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Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/07/23 18:05:48
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A week and a half ago, Obama said, "If you've got a business, you didn't build that; somebody else made that happen." That, in fact, was a government infrastructure.

Well, for Obama to claim that nobody gets anywhere without government help of some kind, is bad enough. (That the same help is available to all, but only some succeed, escaped his notice.)

But his claim that the government invented the Internet is demonstrably false.

L. Gordon Crovitz summed up the real history of the Internet. Other sources showed that the idea behind the Internet is as old as the Thirties. But the real point: most of the popular histories of the Internet ignore the role of specific companies that developed and/or popularized the technologies that make up the Internet.

Have a look at the linked article. Then ask yourself: did the government build the Internet from the bottom up, as Obama implied? Or is this just another Obama lie, on the order of Algore claiming personal credit for inventing the Internet?

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/07/23 18:10:02
    The Internet? No, Obama, you didn't build that! Neither did any government.
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +11
    The TCP/IP suite didn't make the Internet possible. Ethernet did. And Ethernet came from a private company, i.e., Xerox. And Ethernet was in use in certain private institutions before anyone heard of the Internet. (Example: The Johns Hopkins Hospital complex. I saw this first-hand in 1979 when I interviewed for admission to their School of Medicine.)

    So: the Internet did get invented apart from the government. In fact, the private sector PUSHED the government, and didn't wait for it to act.

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  • OPOA912 2012/07/23 20:24:37
    The Internet? No, Obama, you didn't build that! Neither did any government.
    OPOA912
    +6
    If it wasn't for the American Tax Payer, there wouldn't be a Federal Government. Where does the Federal Government gets its' money from? The Tax Payer. And what happens when you begin to tax everyone out of their money? economic failure. Case in point: France, Spain, Greece, Italy and the last 3.5 years of a prolonged recession. And they say Romney is out of touch? How much dumber can the last several weeks of OZbama's campaign get? Stay tuned, more stupid stuff from OZbama coming!
  • Old Soldier 2012/07/23 20:19:15
    The Internet? No, Obama, you didn't build that! Neither did any government.
    Old Soldier
    +6
    Have you folks ever heard of something that has been around as long as the telephone? It's called "inter-building exchange" and you will not find it in any books in print today, but it is known today as the "enter-Com". It was invented accidently by the man that invented the Telephone, Alexander Graham Bell, in the mid 1870's. Also, you will not hear of much of the electrical engineering data that developed the 220, 440, and 600 volt systems in use today. The books that cover this is not in print today.

    Now, the inter-com system was the true concept that birthed the Ethernet. And really, the whole communication system morphed from the telegraph system that spanned the oceans by the late 1800s. Each inventor of these communication systems “borrowed” from the previous communication system as better understanding of electrical communication grew. Xerox’s earliest concepts came from the first Kodak Camera, and it’s method of creating a photo. It wasn’t until the Polaroid Camera’s “instant” pictures that the two concepts were joined, and as they say in general; “The rest is history”.

    A lot of things get miss-taught, like the tale, “Henry Ford built the first car, or automobile.” Henry DID build the first Assembly Line for mass production, but a Frenchman, Nicolas-Joseph Cugno...

    Have you folks ever heard of something that has been around as long as the telephone? It's called "inter-building exchange" and you will not find it in any books in print today, but it is known today as the "enter-Com". It was invented accidently by the man that invented the Telephone, Alexander Graham Bell, in the mid 1870's. Also, you will not hear of much of the electrical engineering data that developed the 220, 440, and 600 volt systems in use today. The books that cover this is not in print today.

    Now, the inter-com system was the true concept that birthed the Ethernet. And really, the whole communication system morphed from the telegraph system that spanned the oceans by the late 1800s. Each inventor of these communication systems “borrowed” from the previous communication system as better understanding of electrical communication grew. Xerox’s earliest concepts came from the first Kodak Camera, and it’s method of creating a photo. It wasn’t until the Polaroid Camera’s “instant” pictures that the two concepts were joined, and as they say in general; “The rest is history”.

    A lot of things get miss-taught, like the tale, “Henry Ford built the first car, or automobile.” Henry DID build the first Assembly Line for mass production, but a Frenchman, Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot, built the first Automobile in 1769. However, the concept was first designed as a working model by Ferdinand Verbiest, a Flemish member of a Jesuit mission in China around 1672.

