I don't hate "liberals", I actually agree with them about some thngs, for example, Capital Punishment and "choice" (the latter to a limited degree). I&#... I don't hate "liberals", I actually agree with them about some thngs, for example, Capital Punishment and "choice" (the latter to a limited degree). I'm not a neo-Con nor Republican. I even work for a company which I think one of the Climate Change Coalition, which wants to impose this crap on the US and other places. So I have no financial interest in preventing this crap, quite the contrary.

I have a problem with junk science and Big Brother worship. I don't love Big brother. Oh well.

Fact of the matter is, most of the money that supports "Global Warming" also comes from private sources, mainly large business interests which want to rape the average citizen. Nice to see that you're in such good company.... with David Rockefeller, Maurice Strong and a host of other Elites who want to bring the average European and American to their knees for easier control.

So be glad - you've proven that you do love Big Brother, to the point that you're following Pretzel Logic to get to Utopia.

Tell me true - did they promise you a post in the Green Utopia, or do you get a merit badge entitling you to a free one week vacation per year? Or are you doing it so that you feel better about yourself, in your own goodness? (more)

First thing.... there is a logical fallacy called "Argument from Authority". You're doing it right now.

Second, follow the money....

"... First thing.... there is a logical fallacy called "Argument from Authority". You're doing it right now.

Second, follow the money....

"This work was supported in part by grants from the Office of Science of the U.S. Dept. of Energy, and by the industrial and foundation sponsors of the MIT Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change."

You think that the latter would allow data that challenged their mission to see the light of day? Maybe the "skeptics" are bought off but not the proponents? (more)

So you have links, sites, telling us what a normal rate of a glacier melting is? You know this over thousands and thousands of years, of glaciers where people have never been ... So you have links, sites, telling us what a normal rate of a glacier melting is? You know this over thousands and thousands of years, of glaciers where people have never been until very recently, Antarctica, for example.

I for one would like to know what "normal" rates of glacier melting are, and where did you learn such a thing? The world has had how many Ice Ages in the last four billion years?


What else might cause this, if it's true? At least two competing theories for "Climate change" have arisen.

One suggests that solar activity is a strong driver of climate. The sun certainly is not consistent, even children know that the earth's Sun is capable of changing outputs over time.

During the "Little Ice Age" an effect was noted, known as the "Maunder Minimum", where sunspots were not seen on the sun. http://www.john-daly.com/sola... Dr. Dr Theodor Landscheidt is a controversial figure, among other things he was an astrologer. However he has been published in peer reviewed journals for his climatology work.

Apparently NASA agrees to a point... (You'll need microsoft word or a reader to see this one).. http://www.spaceandscience.ne... A second theory suggests that cosmic radiation is interacting with the atmosphere on its outer boundaries, causing it to have differing abilities to reflect light and thus moderates the ability of the atmosphere to accept the sun's rays or changes how long wave radiation is released back into space. http://physicaplus.org.il/zop... Recently an EPA Economist, who admits that he's not a scientist but is a skillful researcher about product safety (he was a big believer in seat belts, hardly the mark of a right wing extremist) released such a survey of alternatives at the request of his superiors. Not long before the vote on Waxman-Markley he was asked to start a new project before he completed this one. http://carlineconomics.google... http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/... Where does this all lead - apparently the scientific theory of human caused climate change has not been settled and may even be false.

I don't know the exact time that the little ice age ended. (more)

Thanks for the links...

Here's a good quote that shows how far off into the weeds these "Scientists" have ended up...

"These are computer-based mathematica... Thanks for the links...

Here's a good quote that shows how far off into the weeds these "Scientists" have ended up...

"These are computer-based mathematical models which simulate, in three dimensions, the climate's behavior, its components and their interactions. Climate models are constantly improving based on both our understanding and the increase in computer power, though by definition, a computer model is a simplification and simulation of reality, meaning that it is an approximation of the climate system." http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/c... This is bullshit. Plain and simple. A computer model is a model, not a "simulation of reality". Any undergrad Physics student knows this for a fact.

Alas, these "models" are the bedrock of the false religion of "Global Warming Believers", who have turned the natural joy of science into a new religion, one that is subsidized by greedy Corporations, for example, the US Climate Action Partnership, a coalition of US businesses which seek to rape US taxpayers by using the false dogma of "Climate change" to achieve more $$$$$. (more)

Red Meat for Left Wing Meatheads.

We can vote against Obama in 2010 - we can vote out his pet Congress which is enabling his non-sense.

He can spend the next two years issuing Executive Orders which... We can vote against Obama in 2010 - we can vote out his pet Congress which is enabling his non-sense.

He can spend the next two years issuing Executive Orders which will be ridiculed online. (more)

Correlation is not causation. The glaciers could be melting for any number of reasons having nothing to do with carbon dioxide production by human beings.

Correlatio... Correlation is not causation. The glaciers could be melting for any number of reasons having nothing to do with carbon dioxide production by human beings.

Correlation is playing bongo drums during a solar eclipse and the event ends.

Causation is when you smother a candle with a glass jar and it goes out, or you drop a stone and it accelerates at a rate no greater than 32 feet per second per second.

I want to see data that links the change in "average global temperatures" (that is, an average based upon samples take around the globe and one cycle of seasons) with changes in the emissivity of the Earth AND that excludes causes such as changes in the sun's output.

See, the problem I have with a lot of this "Science" is that Earth just came out of a "mini Ice age". There were Viking Settlements in Greenland, which became far too cold to remain. There were also food shortages in Europe.

