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Tasine 2012/06/19 14:42:09
I vote for voluntary taxes!
No, we cannot have voluntary taxes because some things would go unfunded!
I never pay taxes anyway, so what do I care?
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All the talk about a "fair" tax plan as though ANY mandatory tax could possibly be called "fair". If what people want is a "fair" tax, it must be a voluntary tax because every other one is not a freely given one - it is one demanded by the government with threat of fine or jail, and that tax dollar will be used any way the government chooses to use it - even if it harms the citizens in more ways than merely reducing their usable income for their own needs.

I propose making federal taxes voluntary, with each taxpayer supporting those issues he wants to see his money used for, and by law the feds MUST use it that way.

Progressives would probably support the EPA, US Dept of Health, welfare, etc.

Conservatives would support the military and infrastructure, as well as preservation of the Constitution.

Libertarians would support all actions that promote liberty.

Each group would have what he wants to the degree he wants it. The budget would be LIMITED to what the citizens sent in in their voluntary taxes. There would be no overspending, and Congress itself would make no decisions that utilized the money we send in for specific programs.

If enough was not collected to pay for any particular item, that item would not be funded. It is the only fair tax I can even imagine. All other taxes use force in collecting, and many of us want a country that does not FORCE everything on us , using OUR money, and using it against our will. I contend they do not have the moral authority to do this. Legal, yes.

In effect, this would be the taxpayers writing the budget, increasing spending, decreasing spending, etc.

When we voluntarily accept being serfs of our own government, we must accept all the problems we've been seeing all too clearly lately. Our government has used our hard earned dollars improperly, wastefully, and wantonly - and have bankrupted the nation.

Tell me and try to make me believe that the taxpayer citizens cannot do better managing their own money and deciding on the federal "budget" which is never a real budget - OBVIOUSLY!
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  • Elleryqueen 2012/06/19 22:44:02
    I vote for voluntary taxes!
    Elleryqueen
    Support the things that interest you and that you may have need of. Could also be state run with x amount going to the government for defense.

    This type of tax may or may not work.

    Keep in mind that indian men did the hunting, fishing, fighting, etc. Women, sorry ladies, did all the work and no taxes. We tried to improve THAT?
  • Striker 2012/06/19 21:59:04
    I vote for voluntary taxes!
    Striker
    +1
    If you don't want it and don't need it and won't use it, why should you be forced to pay for it?

    This "fair tax" kick is the one beef I have with Gary Johnson. With that all "voluntary" disappears.
  • Schläue~© 2012/06/19 15:24:16
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    Schläue~©
    +2
    I'm all for the ONLY taxes to be collected, be done so by the states themselves and the ONLY thing sent to the Federal govt. be for defense and whatever the new limited govt would need to operate.

    Social Security and Medicare would be a puzzle to figure out, enduring that those who have paid in, don't get royally screwed. Outside of that, we did it before 1913 and proved that it CAN be accomplished.
  • Tasine Schläue~© 2012/06/19 15:26:21
    Tasine
    +1
    Now, THAT I could live with! Thanks. ;-)
  • TruBluTopaz 2012/06/19 14:52:55
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    TruBluTopaz
    +1
    There are things that require tax revenue. Defense is necessary. Roads are necessary. But there are other departments that seem to only be invested in perpetuating themselves or enforcing social policy. I like the Flat tax because then everyone has a stake in success or failure. How it is now those who don't pay don't care if the government overspends because they don't have to pay into the kitty. There are also advocates that think rather than having employment taxes deducted that people should have to write a check to the government every month. I will never forget when my youngest son got his first paycheck and wanted to know who FICA was and why they were taking so much of his money.
  • Tasine TruBluT... 2012/06/19 15:25:05
    Tasine
    I appreciate your wanting some change, but the flat tax, the VAT, in fact ALL taxes that are not voluntary will be raised to meet all the additional stuff the government wants, and it will always want a lot because people are paid based on how much their department does or does not do, based on the head honcho's thinking. Government will continue to grow because there is incentive for it to grow and no incentive for it to not grow. Your flat tax may be 8% today, but in a few years it will be as high as 30%, and when that isn't enough, it will rise to 50%. It will ALWAYS rise, NEVER will it recede because there is no incentive for it to.
  • Roger47 2012/06/19 14:45:58
    No, we cannot have voluntary taxes because some things would go unfunded!
    Roger47
    +1
    People are too selfish. They would never pay taxes if it were up to them to pull out their checkbook and write a check.
  • Tasine Roger47 2012/06/19 14:58:16
    Tasine
    You really think that about Americans? My experiences have been that when there is a need, Americans give until they can give no more. Additionally, this would essentially be akin to sitting on a board of a huge company - we would ACTUALLY have a say in where our country goes.

    I wonder if you fear that since people wouldn't be supporting YOUR favorite thing, your favorite thing would go unfunded. The answer is "yes", and properly so. If Americans don't want it, who is the government to force it on us?

    It would be a way of getting Americans to make responsible decisions, a way to feel like they have some control over their own lives as well as over the government it pays for. I can foresee great, great things happening.

    I hope that one day Americans will begin to wake up, see what is going on, and THINK about how things could/should be different. I think about half of us have done this, and the other half never will.

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