Thanks! They are my passion. I do have to many! I am amazed my wife loves me as to my being at the range. West End GC!

You are wrong on the forefathers. All were theists and most were very religious.

I didn't say they were not religious. hell they used "One nation under god"...But they built this nation based on secularism

>>No, the Euros just changed their religion. They are religious zealots.<<

Changed their religion? i don't know what you mean by that but in modern west religion has been out of politics for quite sometimes. And there are only a handful of religious groups.

>>Well having had the chance to live in Sweden, I assure you they are not better off. Need proof? Where are the tens of millions of illegal immigrants streaming into Sweden?<<

I don't know where you lived in sweden but my visit their showed me nothing but modern great society. The immigration problem is due to their laxed policies in the dept.

>>Actually w. Europe is highly intolerant of people that disagree with the state religion of environmentalism.<<

where the hell do you pull this crap from? After 4 years of living in western europe it's amazing to see how people love to make stuff about it.



>>Strange that you would focus on the Scandinavian countries of Iceland, Sweden and Denmark.

Do you have to be nordic to do socialism 'properly'?

I also find it amusing that you pick countries who total population combined does not equal the population of California. I wonder why you don't compare a similar sized country like Brazil. Would you consider the secular socialists of Brazil more civilized than the USA? If not, why not?<<

Ok here is more: france, Germany, Austria...It's not fault that Scandinavians have managed to better and evolve their socities for sake of their people's welfare.

And Brazil is considered a developing 3rd world country. So, no. I don't see the need to involve them.

>And by the way i think liberals have handed the right's ass to it so... prevail. ^_^

We shall see...right loons will probably elect another freak in 8 years and not only stop the development but make us backpedal as well.

Hey Art! :) Just wanted to drop by and say hello! :) Have a wonderful evening! :)

Have a beautiful weekend, Art! xoxo

Yes, a bold avatar indeed.

11-04-08 was a catalyst for alot of people

Thx. wish I had found this site a long time ago. Also, thanks for cranking up my raves.