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Copenhagen summit: It’s money that matters in the backroom talks?

Javimendo December 01, 2009 17:35:04

Why settle for a slice of the economic pie when you can get 1% of the world’s GNP for saving your own life?

We’ve all heard how the planet is doomed to catastrophic events of Biblical proportions because of human recklessness and greed, i.e., Western capitalists. (Pay no attention to the CRU scientists behind the curtain.) The big climate conclave is about to begin in Copenhagen. Despite the fact—don’t you dare try to deny it—that poorer nations will suffer most from climate change, they are holding out on an agreement to save the planet for the other precious green—money. Lots of it and paid upfront. There will be a bunch of financiers and industrialists looking to make some green too.

Copenhagen summit: It’s money that matters in the backroom talks

Vast sums will be needed to lubricate the settlement rich and poor nations must achieve to combat global warming. John Vidal considers the prospect of the biggest transfer of funds in history.

Ecology and morals count in the public arena, but as the negotiations progress and world leaders arrive to take the stage, money will dominate the backroom talks. It is likely to be the deal maker or breaker. Copenhagen may lead over the next 20 years to the largest transfer of money in history from the global north to the south, dwarfing the amount that developing countries now receive in aid.

Industrialists, financiers, bankers, business groups and carbon traders know there is much more in play at the Danish capital than a concern for the health of the planet. They all have a stake in the decisions made and see climate change as the driver of a global energy revolution and the chance to trade in technologies that could shift the world economy.

The developing countries have listened and learned from the bailouts and health care politics.

…developing countries say that rich countries must contribute at least 1% of their GNP by 2020. It’s not much, they argue, compared to what was found to stave off a global recession, and nothing at all compared to the eventual likely costs of ignoring climate change altogether.

But the total on the table is just one source of the deadlock. Rich countries insist that any money raised for climate adaptation or mitigation be channelled through the World Bank or the Global Environmental Facility. But these two New York-based institutions are perceived to be controlled by the rich. Instead, poor countries want a separate climate adaptation fund which would be administered by the UN. This they say, would give them an equal voice on how the money is spent.

With only a few days’ negotiating time left before the politicians arrive in Copenhagen, it is extremely unlikely that any financial agreement will be reached except on the broadest of principles. The danger is that the negotiations on who pays what to whom will not just stretch into next year, but will become intractable ‑ a cheque that never gets signed.

So is this the way the world ends, greed infects the poor and dooms the planet sickened by the greed of the rich? The history of the human race from the Garden of Eden to Tivoli Gardens. That would be Biblical.

How curious that it comes down to haggling over money, especially when the holdouts demanding money are the ones who will presumably suffer the most from climate change devastation. But no time to think about such things. We have to hurry and pay the Maldives 1% of the world’s GNP to keep polar bears off our front porches.

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  • +11 Friday December 01, 2009 17:46:24 (edited)
    Friday
    It's all about OUR money! Barry may commit 10 billion of our dollars to support this World wide HOAX!! The "Warmers" have been "outed" and Barry can't risk admitting it YET!! Our President will sell us down the Al Gore drain on this one! Folks, this is the TURD HERD in action, poop on the people! sell al gore drain folks turd herd actions poop people
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  • +1
    Danno_a_Jyd December 02, 2009 19:47:43
    Danno_a_Jyd
  • +1
    TisMe December 02, 2009 08:14:30
    TisMe
    During Obama's attended Summits this year, I'm one of those people who firmly believe specific world leaders (US included) wish to accomplish a New World Order by design, which I have no interest being drawn into. Nor do I embellish being used, robbed, lied to, and manipulated by this government. As a whole, the representation stinks. My heart just isn't into Communism.

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  • +1
    wtw December 02, 2009 06:23:05
    wtw
    It was always about redistribution of wealth and not about global warming.
  • +1
    retarded idiot December 02, 2009 01:33:46
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    TisMe retarde... December 02, 2009 08:26:27
    TisMe
    I heard Lord Christopher on Glenn Becks Show a month or so back, and I really listened. The other guest said if Obama signed the Copenhagen Treaty, it must be approved by Congress; Lord Christopher disagreed. However, on another show, a week or so later, the commentator indicated China told Obama not to sign. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
  • +1
    texasred December 02, 2009 00:03:27
    texasred
    Oh yeah, and once again America will foot the bill for those that hate us and would love to see us on our knees. Well, not to worry. With Obama in charge, we're almost there.
  • +1
    Southern Lady Anita December 01, 2009 23:41:14
    Southern Lady Anita
    Money has been what it's all about. We will pay dearly for these cons and their hoax!
    money pay dearly cons hoax
  • +3
    Charon December 01, 2009 23:29:18
    Charon
  • +4
    me December 01, 2009 23:22:08
    me
    Another bunch of crap that will cost us money with nothing in return. And so the rich get richer - and don't swallow that crap that Republicans are the only rich people. Democrats right now have more money and access to more money than anybody. Too bad they don't know how to spend it wisely.
  • +3
    12 Tone Melody December 01, 2009 22:50:05
    12 Tone Melody
  • Wild Horses December 01, 2009 20:48:39
  • dfgsdgr December 01, 2009 19:37:07
    dfgsdgr
    moderated...
  • Covert Guy December 01, 2009 18:47:13 (edited)
    Covert Guy
    Your just NOW finding out that the human animal is the most greedy animal of this planet. This is the way of the world, has been for over a thousand years, because people will never pull together and change it, nobody want's to change the order of things. We keep making these greedy minded people our leaders over, and over again, because they give us some of their scraps, and we like it, we put up with it like cowering dogs with our tails between our legs.

