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strawberry 2012/06/17 00:05:55
I DON'T WANT A DRAFT DODGER AS MY AMERICAN PRESIDENT.
MITT ROMNEY IS A HYPOCRIT, LIAR, AND COWARD.
I DON'T CARE MITT ROMNEY WAS A DRAFT DODGER.
THOSE IN MY FAMILY LOST THEIR LIVES IN VIETNAM.
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"Mitt Romney Faces New Scrutiny Over Vietnam War - Era Draft Deferments"
By STEVE PEOPLES 06/05/12 12:53 PM ET AP

"SAN DIEGO - On a stage crowded with war heroes, Mitt Romney recently praised the sacrifice "of the great men and women of every generation who serve in our armed services."

It is a sacrifice the Republican presidential candidate did not make.
Though an early supporter of the Vietnam War, Romney avoided military service at the height of the fighting after receiving four draft deferments, according to Selective Service records. They included college deferments and a 31 - month stretch as "minister of religion" in France, a classification for Mormon missionaries that the church at the time feared was being overused. The country was cutting troop levels by the time he became eligible for the draft, and his lottery number was not called.

President Barack Obama, Romney's opponent in this year's campaign, did not serve in the military either. The Democrat 50, was a child during the Vietnam conflict and did not enlist when he was older.

But because Romney, now 65, was of draft age during Vietnam, his military background - or, rather lack of one - is facing new scrutiny as he courts veterans and makes his case to the nation to be commander in chief. He's also intensified his criticism lately of Obama's plans to scale back the nation's military commitments abroad, suggesting that Romney would pursue aggressive foreign policy as president that could involve U.S. troops.

A look at Romney's relationship with Vietnam offers a window into a 1960's world that allowed him to avoid combat as fighting peaked. His story also demonstrated his commitment to the Mormon Church, which he rarely discusses publicly but which helped shape his life.

Romney's recollection of his Vietnam - era decisions has evolved in the decades since, particularly as his presidential ambitions became clear.

He said in 2007 - his first White House bid under way - that he had "longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam." But his actions, Selective Service records and previous statements show little interest in joining a conflict that ultimately claimed more than 58,000 American lives.

Still, he repeatedly cites his commitment to public service and the nation's military while campaigning for president.

&... "Greatness in a people I believe is
measured by the extent to which they will give themselves to something bigger than themselves," Romney said in San Diego last week to a Memorial Day crowd of thousands , flush with military veterans of all ages.

He did not address his own Vietnam history that day, And his campaign has refused to comment publicly on the subject over the past week.

Political rivals, military veterans among them, suggest that Romney's own decision not to serve in the military is in conflict with his pro - military rhetoric.

"He didn't have the courage to go. He didn't feel it was important enough to him to serve his country at a time of war," said Jon Soltz, who served two Army tours in Iraq and is chairman of the left - leaning veterans group Vote Vets. org

Critics note that the candidate is among three generations of Romneys - who were of military age during armed conflicts but did not serve.

As a presidential candidate in 2007, Romney told the Boston Globe he was frustrated as a Mormon missionary, not to be fighting alongside his countrymen.

"I was supportive of my country," Romney said. "I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there, and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam."

Indeed, Romney strongly supported the war at first. As a freshman at Stanford University, he protested anti - war activists. In one photo, he's shown in a small crowd of students, smiling broadly, wearing a sport jacket and holding up a sign that says, "Speak Out, Don't Sit In."

But the frustration he recalled in 2007 does not match a sentiment he shared as a Massachusetts Senate candidate in 1994, when he told The Boston Herald, "I was not planning on signing up for the military."

"It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam, but nor did I take any actions to remove myself from the pool of young men who were eligible for the draft," Romney told the newspaper.

But that's exactly what Romney did, according Selective Service records. He received his first deferment for "activity in study" in October 1965 while at Stanford.

As Stoltz notes, the younger Romney was under no obligation to seek a college - related deferment.

"Vietnam was a war that the poor and the people who couldn't afford to go to college had to go to," Soltz said.

After his first year at Stanford, Romney qualified for 4 - D deferment status as "minister of religion for divinity student." It was a status he would hold from July 1966 until February 1969, a period he largely spent in France working as a Mormon missionary.