Since the Romans didn't have coal fired power plants and SUVs I'm feeling a bit skeptical that once their empire fell so did the Earth's temperature" and that once the "industrial revolution began" that the earth's temperature came right back up again.

What you're showing me is interesting but no more germane than me discussing recent history. I'm not the one who wants to tax the average American into penury - you are. So it's on you to justify this crap. (more)

This is horseshit, pure and simple. The Democrats pass this one and within a few years it'll be as dead as the ABM treaty.

I think if W Bush should be investigated for war crimes so should Bill Clinton for what happened in Serbia.

Where's the data?

If Bush's policies were so "horrible" why hasn't Obama reversed any of them?

Why is the US still in Iraq and Afghanistan? Why is the US rebuilding its nuclear stoc... If Bush's policies were so "horrible" why hasn't Obama reversed any of them?

Why is the US still in Iraq and Afghanistan? Why is the US rebuilding its nuclear stockpile? Why did the US allow NATO to have military exercises in Georgia, a nation which invaded Southern Ossetia and Abkhasia last year?

You put a lot of stake on talking.... and not much on doing. Kind of like your hero, Barack Hussein Obama.

Talk is cheap. Keep that in mind when Barry and the Jets lose the Congress next year because of their Statist bullcrap - quite possibly to the Neo-Con trash who helped get us into this jam in the first place. (more)

I think that a world leader ought to do something more than give speeches or make science fiction movies to get a Nobel Prize.

There were some good people who were ... I think that a world leader ought to do something more than give speeches or make science fiction movies to get a Nobel Prize.

There were some good people who were passed over this year, including two Chinese Dissidents and a Physician who build a hospital for the poor in the Congo. I think that someone who actually DOES SOMETHING deserves more than a freshman President. (more)

Considering that it's against the US Constitution to accept awards given by Foreign Governments maybe that would outrage some people in the US.

Then again, the US Con... Considering that it's against the US Constitution to accept awards given by Foreign Governments maybe that would outrage some people in the US.

Then again, the US Constitution is a "Victorian Document' written by white slave owners, so we ought to just ignore it, except when it's convenient to bash the heads of Neo-Cons and other "anti-Progressives". (more)

If I had one bit of advice for kids today it would be not to be too harsh with shy kids. Don't assume because they're "good looking" or "smart" that they're "stuck up". No one ... If I had one bit of advice for kids today it would be not to be too harsh with shy kids. Don't assume because they're "good looking" or "smart" that they're "stuck up". No one ever sees themselves through other people's eyes.

Some of them are bashful, while others are very self conscious of their looks. Some come from homes with abusive parents who grind them down.

They'd probably appreciate a haven from their so called families. They might even be the best friend you ever had in your life. (more)

By the way, which House Bill?

Is this the version which will become law? All Amendments are forbidden at this point? No changes during the House-Senate conciliat... By the way, which House Bill?

Is this the version which will become law? All Amendments are forbidden at this point? No changes during the House-Senate conciliation?

If you cannot answer "yes" to the previous three questions then we're discussing some legislation and not a proposed law. (more)

Wal-Mart is going along with it because they're the largest Corp in the US. "Progressives" citing their participation or endorsement is the apex of cynicism.

Mandati... Wal-Mart is going along with it because they're the largest Corp in the US. "Progressives" citing their participation or endorsement is the apex of cynicism.

Mandating "coverage" for all employees will hurt part time workers and increase layoffs as business seek to cut fixed costs. Even a child could understand this point and only cake eaters, Progressive Office Workers, Democratic Party Operatives with full time jobs and others of their ilk would ignore this point. (more)

When Gore got the Prize for making a Science Fiction film I figured that the Committee had some bizarre thought processes.

Now that a President in his first term, w... When Gore got the Prize for making a Science Fiction film I figured that the Committee had some bizarre thought processes.

Now that a President in his first term, who has done some pretty provocative things to Russia and Iran, and who hasn't withdrawn from either Iraq or Afghanistan, is showing some pretty stupid thinking.

I take some comfort from the fact that the average American doesn't care about Nobel Prizes but does watch what people do. So they are not going to suddenly want "Cap and Trade", "Health Care" and other Socialist claptrap because Obama got a prize. (more)

So.....

You think that holding NATO exercises in Georgia, rebuilding the US nuclear weapons stockpile, adding 40,000 troops to the Afghanistan quagmire, threatening I... So.....

You think that holding NATO exercises in Georgia, rebuilding the US nuclear weapons stockpile, adding 40,000 troops to the Afghanistan quagmire, threatening Iran, and interfering with the internal affairs of Honduras are examples of promoting "good international relations"?

Even if Bush was the anti-Christ I think that the above deeds clearly point out the actions of a President who is not interested in peace.

I think, to be fair minded about this, the Committee should have waited another year, just to see if Obama actually did get the US out of Iraq and Afghanistan, quit meddling in the affairs of our poorer neighbors to the south, and maybe did more than talk about nuclear stockpile buildowns.

I don't think I'm being that unreasonable to insist that some deeds accompany a few speeches..... (more)

Some of the past peace prizes were very sharp people. Linus Pauling comes to mind.

Psuedo-scientists like Gaia's High Priest, Al Gore, have tainted the worth of th... Some of the past peace prizes were very sharp people. Linus Pauling comes to mind.

Psuedo-scientists like Gaia's High Priest, Al Gore, have tainted the worth of the prize.

I wonder if someone bribed the Nobel Prize Committee for this year's award? Gotta wonder. (more)