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Yemen’s Nobel Prize winner Karman paid tribute to Arab women and their struggles "in a society dominated by the supremacy of men”. Doesn't Allah Himself want women to be the property of men?

holyheretic 2011/12/11 08:16:39
Of course.  Allah wants women to be the property of men
No, Allah doesn’t want women to be the property of men
Allah does not care about freedom
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Peace Prize winners Tawakkol Karman of Yemen, left, Liberian peace
activist Leymah Gbowee, center, and Liberian president Ellen
Johnson-Sirleaf display their diplomas and medals at City Hall in in
Oslo, 2011
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  • Harriet Tubman 2011/12/11 19:37:52 (edited)
    No, Allah doesn’t want women to be the property of men
    Harriet Tubman
    +21
    Where to begin? Women in traditional Muslim societies are so oppressed. Honor killings, where fathers (sometimes brothers) kill their daughters (or sisters) because they are not demur enough, wear western clothing, want to get an education and follow a profession usually male, DATE, HAVE SEX before marriage, date or marry a boy of another religion or sect, or even be suspected of doing one of these things. FGM, Female Genital Mutilation, where the clitoris and labia minora are cut off a young girl (not an infant), usually by an old woman using a piece of broken glass . This was learned from the Coptic Christians of Ethiopia who in turn learned in from the Falasha Jews, but today the vast majority of those doing it are Muslims in Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Sudan, Chad, Niger, Nigeria, Mali, Senegal, Guinea, Sierra Leone, etc. Discrimination in education, occupation, dress, etc., is rampant. Please see and support the Petition to End Domestic Violence in the Muslim World.

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  • Arianne 2011/12/14 03:44:43
    No, Allah doesn’t want women to be the property of men
    Arianne
    +1
    If there is a God, who is loving and kind, He will most likely shake His head at this foolishness.