He was granted the deferment even as some young Mormon men elsewhere were denied that status, which became increasingly controversial in the late 1960's. The Mormon church, a strong supporter of American involvement in Vietnam, ultimately limited the number of church missionaries allowed to defer their military service using the religious exemption.

But as fighting in Vietnam raged Romney spent two and a half years trying to win Mormon converts in France. About that same time, Romney's father would famously speak out against Vietnam, declaring that he had been "brainwashed" by military officials into supporting the conflict.

Young Romney's comments indicated his support had waned, too.

"If it wasn't a political blunder to move into Vietnam, I don't know what is," a 23 - year old Romney would tell the Boston Globe in 1970 during the fifth year of his deferment.

His 31 - month religious deferment expired in early 1969. And Romney received an academic studies deferment for much of the next two years. He became available for military service at the end of 1970 when his deferments ran out and he could have been drafted. But by that time America was beginning to slice its troop levels, and Romney's relatively high lottery number - 300 out of 365 - was not called.

Romney's past may not be enough to hurt - his popularity in this years election among veterans, who typically lean Republican.

A Gallup survey released last week found that veterans prefer Romney over Obama by 58 percent to 34 percent. That voting bloc, consisting mostly of older men, makes up 13 percent of the adult population. Obama won the presidency four years ago while losing veterans by 10 points to Sen. John McCain, former Navy pilot.

Still, some veterans say Romney's reluctance to serve irks them.

"I volunteered for the draft, Romney could have, too. Simple as that," said Wade Lieseke, of Nevada, who served as a helicopter gunner in Vietnam from 1969 to 1970."

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  • Peewee 2012/10/30 13:19:26
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    I would rather have someone who deferred from the draft than someone who hung out with commies and terrorists in college.

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  • DeeDee 2012/11/02 22:54:44
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    Doesn't seem he was a draft "dodger" -- he didn't run off to Canada. Here's something to chew on......

    Sending someone else to die in your place, FOR A CAUSE OR FIGHT YOU BELIEVE IN, but haven't the BALLS to do yourself -- is Hypocrisy and Cowardice.

    Refusing to fight for any cause you believe morally or ethically or legally questionable, regardless of the consequences you may face by standing by your beliefs -- and accepting the consequences without whining about it -- is Integrity.

    Owning up to the consequences of your decisions, and/or changing your positions on issues gained from maturity and life's experiences -- shows character and personal growth.

    How many of us have NOT altered our opinions or views on anything based on the thing called "life experience"?

    Changing one's views based on "polls" or "public opinion" is disingenuous. Changing one's views based on experience, circumstance, maturity, etc? That's called the human experience.
  • Jane 2012/11/02 12:48:08
    MITT ROMNEY IS A HYPOCRIT, LIAR, AND COWARD.
    Jane
    +1
    None of his perfect little Mormon boys served their country, like father, like son.
  • strawberry Jane 2012/11/02 21:32:25
    strawberry
    +1
    So true Jane.
  • Jerry 2012/11/01 23:45:25
    I DON'T WANT A DRAFT DODGER AS MY AMERICAN PRESIDENT.
    Jerry
    .....Neither one, Obama or Romney were military Servicemen, so that can't be the criteria for posting this particular question....by everything we hold dear, the selection for President ..... " We didn't have a candidate worthy of nomination, by any of the party's including the third wing party......I really feel, none of the above, but I am going to vote for the end of 4 more years....Obama.......
  • ★Calliope★ 2012/11/01 20:25:56
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    This is really stupid.

