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Would You Vote for Bill Clinton Over Barack Obama?

Chris D 2012/09/06 19:00:00
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Former president Bill Clinton stole the show Wednesday night at the Democratic National Convention, which is exactly why President Obama was hesitant to include him in the program. Clinton was also very critical of Obama in 2008 when he was in the run-off with Hillary, so there was some bad blood being put to bed last night. Americans seem to still be enamored with Bill Clinton. He is a very eloquent speaker, and has the ability to get people focused on the big picture items. If you had to vote for either Bill Clinton or Barack Obama for president, who would you pick?

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  • JackoClubs Schläue~© 2012/09/10 09:17:07
    JackoClubs
    +2
    It was worse with Kennedy. Imagine keeping Marilyn Monroe's presence under wraps?
  • Schläue~© JackoClubs 2012/09/10 09:31:59
    Schläue~©
    +3
    RFK was seen riding around in a limo just blocks away from the bungalow MM was found in the next morning.
    It's pretty sick what both of them did to her just to add notches on their belt.

    Mary Jo Kopechne was a campaign worker for RFK and Dead Ted preyed on her after the assassination.
  • DavidK angelbaby 2012/09/10 04:42:04
  • angelbaby DavidK 2012/09/10 04:55:14
    angelbaby
    +2
    Roflmao! What a very true description ~
  • JessDeCristo 2012/09/08 17:15:57 (edited)
    No, I'd still vote for Obama.
    JessDeCristo
    +1
    I never voted for either one, ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? , Billy boy got off the hook with MONICA when everyone knew he was guilty as hell, he got caugth with his pants down, his charisma saved him. Would you buy a used car from either one ? He;s the original FAST WILLY , Billy-Billy-Billy-Oh-well-boy...
  • Wesloco 2012/09/08 17:05:44 (edited)
    No, I'd still vote for Obama.
    Wesloco
    +1
    Clinton did a good job in his day but the world is very different today that it was in the 90s and Obama is the best man for the job today!
  • terrabytes 2012/09/08 15:36:42
    Yes, it's all about Bill!
    terrabytes
    +1
    Yes I would, if that were my only choice
  • J.MaisOui 2012/09/08 14:08:26
    Yes, it's all about Bill!
    J.MaisOui
    hell, yes.
  • Farnsworth 2012/09/08 11:23:08
    Yes, it's all about Bill!
    Farnsworth
    +3
    Neither. But in a hypothetical world where the two abusers in chief could run against each other, Bill. Hands down
  • Wesloco Farnsworth 2012/09/08 17:08:21
    Wesloco
    What do you mean by "abusers in chief?"
  • Farnsworth Wesloco 2012/09/08 21:15:03
    Farnsworth
    +1
    abuse of power. Bill wasn't as bad as Obama, but ......
  • Wesloco Farnsworth 2012/09/08 22:31:32
    Wesloco
    But that's my question, how did either abuse power?
  • Farnsworth Wesloco 2012/09/09 00:40:12
    Farnsworth
    +2
    If you can't see the power grab Obama's been doing, then there is no need for any further discussion.
  • Wesloco Farnsworth 2012/09/09 13:30:32
    Wesloco
    +1
    That's what I thought, you got nothing. (-:
  • Farnsworth Wesloco 2012/09/09 15:12:38 (edited)
    Farnsworth
    thats what I thought another uninformed, don't care Demodrone
  • Wesloco Farnsworth 2012/09/09 15:43:43
    Wesloco
    Not at all, I made no claim, it was you that said the president is making a power grab and all I did was ask you for substance and you are unable to provide any. Your claim is hollow, plain and simple.
  • Farnsworth Wesloco 2012/09/09 21:45:40 (edited)
    Farnsworth
    since your to stupid to google or too much of a drone to even look, here are just a few:

    Obama’s power grabs are designed to implement his ideological goals, no matter whether they violate his oath of office. November can’t come soon enough.

    1. Immigration

    By declaring that he will no longer deport most young illegal immigrants, Obama is refusing to follow congressionally passed immigration bills signed into law by earlier presidents. For a constitutional law professor, Obama seems to have forgotten that a presidential administration is supposed to administer the law, not pick and chose which ones to enforce.

    2. Fast and Furious

    With Obama asserting executive privilege to keep Fast and Furious documents hidden, one has to wonder what the administration is hiding. Why risk a contempt of Congress charge against the attorney general unless the material is politically explosive? The president’s action was reminiscent of Richard Nixon, but no one died at Watergate.

    3. Drones

    Where is the anti-war left, which was so incensed when President George W. Bush indefinitely detained terrorists but are nearly mute over Obama personally targeting drone victims? The drones aren’t just killing terrorists but also are claiming numerous civilian victims and Obama has deemed that any males near the sele...

































































    since your to stupid to google or too much of a drone to even look, here are just a few:

    Obama’s power grabs are designed to implement his ideological goals, no matter whether they violate his oath of office. November can’t come soon enough.

