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Your only two choices on Medicare, protect Medicare with Romney/Ryan, or raid Medicare with obama/biden

☆astac☆ 2012/08/30 03:06:06
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obama has raided Medicare by the tune of 716 BILLION Dollars.
So the choice is simple, protect Medicare with Romney/Ryan, or raid it with obama/biden.
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  • ☆astac☆ taitaFa... 2012/09/04 02:38:02
    ☆astac☆
    You do not have facts, all you have are lies
  • taitaFa... ☆astac☆ 2012/09/04 02:42:37
    taitaFalcon23
    ok, let's test the theory - ask me something...
  • ☆astac☆ rightside 2012/09/05 02:46:17
    ☆astac☆
    +1
    He has nothing
  • rightside ☆astac☆ 2012/09/05 03:07:03
    rightside
    +1
    Yeah, lots of talk..
  • ☆astac☆ taitaFa... 2012/09/05 02:46:04
    ☆astac☆
    obama and the democrats just stole 716 billion from medicare.
    obamacare rations care, also know as death panels
  • taitaFa... rightside 2012/09/02 19:55:38
  • rightside taitaFa... 2012/09/02 19:58:14
    rightside
    +1
    Did you read what you sent? May want to take another look.
  • taitaFa... rightside 2012/09/02 20:00:21
    taitaFalcon23
    yeah, I read it a mix of obama support and a support for the GOP side of the argument as anything else in life. but blind ignorance is not the theme...
  • rightside taitaFa... 2012/09/02 20:57:47
    rightside
    +1
    Then open your flippin' eyes! You are willingly blind. I check facts.
  • taitaFa... rightside 2012/09/02 23:04:07
    taitaFalcon23
    so do I and the facts are reported that argue both sides of the issue, which is why I chose that particular source; to give a balanced view. Just because you read some fact and ignore the other don't make them invalid but I have some studying to do and I'm tired of arguing with you - good day...
  • taitaFa... rightside 2012/09/04 02:15:55
    taitaFalcon23
    well good, then you can join him by being among the stupid who don't listen. You too, are a insurance salesman's delight... People like you.get their worlds shaken up profoundly... I am a medicare expert. I don't give a hang who gets elected - because but when you learn about it yourself in about 9 yrs, you'll see backing R/R was, fundamentally, a very large mistake.

    Oh, and if your so sure I'm a liar, ask me anything the 60-95 people per day who ask the same questions. You'll find my answers can be verified with S/S''s medicare office, any insurance company and any credible source online. Ask anything about it - forget the politics and do yourself a favor and get smart on this.. You may resent it coming from me but you'll do yourself a huge favor by not lining yourself up for 10-'s of thousands of dollars of indebtedness headed your way. You gonna swallow your pride and get smart or are you going to be one of my 'sales' stories of those who were stupid.
  • rightside taitaFa... 2012/09/04 03:17:25
    rightside
    +1
    Okeedoekee
  • taitaFa... rightside 2012/09/04 03:48:22
    taitaFalcon23
    Okeedokee is not an answer to my question... I assume you'll be one of my 'stories' I'll use to sell more insurance to others who wise up BEFORE they screw themselves up with medicare. Please stay in touch and let me know what catastrophe you encounter - because the law of averages say you will in the first year of your 65th birthday
  • rightside taitaFa... 2012/09/04 03:56:39
    rightside
    +1
    I don't mind having discussions with folks that I don't agree with, but when you start insulting because you think you are smarter than me, well that just makes you look cheap.
    Have a nice day.
  • ☆astac☆ rightside 2012/09/04 03:59:33
    ☆astac☆
    +1
    Exactly. He is a nobody trying to act like he is someone. In reality, all he is, is an obama ass kisser
  • rightside ☆astac☆ 2012/09/04 04:00:31
    rightside
    +1
    bingo!!!
  • taitaFa... rightside 2012/09/04 04:05:06 (edited)
    taitaFalcon23
    I never said I was smarter than anyone, I just said I'm a medicare expert and I talk to people daily who have no clue and how did I 'insult' you? I just spoke plainly with trained knowledge..

    Really 'nightside' I'm on a mission to help people but I can't help those who don't know to accept it.. You can lead them to water but you cannot make them drink.