    Therefore, Obama’s “speech” just proved that he is not only a lousy lawyer, but he is also a lousy historian. He doesn’t know anything about modern commercial history, let alone where or when or by whom it was invented.
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  • ★Calliope★ Old Sol... 2012/07/24 02:50:27
    ★Calliope★
    +2
    thank you for that lesson.

    I appreciate it.
  • Old Sol... ★Calliope★ 2012/07/24 13:45:47 (edited)
    Old Soldier
    +1
    I forgot to mention that this info is easily found in several publications of the Encyclopediea Britannica. I used to have an older verson (books), but sold it and bought the @ 2009 version on disc. I must say that I perfer the the things that take up less space on the shelf.
  • endthefed.soundmoney 2012/07/23 20:14:44
    Undecided
    endthefed.soundmoney
    +3
    Al Gore build the Internets
  • ETpro 2012/07/23 20:09:12
    Government built the Internet, all right, but that's bought and paid for, and...
    ETpro
    +6
    Oh for crying out loud. Government built the Internet. Government built the roads that a businesses goods and services flow over. Government educated the workers that help the business grow. Government polices the neighborhood and puts out fires so the business owner doesn't have to employ his own private army and fire department. That's all Obama was saying. If you can't handle the truth, what's left? Love of lies? How far can you get by relying on falsehoods to guide your every through and plan?
  • relic ETpro 2012/07/23 20:15:55
    relic
    +4
    I thought those were made by us taxpayers, not some "government"???
  • Ron in ... relic 2012/07/23 20:25:02
    Ron in Oregon
    +1
    Yes, for example fire departments were private and if you did not display the correct emblem on your house and it was on fire, they would stand there and watch it burn.
  • relic Ron in ... 2012/07/23 21:32:06
    relic
    +1
    Today's fire departments are, just like then, paid for by us taxpayers. Public/Private.
  • Old Sol... ETpro 2012/07/23 21:53:11
    Old Soldier
    +3
    Not exactly correct ETpro, the paxpayers money paid for the infastructure of the country through the government as designed in the Constitution, Article 1,Section 8, clause 17, where we find; "Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;" Roads and bridges are not mentioned, but common sense relates that roads and Bridges were needed to connect these locations.

    As to building these needs, as far as that goes, the government did not build them, they were built by private contractors as was the Rail Roads. BTW, most Fire departments are Volunteer, And The STATE, not the US government, provides the vehicles and materials that are needed by them, which these vehicles and materials are also designed and built by private contractors. In the military reservations that exist, the plants, garages, and most buildings are maintained by civil contractors, except for vehicle maintaince, Armorys, and Barracks, which are maintained by soldiers that are trained in their prospective MOS's.
  • vis_viva ETpro 2012/07/24 00:45:21
    vis_viva
    Amen. In that very same speech he spoke POSITIVELY about the type of drive and entrepreneurial spirit builds a business and then ACCURATELY pointed out that it was US together; that is was government that built the bridges that business relies on.

    Of course the selective hearing crowd only hears the "collectivism" part and ignores the individualism part.

    It feels like I've said it a million times, but I'll say it again. All great human endeavors have had the proper balance of individualism/self-interest/me and teamwork/collectivism/us. Point that out today and it's conservatives who attack you for being a socialist (no matter how much you indicate how important the entrepreneurial thing is). Ayn Rand was as screwed up as Karl Marx.
  • Old Sol... vis_viva 2012/07/24 04:43:46
    Old Soldier
    Vis, "I" you got it; Ieeeeeeee, built my own company, Ieeeeeee, ran my own company as Ieeeeeee, saw fit, and Ieeeeee, paid for all my equipment without the government or the hounds on Wall Street. The ONLY THING THE GOVERNMENT HAD TO DO WITH MY BUSINESS WAS COLLECT TAXES, OF WHICH THEY DID NO WORK AT ALL. PROCTER AND GAMBLE, AND A LOT OF OTHER BUSINESSES SUPPORTED MY WORK, AND THEY ALSO PAID TAXES FOR WHICH THE GOVENMENT DID NO WORK TO HELP THEM. AND ONE MORE TIME, as you say, THE INFASTRUCTURE OF THE COUNTRY WAS BUILD BY PRIVATE CONTRACTORS WHICH MADE THE CHEAPEST BID TO THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE CONTRACT. AND AFTER ALL THAT, THEY ALSO PAID TAXES, AS DID ALL THEIR EMPLOYEES AS WELL. AT NO TIME DID THE GOVERNMENT PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON DC DO ANYTHING BUT SIT ON THEIR BUTTS AND TALK. THAT IS ALL THEY DO, AND IF YOU THINK THEY DO MORE, YOU WILL FIND THAT ALL THAT TALK THEY DO IS TO MAKE YOU THEIR SLAVE AFTER YOU GIVE THEM AND THEIR FOREIGN FRIENDS ALL THE LAND AND BUSINESSES IN THE UNITED STATES.