    If there was a choice between being a blasphemer and an ignoramus, I'd rather be a blasphemer. Faith should never triumph over science.
  • holyher... Arianne 2011/12/14 10:29:26
  • ur XLNC 2011/12/13 01:15:14
    Of course. Allah wants women to be the property of men
    ur XLNC
    +1
    Funny thing about Islam. One can substitute Mohammad for Allah and probably be more correct. Read "The Hadith", Mohammad INVENTED Islam and declared himself as the spokesman for Allah.
  • holyher... ur XLNC 2011/12/13 07:16:21
  • ur XLNC holyher... 2011/12/13 20:40:16 (edited)
    ur XLNC
    +1
    You noticed that, did you? It's interesting that Christianity has all of these 'different' perspective's/sect's/denomina... yet they all profess the "same" story. How can they all be right, if they all are different. I just finished a course of "Introduction to Eastern Religion's" and will be taking the follow-up of "Intro. to Western Religion's" for Winter Qtr. Some of the more outspoken adherent's are limited in the source material when arguing their position. Got one in my class. The more reason, proof, logic and clear explanation's presented to this poor guy, the more close-minded he gets. The instructor is baffled by the guy, also.
  • holyher... ur XLNC 2011/12/14 10:30:15
  • ur XLNC holyher... 2011/12/14 21:11:06
    ur XLNC
    +1
    That movie; "1776" brought to life the character of Jefferson and other's. Wise folk's they were. My "American Government" instructor showed the movie for class instruction.
  • holyher... ur XLNC 2011/12/15 09:45:26
  • Barbara 2011/12/13 00:35:20
    No, Allah doesn’t want women to be the property of men
    Barbara
    +1
    The horrible abuse of Muslim women must be stopped. Please do support the Petition to End Domestic Violence in the Muslim World. http://www.thepetitionsite.co...
  • holyher... Barbara 2011/12/13 01:11:14
  • holyher... holyher... 2011/12/13 01:12:00
  • holyher... holyher... 2011/12/13 01:12:58
  • Muhammad 2011/12/12 19:15:20
    No, Allah doesn’t want women to be the property of men
    Muhammad
    +3
    The Nation of Islam and American Muslims have both always recognized the equality of women, perhaps because of one woman, Clara Mohammed, wife of Elijah Mohammed (long time leader of the Nation of Islam) and mother of Wallace Deen Mohammed (head of the American Muslims). All the elementary schools of the American Muslims are named for her in honor of her work in educating our young people and her steadfast support of equal education and opportunity for girls. http://www.yourpersonalizedsh... Google "Clara Mohammed" to see some of the schools named for her.
    Harriet, I too support you and your work for our women.
  • holyher... Muhammad 2011/12/13 00:34:08
  • holyher... holyher... 2011/12/13 00:34:43
  • holyher... holyher... 2011/12/13 00:36:33
  • Tom 2011/12/12 13:59:16
    Each nation has created a god, and the god has always resembled his creators....
    Tom
    +1
    Islam is keeping Roman ideals alive. Had it not been for the Romans we would not have these issues at all. I can prove 9-11 was the direct fault of Constantine the Great and his conversion of the pagan empire into a Christain one.
  • holyher... Tom 2011/12/13 00:38:56
  • Tom holyher... 2011/12/16 13:48:22
    Tom
    +1
    Had Maxtenius won instead of Constantine, the pagan religions would have continued and Christianity would have been exterminated. Since that didn't happen, and Constantine won, his field conversion of his army was a stroke of genius, which he applied to those in court wih him by offering a gold soldarius and a baptimal robe for every convert. Those seeking political favor of course converted in name at least. This spread throughout the empire. Following his death, Julius II tried to bring paganism back, but the priesthood was in play, both religiously and politically and prevented this from taking root. From then until the end of the Western Empire, there was constant religious infighting between groups, with many wiped out to the youngest members of the family. A very Roman way of dealing with desent. This also occurred in the Eastern Empire as well, but the East was also fighting the West in their religious views. In the 350 years or so between the fall of the Western Empire and the degrading of the Eastern Empire, local Arab leaders took over a lot of the religous activity that former representatives of the emperor were in charge of, plus in some areas pagan temples still functioned. When Mohammad developed his concept of religion, he saw the inherernt benefit of coupling t...
    Had Maxtenius won instead of Constantine, the pagan religions would have continued and Christianity would have been exterminated. Since that didn't happen, and Constantine won, his field conversion of his army was a stroke of genius, which he applied to those in court wih him by offering a gold soldarius and a baptimal robe for every convert. Those seeking political favor of course converted in name at least. This spread throughout the empire. Following his death, Julius II tried to bring paganism back, but the priesthood was in play, both religiously and politically and prevented this from taking root. From then until the end of the Western Empire, there was constant religious infighting between groups, with many wiped out to the youngest members of the family. A very Roman way of dealing with desent. This also occurred in the Eastern Empire as well, but the East was also fighting the West in their religious views. In the 350 years or so between the fall of the Western Empire and the degrading of the Eastern Empire, local Arab leaders took over a lot of the religous activity that former representatives of the emperor were in charge of, plus in some areas pagan temples still functioned. When Mohammad developed his concept of religion, he saw the inherernt benefit of coupling the state with the religion, which is how Islam started. The conversion took only a few decades to replace the Roman Christianity with an Arab version, with someo of the myths exposed for the fraud they were and added others to embellish the fact and masked the truth from the future followers. So, if Constantine the Great had not made Christianity the state religion, Islam would never have become a religion, and none of the history that followed in their bloody foot prints would have occurred. 9-11 would never have happened.
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  • holyher... Tom 2012/01/15 09:18:21
  • Joseph 2011/12/12 06:01:41
    Of course. Allah wants women to be the property of men
    Joseph
    +5
    Equal rights for women is the devil's slogan to undermine the Christian family. We need to copy the Muslims, not try to change them. Paul said for women to cover their hair, and so they should. Whether you call it a wimple or a hijab, modest women need a head cover.
    paul women cover hair wimple hijab modest women head cover
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    women cover hair wimple hijab modest women head cover wimple
    Hijab
  • holyher... Joseph 2011/12/12 08:02:13
  • Bilal 2011/12/11 21:45:01 (edited)
    No, Allah doesn’t want women to be the property of men
    Bilal
    +5
    Trying to improve the status of women in Muslim societies is perhaps the main reason the Muslims for Progressive Values was formed. Please do support us in our struggle for freedom for women.
  • holyher... Bilal 2011/12/11 23:25:19
  • misterz 2011/12/11 21:22:18
    Each nation has created a god, and the god has always resembled his creators....
    misterz
  • holyher... misterz 2011/12/11 23:27:21
  • ChristianCrusader 2011/12/11 21:19:04
    Of course. Allah wants women to be the property of men
    ChristianCrusader
    +7
    This is straight from the Bible. St Paul said so many times that women are to obey men and should serve their husbands. Women are cursed with menstruation to remind them that Eve was deceived, not Adam, and women are the origin of sin. On the status of women, how they should dress, covering their hair, being unclean at menstruation, all the things that "liberated" women object to in Islam, these things Muhammad stole from the Bible and he is right. Except for Female Genital Mutilation and Honor Killings, all the rest of the things these feminists attack Muslims for, the Muslims are right. It is God's will.