    As I said, leave the politics aside - I have and verify what I'm telling you is true. This is precious info that you're getting for free - not only that, it can be verified with or without me.... I WILL have a nice day because out of the 60 people I talk to tomorrow, one will avoid a major financial disaster because of me, and that makes me feel better than good
  • rightside taitaFa... 2012/09/04 14:57:00
    rightside
    +1
    I'm glad you're helping.
  • BigEyedFish 2012/08/30 17:41:36
    Protect Medicare with Romney/Ryan
    BigEyedFish
    +2
    get the lazy fraudulent asses off the couch.
    You can penalize them financially all you want if they don't buy insurance and bill them till you're blue but there is nothing in place to force them to pay. What a joke!!
  • taitaFa... BigEyed... 2012/09/02 05:47:04
    taitaFalcon23
    +1
    heh, you talk to an trained agent before writing that? Let me tell you - the explosion in baby boomers going on medicare at a rate of 10,000 per day is soon going to learn the truth about R/R's plans for the future of senior healthcare and they'r e not going to like it. A voucher is not going to overwhelm an insurance industry that has finagled to come out on top regardless who wins the election.

    I talk to 50-100 people a day and I'm amazed at the willful ignorance of what's coming... It ain't about politics, because personally, this college educated and company trained professional has his own sh*t wired tight and I don't really care about elections. But people are incredibly ignorant of what's waiting for them in healthcare, if the ACA is repealed.

    First off, the premise of any insurance - regardless of type or what you call it, is transferrance of risk. Increase the population of who's taking the risk, the cheaper the insurance costs. The quickest way to defeat that outcome is to resist the socialization of risk and privatize the gain at an unhealthy rate. Like what's endemic in the housing business. Hence, why encouraging people to participate in their own protection make eminent sense. We already have the model of the disadvantages of when you fail to control that. The j...

    heh, you talk to an trained agent before writing that? Let me tell you - the explosion in baby boomers going on medicare at a rate of 10,000 per day is soon going to learn the truth about R/R's plans for the future of senior healthcare and they'r e not going to like it. A voucher is not going to overwhelm an insurance industry that has finagled to come out on top regardless who wins the election.

    I talk to 50-100 people a day and I'm amazed at the willful ignorance of what's coming... It ain't about politics, because personally, this college educated and company trained professional has his own sh*t wired tight and I don't really care about elections. But people are incredibly ignorant of what's waiting for them in healthcare, if the ACA is repealed.

    First off, the premise of any insurance - regardless of type or what you call it, is transferrance of risk. Increase the population of who's taking the risk, the cheaper the insurance costs. The quickest way to defeat that outcome is to resist the socialization of risk and privatize the gain at an unhealthy rate. Like what's endemic in the housing business. Hence, why encouraging people to participate in their own protection make eminent sense. We already have the model of the disadvantages of when you fail to control that. The joke is on the ignorant but they won't be laughing, trust me on this.... I encounter more people than I can help, if I gave up sleeping a week at a time....

    I just had an irate customer who's been on medicare for just the past yr. He would not listen to his rights and options 7 months ago. That was before he and his wife got sick and found themselves in the hole for $2,200 that they could have avoided on their limited incomes. Now he's livid that I can't remove his med bill after the fact. That was like taking his brand new Beemer and wrapping it around a tree uninsured and wanting me to fix his car for free. He just hungup pissed. The only thing more sure than death and taxes is the fact that just before you die - you're gonna get sick....
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  • ☆astac☆ taitaFa... 2012/09/02 14:43:06
    ☆astac☆
    Why is it all you have are lies. Do you hate the seniors that much. Talk about ignorace look in the mirror, you are just a hack for obama. Tell us one reason why we should trust you.
  • RJeffreySavlov 2012/08/30 14:21:05
    Protect Medicare with Romney/Ryan
    RJeffreySavlov
    +1
    How about Obama & Biden putting back the 1.5 trillion that was borrowed ( actually Stolen) from the medicare and social security trust funds over the years to fund their social welfare programs.
  • taitaFa... RJeffre... 2012/09/02 05:49:43
    taitaFalcon23
    what programs would those be and please be specific about the amounts and how much each cost and what society is being serviced by those 'programs'...
  • ☆astac☆ taitaFa... 2012/09/02 14:43:31
    ☆astac☆
    See, you are an ignorant obama supporter
  • taitaFa... ☆astac☆ 2012/09/02 18:51:46
    taitaFalcon23
    no actually, I am a college educated, company trained professional with daily contact of over 100 people turning 65 yrs old per day - that's just me on our team working with people just as uninformed and confused as you are. How many people do you talk to each day? I wish I could talk to the 50somethings because they have no clue as to how badly they're screwing themselves right now.

