. Christianity is dying (not growing) in Europe, North America, and Aus/NZ, and it's not because of government conspiracies. It's because of tolerance and education.
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The second issue is easy to fix too - if you don't want state money, then opt out of state standards and schools. Again, big deal.
And in the third issue, Christians are upset that they are losing the "right" to hate gays. Again, I'm not sure that saddens me.
And let's look at this in the context of Swedish society. Christians there are now down to about 15% of the population. Immigration is increasing. So it seems logical to me that setting precedents for Christianity in Sweden is very important, so those same standards can be enforced on Islam. I'd like to read about these issues from a neutral source though, not from one as biased as this one is. Cheers.