    I think you better wake up and learn that the government is not your friend, but I will tell you this. Romney and Obama are really good friends, and at the end of the day, these millionaires sit down together and laugh at how stupid people like you are. Hell, they don’t even have to spend their own money to get you to elect them, either. Why? Because they have you and people like you to pay them to have you elect them.
  • Oaces_b... ETpro 2012/07/24 06:22:01
  • Zeruke 2012/07/23 20:07:59
    The Internet? No, Obama, you didn't build that! Neither did any government.
    Zeruke
    +4


    networking and the internet start being research by private businesses and schools way before the government started adding to the research
  • fisherman 2012/07/23 19:49:40
    Undecided
    fisherman
    +4
    i want someone to tell him just who in hell paid for all these goverment miracles dear leader has such a stiffo about .
  • ★Calliope★ fisherman 2012/07/24 02:52:31
    ★Calliope★
    +1
    guffaw = you said 'stiffo'

    And Agreed.
  • kir 2012/07/23 19:45:59
    The Internet? No, Obama, you didn't build that! Neither did any government.
    kir
    +5
    That's for sure. The Arpanet was designed for military use to better fight the cold war and nothing more; it was private business that turned the arpanet into the internet and it was private ingenuity that turned the internet into the world wide web.

    http://politicoid.blogspot.co...
  • JohnT kir 2012/07/23 20:52:42
    JohnT
    +1
    DOD along with MIT was involved as well. Many companies and Universities made it happen.I used to love being at home being monitored out of Langley when I was using the Intranet. Anyone that thinks this is a just a free enterprise tool needs a little convert education
  • Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody 2012/07/23 19:44:28
    The Internet? No, Obama, you didn't build that! Neither did any government.
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +4
    It was opposition to tyranical and unjust government policys that spured the great American revolution. The policy of taxing American Colonist to pay for other Government programs and services for a select number was the direct cause of the writting of The Declaration of Independence, and led those most offended and effected to engage in a war lasting untill the Military Forces used to enforce those taxes was driven to its homeland. Else everyone able to call themselves a citizen of these United States of America would be either still Subjects of the Crown of England, or any number of like polities.

    Now you want to tax the physical and spiritual decendents of those victors with even heavier taxes? Madness!!
  • Red Branch 2012/07/23 19:42:15
    The Internet? No, Obama, you didn't build that! Neither did any government.
    Red Branch
    +4
    Losers. Liars, Low-Lives.
  • Lord Emperor of Dune 2012/07/23 19:30:59
    Undecided
    Lord Emperor of Dune
    +1
    The internet would not be what it is today without gov research and spending, but we all know that the US government didn't build it so that sick freaks could watch ladyboy porn from Singapore. You can't put the monster back in the box, and you can't go back and call for payment post facto either.
  • Don Leuty 2012/07/23 19:28:42
    The Internet? No, Obama, you didn't build that! Neither did any government.
    Don Leuty
    +3
    0bama drank Al Gore's Kool-Aid and it was laced with JP4