    Personally, my sh*t is wired tight (it does not matter who's in or out) and I could give a hang who wins election but it bothers me to see some seniors lose all they have out of ignorance and soundbites from false presentatiions of what ACA is and isn't. I just got yelled at this week by a man who was convinced Obamacare was evil, failed to make his proper selections and then in a blink of an eye found himself in debt on his limited income (pension). He was mad he f*cked up and wanted me to do 'something' after he 'drove his car without insurance and then got into a fender bender'. The ignorance is made by people under informed and making presumptions
  • ☆astac☆ taitaFa... 2012/09/02 18:52:41
  • taitaFa... ☆astac☆ 2012/09/03 13:31:41
    taitaFalcon23
    +1
    golly gosh, thank you for pointing out the error of my ways...
  • Lazaro Rojas 2012/08/30 08:12:49
    Protect Medicare with Romney/Ryan
    Lazaro Rojas
    +1
    Of course....
  • Luv♥Luv 2012/08/30 06:17:53
  • TheTruth1313 2012/08/30 05:44:54
    Protect Medicare with Romney/Ryan
    TheTruth1313
    +1
    I've said it from the very beginning when odumba went back on his word to include tort reform and regulating the pharmaceutical companies in his socialist unjust care(less) tax. Obama care must be repealed completely or health care(and the economy) is doomed.
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/08/30 04:41:08
    Protect Medicare with Romney/Ryan
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +2
    When the Obama appointed trustees and actuaries say it is going broke in 12 years - we damn well better pay attention - It must be reformed for the future and the nothing Obama plans will not do.
  • Protect Medicare with Romney/Ryan
    ☆The Rock☆ * AFCL* The Sheriff!!
    +3
    But to be honest I think we need to get the whole damn government out of it, let free markets compete in healthcare market!!
  • ☆astac☆ ☆The Ro... 2012/08/30 04:47:39
    ☆astac☆
    I agree
  • wtw 2012/08/30 03:29:33
    Protect Medicare with Romney/Ryan
    wtw
    +1
    Right on the money!
  • Steve Boston 2012/08/30 03:16:17
    Protect Medicare with Romney/Ryan
    Steve Boston
    +2
    I think you meant Death Wish with Obama/Biden or protect Medicare with Romney/Ryan. You're excused for the typo.
  • ☆astac☆ Steve B... 2012/08/30 03:17:13
    ☆astac☆
    +1
    And you have supporters like flaca here, who will continue to lie for obama
  • flaca BN-0 2012/08/30 03:13:54
    Raid Medicare with obama/biden
    flaca BN-0
    When you say raid medicare what was raided? Not medicare. But money paid out to shafting h/c companies. Obama reduced the flagrant abuses in medicare. He didn't remove money from medicare, he removed it from fraudulent claims on medicare.
    This is a fact. and you havent read up on it or you'd know. Obama is doing what repubs think is good. Combatting waste and fraud.
  • ☆astac☆ flaca BN-0 2012/08/30 03:15:31
    ☆astac☆
    +1
    No Medicare was raided, stop lying for obama


    Obama Loots $716 Billion from Medicare
    A Report issued by the CBO this week finds Obama has taken $716 Billion from Medicare to fund Obamacare

    Senior Obama adviser David Axelrod attacked Romney and Ryan this week with the accusation that a repeal of Obamacare would bankrupt Medicare. David Axelrod however is misinformed, as the real threat to Medicare is President Obama, who has taken billions of dollars from Medicare to fund Obamacare.