    Very typical.
  • Risk 2012/11/01 12:30:01
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    I would rather have a person like Romney rather then a dedicated Muslim that has the ability to totally pull the wool over the eyes of his sheeples ! Only genuine fools cannot see through this Muslim's lies !
  • doc moto 2012/11/01 02:07:33
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    I served and after getting the heart beat oif all the ones that protested, the ones that went to extreme and left the country and to those that did it the hard way as a few of my cousins, I could see some folks get a tad testy and get boiled over with "you got to do it this way" or "you are just a commie or socialist if you do anything to deter serving!" I feel that there is enough that was chosen and many that just wanted to serve, like myself and many of my friends to make up for the others... I know that while I was serving with other forces, I have had a conversation on a few that were in the 'conflict' that stated that they had wished to have stayed in school, studied harder and met deferment, etc... and others just too embarrassed to make any statement as making a comment or two saying 'wish I was him' or 'man, I remember my friend back home...' and not saying anything that would mark that day! Whatever the case, to each their own and as all things, Congress is the one that has and should have the power to declare war and that balances that power out and anyone person that manipulates the whole ball of wax should be sent to GITMO! Being that my father was the most shot at man during the second world war as so noted by an admiral and myself having the most volunteer state...
    I served and after getting the heart beat oif all the ones that protested, the ones that went to extreme and left the country and to those that did it the hard way as a few of my cousins, I could see some folks get a tad testy and get boiled over with "you got to do it this way" or "you are just a commie or socialist if you do anything to deter serving!" I feel that there is enough that was chosen and many that just wanted to serve, like myself and many of my friends to make up for the others... I know that while I was serving with other forces, I have had a conversation on a few that were in the 'conflict' that stated that they had wished to have stayed in school, studied harder and met deferment, etc... and others just too embarrassed to make any statement as making a comment or two saying 'wish I was him' or 'man, I remember my friend back home...' and not saying anything that would mark that day! Whatever the case, to each their own and as all things, Congress is the one that has and should have the power to declare war and that balances that power out and anyone person that manipulates the whole ball of wax should be sent to GITMO! Being that my father was the most shot at man during the second world war as so noted by an admiral and myself having the most volunteer statements in for going into battle...just shows that we are either a target or one that love shooting at another! All the same, to each their own and God Bless America and I had already voted for Romney and Ryan ticket and God Bless them also!
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  • Kookieless The Sexy Nihilis... 2012/11/01 01:20:25
  • strawberry Kookiel... 2012/11/01 01:27:22
    strawberry
    +1
    They sure were, and send our U.S. troops to die in Iraq, without getting their facts right first.
  • ★Calliope★ strawberry 2012/11/01 20:27:55
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    Yeah, yeah.

    And jeez.. Obama was going to end the war there, right?

    All he did was change the name of the force that was/is there. Hell of a strange way to declare a victory. Semantics.
  • rightside Kookiel... 2012/11/01 04:10:08
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    +2
    Bush served.
  • strawberry rightside 2012/11/01 05:37:19
    strawberry
    +1
    You can look up how Bush served. It was a special list he was put on for wealthy. Bush's Air National Guard was a joke. He rarely flew and was grounded.
  • Kat strawberry 2012/11/01 12:12:52
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    +2
    But he did serve, Elvis didn't get regular duty either, a lot of politicians sons and famous people didn't.
  • rightside strawberry 2012/11/01 15:35:21
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    +1
    Ask people in chicago how well bama served them as community organizer. Which isn't even close to serving in the military. One of my clients was in the military during Viet Nam and he never left the US.
    bama was a crap organizer and didn't do squat for the commnity, imagine what he could "have not" done for his country.
    Much like what he's doing now. Nothing.
  • strawberry rightside 2012/11/02 21:56:37
    strawberry
    President Obama graduated Columbia University in N.Y.C., 1981-1983, AB, political science major, with-international relations focus, then worked four years for International Corporation a New York Public Interest Research Group.