    0bama drank al gores kool-aid laced jp4
  • gumybare69 2012/07/23 19:28:02
    Government built the Internet, all right, but that's bought and paid for, and...
    gumybare69
    +1
    Yes the Gov did initially build an infrastructure which is now the internet. But if you actaully listened to his speech and not all the sound bites, he also says that if your business is based in or on the internet then you didn't build that. which is true, there's nothing wrong with that statement. Mitt also acknowledged that businesses have to have outside support in order to function. Saying that someone builds a business from ground up is a phrase. It doesn't imply that the person who said it actually poured the concrete, built the machinery, etc. Listening to the entire speech would definitely help stop some of this confusion.
  • Don Leuty gumybare69 2012/07/23 19:38:27
    Don Leuty
    +2
    The internet was born in the 1950s and well on it's way by 1968 when the DOD got involved when the realized the power of networking. Even without the government, the inet would have evolved very quickly. You do Rand and IBM a great disservice, as well as, our co-developers across the pond.
  • ehrhornp 2012/07/23 19:18:43
    Undecided
    ehrhornp
    +1
    So called conservatives don't want to give credit to government for anything. Sorry if it wasn't for government we would not have the interstate highway system and we sure wouldn't have the current day internet.

    Shame phony conservatives live in a bubble.
  • Don Leuty ehrhornp 2012/07/23 19:40:56
    Don Leuty
    +3
    Interstate Highway System was a DOD Project. The Internet was well on its way before the DOD got involved in networking in 1968. Give Rand and IBM the credit due.
  • ehrhornp Don Leuty 2012/07/23 21:52:30
    ehrhornp
    I have no problem giving IBM and Rand credit. But will you give credit to government? You realize I hope that the DOD is part of the federal government?
  • Don Leuty ehrhornp 2012/07/23 21:57:25
    Don Leuty
    Yes, indeed If i left a tip for the value of their contribution, it would come to about 2-cents. Their contribution to networking is miniscule
  • ehrhornp Don Leuty 2012/07/23 22:09:51
    ehrhornp
    I disagree. The Al Gore propaganda really came down to whether it should be financed or not. Al Gore got it financed. I don't know if republicans would have.
  • Don Leuty ehrhornp 2012/07/23 22:35:50
    Don Leuty
    That's what makes politics and horse races. The private sector was actually hampered a bit by the government when DOD came on the scene. Those humongous record offered to interesting challenges. I moved from IBM to EDS in 1968. Blue Cross-Blue Shield(EDS) were already well into networking as was IBM with Sabre for American Airlines.
  • Philo-CommieHater! 2012/07/23 19:18:21
    The Internet? No, Obama, you didn't build that! Neither did any government.
    Philo-CommieHater!
    +2
    The creation & growth of the internet was/is organic, not the result of any particular program.
  • No nonsense NanC...don't BS... 2012/07/23 18:57:20
    The Internet? No, Obama, you didn't build that! Neither did any government.
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    +3
    Aw shucks! I thought Al Gore invented the Internet.............
  • ehrhornp No nons... 2012/07/23 21:53:12
    ehrhornp
    No that was just propaganda put out by the wacko so called conservatives.
  • No nons... ehrhornp 2012/07/23 22:17:06
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    Golly, glad you cleared that up for me. I was giving Al more credit than
    he deserved...........
  • ehrhornp No nons... 2012/07/23 22:23:08
    ehrhornp
    Glad to have helped. Al made it very clear that he was only involved in the financing of it. Without Gore's actions, it may not have been financed.
  • No nons... ehrhornp 2012/07/23 22:25:40
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    Then that must be why he claimed he was responsible for inventing it..........
  • ehrhornp No nons... 2012/07/23 22:28:19
    ehrhornp
    He never made that claim. It was typical sloppy reporting.

    http://www.snopes.com/quotes/...

    Stop listening to far right propaganda.
  • No nons... ehrhornp 2012/07/23 22:31:22
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    "why he claimed he was responsible for inventing it.........."

    Try to read a little more carefully.... I didn't say he invented the Internet,
    but becaues he made sure they had the funding.... he was responsible
    for it being invented...... In his mind, that is.

    BTW, I thought it was the defense department who invented
    the Internet.
  • ehrhornp No nons... 2012/07/23 22:37:46
    ehrhornp
    Yes it was but the main point was that the defense department is part of government, something so called conservatives don't seen to realize.
  • No nons... ehrhornp 2012/07/23 23:13:14
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    Why do you keep saying Conservative when addressing me...........
    I am an Independent; so cut the cr*p and trying to ridicule me.

    I admit, I can't believe I voted for the Big sexual pervert Al in 2000.

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