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    WE THE PEOPLE
  • +7
    chas December 01, 2009 18:35:00
    chas
    WEALTH redistribution is NOT neccessary. Less-developed nations would be better off if they were rid of thier authoritarian RULERS (dictators). Global-warming was a farce, weather is all CYCLICAL.
  • +5
    birdman December 01, 2009 18:26:24
    birdman
    Its all about power, money and control.
  • +1
    phoenix birdman December 01, 2009 22:52:38
    phoenix
    You rite, birdman... The Golden Rule... whoever has the gold, rules.... lol
  • +5
    Bondservant1958 December 01, 2009 18:24:15
    Bondservant1958



    A 21st Century Psalm

    December 7th is coming fast
    We must act, before Copenhagen is passed
    If that Treaty is law I guarantee
    Another occurrence of infamy
    As they strip away democracy


    We wish to debate the natural state
    It was warm for awhile, but cold as of late
    The scientist tried to hide the decline
    Deny debate through deceit and design
    The science was settled and the data deleted
    All opposition was effectively defeated
    From checking the facts, and results repeated
    Who could prove the science was cheated
    Man Made Global Warming is a lie
    The CRU e-mails and codes do testify
    The purpose, a Carbon Debt to apply
    Kiss your money, technology and freedom goodbye


    The silence is deafening across the land
    As the revelations the public now understands
    The weathers a carrot meant to disguise
    A corrupt agenda before our eyes
    And now we see light shining in Truth
    Politicians, media, and search engines declare moot
    You can glimpse the extent of the hypocrisy
    In how they declare there is nothing to see
    So much for transparency



    Climategate Googlegate Copenhagengate
    Who gave you permission to decide our fate?
    Censoring discussion denying debate
    The Spirit of Truth you desecrate
    In all debate Truth intervenes
    Asks does the end justify the means?
    Demands that honesty remains supreme
    T...



    A 21st Century Psalm

    December 7th is coming fast
    We must act, before Copenhagen is passed
    If that Treaty is law I guarantee
    Another occurrence of infamy
    As they strip away democracy


    We wish to debate the natural state
    It was warm for awhile, but cold as of late
    The scientist tried to hide the decline
    Deny debate through deceit and design
    The science was settled and the data deleted
    All opposition was effectively defeated
    From checking the facts, and results repeated
    Who could prove the science was cheated
    Man Made Global Warming is a lie
    The CRU e-mails and codes do testify
    The purpose, a Carbon Debt to apply
    Kiss your money, technology and freedom goodbye


    The silence is deafening across the land
    As the revelations the public now understands
    The weathers a carrot meant to disguise
    A corrupt agenda before our eyes
    And now we see light shining in Truth
    Politicians, media, and search engines declare moot
    You can glimpse the extent of the hypocrisy
    In how they declare there is nothing to see
    So much for transparency



    Climategate Googlegate Copenhagengate
    Who gave you permission to decide our fate?
    Censoring discussion denying debate
    The Spirit of Truth you desecrate
    In all debate Truth intervenes
    Asks does the end justify the means?
    Demands that honesty remains supreme
    That commitments aren’t made on fraudulent schemes.




    It’s time for the passive acceptance to end
    It’s time to stand for freedom as free men
    It’s time to expose the lies and deceit
    It’s time to take it to the streets
    Do not commit sedition do not get jailed
    Non-Violent revolutions do not fail
    The voice of the Prophets, Gandhi and King
    Are calling for you to get marching

    Or just sit back and take the vaccine.





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  • +6
    Widoe December 01, 2009 18:09:41
    Widoe
    OK, peeps. Is everyone aware that that bright thing in the center of our little acre of the universe is a star? Does everyone know what all stars do, eventually? They go boom. Now, I'm not saying trash the planet in a wild orgy of who gives a crap, we're all doomed anyway, but can we stop using made up planetary crises to suck money out of hardworking people and transfer it to highly connected academics and former politicians?
  • +5
    proudto... Widoe December 01, 2009 20:15:50
    proudtobeanAmerican
    Really! They are extremely arrogant, stupid or greedy to think we the little people of the universe can change Natural Law.
  • +8
    Pegasis December 01, 2009 17:56:42
    Pegasis
    I WANT a polar bear on my front porch! How cool would that be?