    "After four years living in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer He worked for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP) a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland on Chicago's far South Side. During his three years as the DCP's director its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenant's rights organization in Altgeld Gardens. Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation."
    http://www.biography.com/peop...
    http://www.biography.com/peop...
  • rightside strawberry 2012/11/02 22:22:21
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    You're reading a bio. You're not looking for the truth. bama is taking credit for things he didn't do.
  • Swampdog rightside 2012/11/05 03:11:27
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    +1
    As usual.
  • rightside Swampdog 2012/11/05 20:33:55
    rightside
    +1
    Oh so true
  • Swampdog 2012/10/31 21:17:19
    I DON'T WANT A DRAFT DODGER AS MY AMERICAN PRESIDENT.
    Swampdog
    +5
    We've had several, Clinton, Obama, Hillary, just pick a democrat and you are pretty much guaranteed that they have dodged the draft.
  • strawberry Swampdog 2012/10/31 21:51:14
    strawberry
    +1
    Dick Cheney was a draft dodger, and President Bush was given an exception for wealthy, to get out from going to Vietnam, on a list for TX. Air National Guard, though he did not do much flying, and later on was relieved. I apply this to all who run for U.S. President. This is not a certain party issue.
  • Swampdog strawberry 2012/10/31 22:17:28
    Swampdog
    +1
    Jimmy Carter was an Annapolis graduate in physics no less and was a submarine sailor. He was the only democrat I ever voted for. I think the author of this question want's to expose Mittens as a draft dodger, even though Mormons are pacifists.
  • Kookiel... Swampdog 2012/11/01 01:21:23
  • strawberry Kookiel... 2012/11/01 01:28:43
    strawberry
    +1
    A country cannot survive on all Capitalism. We need a mixture of Socialistic programs also in times of dire need.
  • Swampdog strawberry 2012/11/04 21:35:47
    Swampdog
    Japan does just fine with no social programs.
  • Swampdog Kookiel... 2012/11/04 21:34:34
    Swampdog
    Better than being a Kenyan, Muslime, communist.
  • Kookiel... Swampdog 2012/11/04 22:00:41
  • Swampdog Kookiel... 2012/11/05 01:35:40
    Swampdog
    Never been any proof of that. If the little bassturd was a christian and a capitalist, he wouldn't be a democrat, do you ever think before writing? Are you currently institutionalized?
  • Kookiel... Swampdog 2012/11/05 02:50:37
  • Swampdog Kookiel... 2012/11/05 03:01:54
    Swampdog
    Most religious president was Clinton? Wonder what Vincent Foster and Ron Brown would say about that? Your 'most religious' president was directly involved in the murder of these two men.
  • Kookiel... Swampdog 2012/11/05 03:09:20
  • Kookiel... Swampdog 2012/11/01 01:22:23
  • ScoutLdr 2012/10/31 11:33:13
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    Because President Obama and Vice President Biden had such outstanding military service records, I must vote for them!! Wait a minute, that's right they both never served, oh nevermind! By your own logic strawberry neither Obama or Biden or qualified to hold their positions. You Progressives and your non sequiturs!
  • strawberry ScoutLdr 2012/10/31 21:56:32
    strawberry
    That is not the only reason to not vote for Mitt Romney. Romney twists lies, such as Jeep being sold to China, Romney put on a hypocritical relief campaign packing some boxes of canned goods which Red Cross has a policy not to take; it is too costly for them to sort this stuff all out. Romney is all false. I trust President Obama.
  • ScoutLdr strawberry 2012/12/04 05:08:24
    ScoutLdr
    How insipid are you, Strawberry? You live in the most Progressive state in Union. By your Governor own account California a mess, yet you want the country to follow the same course, how stupid is that?
  • ☆stillthe12c☆ 2012/10/31 07:10:02
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    Where were you when Clinton ran for office?
  • strawberry ☆stillt... 2012/10/31 21:51:53
    strawberry
    I did not vote for Clinton.
  • sandra smith 2012/10/31 01:25:22
    I DON'T WANT A DRAFT DODGER AS MY AMERICAN PRESIDENT.
    sandra smith
    +4
    As a vet, unequivocally NO; the last 2 we've had have been UNQUALIFIED FAILURES as CIC's and another doesn't appeal to me at all; in fact, I believe we need to amend the Constitutional requirements for the office to include SOME military service as a requirement for the job. Doesn't have to be "combat"; everyone learns enough of the basics to understand how it works and what it's LIKE!
  • ☆FritzW☆ 2012/10/31 00:38:54
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    +6
    So was Clinton.. and Romney was on missionary. Not like he was running to Canada like some in protest of the war! And certainly, after seeing what Obama is like in handling the military and protecting our interests as in LIbya.. I'm thinking Romney can do a much better job!
  • King of Gummy Bears 2012/10/31 00:25:43
    I DON'T CARE MITT ROMNEY WAS A DRAFT DODGER.
    King of Gummy Bears
    +4
    Bill Clinton was too so whats the friggin' point
  • Vision of Verve 2012/10/30 21:39:36 (edited)
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