    According to the CBO, the payment cuts in Medicare include:

    A $260 billion payment cut for hospital services.
    A $39 billion payment cut for skilled nursing services.
    A $17 billion payment cut for hospice services.
    A $66 billion payment cut for home health services.
    A $33 billion payment cut for all other services.
    A $156 billion cut in payment rates in Medicare Advantage (MA); $156 billion is before considering interactions with other provisions. The House Ways and Means Committee was able to include interactions with other provisions, estimating the cuts to MA to be even higher, coming in at $308 billion.
    $56 billion in cuts for disproportionate share hospital (DSH) payments.* DSH payments go to hospitals that serve a large number of low-income patients.
    $114 billion in other provisions pertaining to Medicare, ...











    No Medicare was raided, stop lying for obama


    Obama Loots $716 Billion from Medicare
    A Report issued by the CBO this week finds Obama has taken $716 Billion from Medicare to fund Obamacare

    Senior Obama adviser David Axelrod attacked Romney and Ryan this week with the accusation that a repeal of Obamacare would bankrupt Medicare. David Axelrod however is misinformed, as the real threat to Medicare is President Obama, who has taken billions of dollars from Medicare to fund Obamacare.

    According to the CBO, the payment cuts in Medicare include:

    A $260 billion payment cut for hospital services.
    A $39 billion payment cut for skilled nursing services.
    A $17 billion payment cut for hospice services.
    A $66 billion payment cut for home health services.
    A $33 billion payment cut for all other services.
    A $156 billion cut in payment rates in Medicare Advantage (MA); $156 billion is before considering interactions with other provisions. The House Ways and Means Committee was able to include interactions with other provisions, estimating the cuts to MA to be even higher, coming in at $308 billion.
    $56 billion in cuts for disproportionate share hospital (DSH) payments.* DSH payments go to hospitals that serve a large number of low-income patients.
    $114 billion in other provisions pertaining to Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP* (does not include coverage-related provisions).

    *Subtract $25 billion total between DSH payments and other provisions for spending that was cut from Medicaid and CHIP.

    In total, Obamacare raids Medicare by $716 billion from 2013 to 2022. Despite Medicare facing a 75-year unfunded obligation of $37 trillion, Obamacare uses the savings from the cuts to pay for other provisions in Obamacare, not to help shore up Medicare’s finances.

    The impact of these cuts will be detrimental to seniors’ access to care. The Medicare trustees 2012 report concludes that these lower Medicare payment rates will cause an estimated 15 percent of hospitals, skilled nursing facilities, and home health agencies to operate at a loss by 2019, 25 percent to operate at a loss in 2030, and 40 percent by 2050. Operating at a loss means these facilities are likely to cut back their services to Medicare patients or close their doors, making it more difficult for seniors to access these services.

    In addition, as MA deteriorates under Obamacare’s cuts, many of those who are enrolled in MA (27 percent of total Medicare beneficiaries) will lose their current health coverage and be forced back into traditional Medicare, where Medicare providers will be subject to further cuts. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services chief actuary predicted in 2010 that enrollment in MA would decrease 50 percent by 2017, when Obamacare’s cuts were estimated at only $145 billion. Now that the cuts have been increased to $156 billion (or possibly $308 billion, as the Ways and Means Committee estimates), MA enrollment will surely decrease even further.

    But Obamacare’s raid of Medicare doesn’t stop with cuts; it includes a redirection of tax revenue from the Medicare payroll tax hike in Obamacare. The payroll tax funds Medicare Part A, the trust fund that is projected to become insolvent as soon as 2024. Obamacare increases the tax from 2.9 percent to 3.8 percent, which is projected to cost taxpayers $318 billion from 2013 to 2022. However, for the very first time, Obamacare does not use the tax revenue from the increased Medicare payroll tax to pay for Medicare; the money is used to fund other parts of Obamacare, much like the $716 billion in cuts are.

    With a raid on Medicare of this magnitude, President Obama’s assertion that his new law is protecting seniors and Medicare is astonishing. The truth is that Obamacare does the opposite.
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  • flaca BN-0 ☆astac☆ 2012/08/30 03:16:55
    flaca BN-0
    the Ryan Plan cited the exact same amount to cut from medicare $716 bn. Whatya got to say about that? It's in black and white.
  • ☆astac☆ flaca BN-0 2012/08/30 03:26:11
    ☆astac☆
    +1
    And you are still lying and wrong.

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