    Here is the goofy part. The west is told to hand the cash over. No threats, no blackmail, no wars. Just, "Give it to us!" and we with our nutty president will do so? Never mind our economy? Our people? Our needs?

    Go fiigure.
  • +5
    Widoe Pegasis December 01, 2009 18:12:19
    Widoe
    Our economy? Our needs? They don't count, remember? We're the richest nation on the planet, it just isn't fair that we have so much of the wealth. We won't miss it, we don't need it.
    And polar bears are MEAN, MEAN, MEAN. I don't want one on my front porch. A koala bear, maybe!
  • +8
    Racefish December 01, 2009 17:54:45
    Racefish
    I'd like to know what they consider as "suffering" from "Global Warming". The thing is, if temperatures go up, there's less need for heating oil. If there are more rain-storms, less need for water rationing.
    What's going to happen in the Sahara? Is it going to rain or get hotter? It's not the hottest place on earth anyway, that's in Death Valley.
    Are they trying to bring the "Third World" countries up to the living standards of the West? If so, get rid of the two bit war lords, dictators, religious fanatics, and give them free market ideals.
    What would they do in Somalia? How are they going to get all of the two bit warlords to stop raiding and killing each other?
    We all know the truth behind this, it's not because of any proven science, it's a proven fraud perpetuated for the sole purpose of blackmailing western countries for some unknown purpose.
    Who are the people who are actually going to benefit?
    Al Gore to begin with. So far, he's made a fictional movie based on theatrical trick and loaded with lies. His future income will be from the software his investment in a software company. This company has developed a program to track financial transfers from the Cap and Trade bills already worming their destructive way through Congress.
    Follow the money.
  • +2
    Jay DeSoto Racefish December 01, 2009 21:31:29
    Jay DeSoto
    The two bit warlords, dictators, and religious fanatics, were instrumental in getting Obama elected. The money from copenhagen falls straight into their hands, the way Obama wants it.
  • +3
    Racefish Jay DeSoto December 01, 2009 22:21:58
    Racefish
    That's what needs to be stopped.
  • +1
    phoenix Racefish December 01, 2009 22:58:21
    phoenix
    Hear, hear, racefish. This treaty will trash our constitution and break this country finanacially. Funny how some of these '3rd world countries' with their collective hands trying to get in our pockets, .. China, India etc, are some of the biggest polluters on the planet !!! Makes us look like pikers by comparison.
  • +6
    Dwight Mann December 01, 2009 17:46:35
    Dwight Mann
    It is another transfer of wealth and power,compliments of some nefarious bankers that benefit from this scheme, and the NWO. It is an agenda that should not be allowed with out a concrete plan. I do not give my money away to something that is not even scientifically established yet. The IMF, the NWO, the CFR, The Bilderburgs are all complicit in this scheme, and we need to stop them. The internet has torn their covers to shreds and their program has been exposed. They will stop at nothing to get the itinerary implemented. . .

    complicit scheme internet torn covers shreds program exposed itinerary implemented
  • +11
    Friday December 01, 2009 17:46:24 (edited)
    Friday
    It's all about OUR money! Barry may commit 10 billion of our dollars to support this World wide HOAX!! The "Warmers" have been "outed" and Barry can't risk admitting it YET!! Our President will sell us down the Al Gore drain on this one! Folks, this is the TURD HERD in action, poop on the people! sell al gore drain folks turd herd actions poop people
  • +3
    phoenix Friday December 01, 2009 23:02:52 (edited)
    phoenix
    If Obama signs this treaty and the Senate ratifies it with 2/3 votes, it cannot be repealed and will override our Constitution. We will owe billions we don't have to countries, most of whom don't have stable governments, that hate us & would love to see us fall. We will have no sayso over how the money is spent and we will answer to the UN who will moniter us and dictate to us !! In addition, we can be held liable & responsible for every natural disaster that happens that 'they' can ascribe to climate change or global warming. This treaty is an abomination... a monstrosity !!
  • +3
    Friday phoenix December 01, 2009 23:32:17
    Friday
    Also, now that the mask has been ripped from the face of this Global Warming Hoax we are at risk that Obama will authorize the signing to fulfill his perceived divine destiny to destroy America from within! This could be the tipping point that brings down the hammer on Obama and the anti-American Libs of the Turd Herd! We live in very dangerous times!! Thanks for your comments!
  • +3
    phoenix Friday December 01, 2009 23:36:30
    phoenix
    yw, Friday and you are SO right about this being the possible tipping point. We are a breath away from a financial meltdown now. Oblabla should be holding the course, encouraging, being an example of fiscal conservatism and not spending OUR monies. Instead, he seems determined to break us & this country. A beaten, broken people are more malleable, I guess, than angry, gun-toting citizens...
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