    I want to be clear that this does not mean that Islam is generally true or that Muhammad was generally truthful. Muhammad was a pedophile, polygamist, fraud, murderer, robber, rapist, etc., and Islam is a very sick, bad religion. But Muhammad did steal many ideas from Christianity and Judaism, so there are many things he said which are right. The place of women is one where he was right. We Evangelical Christians, following the teachings of St Paul in the Bible, believe the same.
  • holyher... Christi... 2011/12/11 23:22:14
  • justnotsaying (: 2011/12/11 20:48:48
    Each nation has created a god, and the god has always resembled his creators....
    justnotsaying (:
    +1
    Allah does not care about freedom, and of course Allah wants women to be property of men.
  • holyher... justnot... 2011/12/11 22:57:05
  • justnot... holyher... 2011/12/11 23:35:54
    justnotsaying (:
    +1
    You're welcome. I'll be back to offer great wisdom.
  • holyher... justnot... 2011/12/12 00:45:56
  • justnot... holyher... 2011/12/13 04:01:20
  • RushSchlafly 2011/12/11 20:41:46
    Of course. Allah wants women to be the property of men
    RushSchlafly
    +7
    Property is a loaded word, but the wife is supposed to be subservient and obedient to the husband. It is the husband's duty to teach the wife to subservient and a loyal helpmate.

    Here is a beautiful sermon on the roles of husband and wife: http://www.tldm.org/news7/Bib...
    ""But I would have you know, that the head [i.e., authority (Jdg. 11:10; Eph. 1:22)] of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God [Therefore, no inferiority is implied in submissiveness, only different God-ordained roles.]. Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered, disgraceth his head. But every woman praying or prophesying with her head not covered, disgraceth her head: for it is all one as if she were shaven. For if a woman be not covered, let her be shorn. But if it be a shame to a woman to be shorn or made bald, let her cover her head. The man indeed ought not to cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man. For the man was not created for the woman, but the woman for the man. Therefore ought the woman to have a power over her head, because of the angels." (1 Corinthians 11: 3-10)"

    So, in this case, Muhammad was quoting St Paul...
    Property is a loaded word, but the wife is supposed to be subservient and obedient to the husband. It is the husband's duty to teach the wife to subservient and a loyal helpmate.

    Here is a beautiful sermon on the roles of husband and wife: http://www.tldm.org/news7/Bib...
    ""But I would have you know, that the head [i.e., authority (Jdg. 11:10; Eph. 1:22)] of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God [Therefore, no inferiority is implied in submissiveness, only different God-ordained roles.]. Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered, disgraceth his head. But every woman praying or prophesying with her head not covered, disgraceth her head: for it is all one as if she were shaven. For if a woman be not covered, let her be shorn. But if it be a shame to a woman to be shorn or made bald, let her cover her head. The man indeed ought not to cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man. For the man was not created for the woman, but the woman for the man. Therefore ought the woman to have a power over her head, because of the angels." (1 Corinthians 11: 3-10)"

    So, in this case, Muhammad was quoting St Paul in ordaining that the wife should obey her husband and that she should keep her hair covered, so in this case Islam is right because it stole its teaching from Christianity. Note that it is man that is created in the image of God, but woman is created only to satisfy the needs of man.
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  • holyher... RushSch... 2011/12/11 22:52:00
  • Harriet Tubman 2011/12/11 19:37:52 (edited)
    No, Allah doesn’t want women to be the property of men
    Harriet Tubman
    +21
    Where to begin? Women in traditional Muslim societies are so oppressed. Honor killings, where fathers (sometimes brothers) kill their daughters (or sisters) because they are not demur enough, wear western clothing, want to get an education and follow a profession usually male, DATE, HAVE SEX before marriage, date or marry a boy of another religion or sect, or even be suspected of doing one of these things. FGM, Female Genital Mutilation, where the clitoris and labia minora are cut off a young girl (not an infant), usually by an old woman using a piece of broken glass . This was learned from the Coptic Christians of Ethiopia who in turn learned in from the Falasha Jews, but today the vast majority of those doing it are Muslims in Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Sudan, Chad, Niger, Nigeria, Mali, Senegal, Guinea, Sierra Leone, etc. Discrimination in education, occupation, dress, etc., is rampant. Please see and support the Petition to End Domestic Violence in the Muslim World.
  • Tariq Harriet... 2011/12/11 21:36:55 (edited)
    Tariq
    +17
    I am with you 100%, Harriet. Oppression of women by traditional Muslims is horrific. We must combat it in every possible way. FGM is beginning to cross into the Arab world from the Horn of Africa, it is fairly common in Egypt now. It is practiced in the US and Britain by African Muslims. Infundibulation, where the labia majora are sewn together to prevent intercourse like a chastity belt, is widely practiced in the Arab world. The husband cuts the wife open on the wedding night. In Sudan and Egypt, many girls have both FGM and infundibulation.
  • holyher... Tariq 2011/12/11 23:29:36
  • holyher... holyher... 2011/12/11 23:30:11
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