    1. Immigration

    By declaring that he will no longer deport most young illegal immigrants, Obama is refusing to follow congressionally passed immigration bills signed into law by earlier presidents. For a constitutional law professor, Obama seems to have forgotten that a presidential administration is supposed to administer the law, not pick and chose which ones to enforce.

    2. Fast and Furious

    With Obama asserting executive privilege to keep Fast and Furious documents hidden, one has to wonder what the administration is hiding. Why risk a contempt of Congress charge against the attorney general unless the material is politically explosive? The president’s action was reminiscent of Richard Nixon, but no one died at Watergate.

    3. Drones

    Where is the anti-war left, which was so incensed when President George W. Bush indefinitely detained terrorists but are nearly mute over Obama personally targeting drone victims? The drones aren’t just killing terrorists but also are claiming numerous civilian victims and Obama has deemed that any males near the selected target are fair game for slaughter. It makes Guantanamo look like the more humane option.

    4. Obamacare

    Obama and congressional Democratic leaders ignored the wishes of the American people and passed into law a highly partisan and unpopular health care bill. The way Obamacare was enacted into law stretched the boundaries of legislative maneuverings by doling out goodies to fence-sitting congressmen. Now there is word from the White House that even if the Supreme Court overturns the law, the president will implement much of it by executive order.

    5. Defense of Marriage Act

    The Defense of Marriage Act is another area where the Obama administration is deciding which laws to enforce and ignoring ones it doesn’t like. Signed into law by President Clinton, the law defines marriage for federal purposes as the legal union of one man and one woman. Apparently enforcing that law is not popular with the president’s campaign donors.

    6. Recess appointments

    Most presidents make a recess appointment or two during their time in office, but Obama’s method of implementing the practice circumvents the Constitution. The law allows the chief executive to install an official without Senate approval when the chamber is not in session. But when Republicans kept the Senate officially open by scheduling informal sessions during a break, Obama went ahead and made his appointments anyway.

    7. Ideological appointments

    If personnel is policy, then it should come to no one’s surprise that president’s agenda tilts solidly to the left. Instead of simply looking for the best person to do the job, Obama populated his administration with left-wing ideologues, often drawn from academia and the activist community, meant to advance a progressive agenda. How else to explain Labor Secretary Hilda Solis or Energy Secretary Steven Chu?

    8. Executive orders

    Obama has signed 128 executive orders, making his own laws by bypassing Congress. The orders have ranged from the futile (closing the Guantanamo Bay terror prison), to the hypocritical (ending torture of terrorists while escalating the drone program, killing them instead.) It is Obama’s favorite method of ignoring laws he doesn’t like (immigration, see No. 1, and DOMA, see No. 5.). He used it to allow states to bypass the No Child Left Behind requirements. Someone, please give this man a copy of the Constitution.

    9. Emergency powers

    One of Obama’s executive orders deserve special mention: “National Defense Resources Preparedness.” Stunning in its scope, the order gives the president the power to essentially take over the nation’s industrial and technological base in case of a national emergency. Remember, this is the president who doesn’t like to waste a good crisis (see Emanuel, Rahm, 2009).

    10. Global groups

    Obama is fond of ceding U.S. powers to multilateral organizations like the United Nations, World Bank, International Monetary Fund, and NATO. His “leading from behind” during the Libyan conflict is a case in point. Instead of allowing Congress to perform its constitutional duty to declare war, Obama asserted the U.S. military into the conflict through NATO, with the military alliance calling the shots over U.S. troops.


    Clinton's Power Grab Through Executive Order
    By Phyllis Schlafly

    Faced with a Republican Congress unwilling to grant him all the powers he wants, Bill Clinton has unleashed a blizzard of Executive Orders to grab new authority for the executive branch, make broad public policy changes, and even restructure our governmental system.

    Executive Orders have a proper place in federal rulemaking and in implementing the routine business of the executive departments. But Clinton has discovered that Presidential Executive Orders function in a Never Never Land of almost unlimited power, and he is pressing the envelope to move his agenda, both domestic and foreign.

    Clinton advanced three of his favorite goals when he issued Executive Order (EO) 13107 on December 10. He increased executive branch authority, he moved America closer into the "web" of treaties, which he promised in his address to the United Nations on September 22, 1997, and he rewarded the feminists who are standing by him in his impeachment trial.

    EO 13107, entitled Implementation of Human Rights Treaties, sets up an Interagency Working Group, with representatives from major federal departments, to implement our alleged "obligations" under the many United Nations treaties on human rights "to which the United States is now or may become a party in the future."

    Clinton's impudence in presuming to implement treaties that the Senate has refused to ratify is becoming characteristic. Congress had to pass legislation last year to forbid him from using funds to implement the Global Warming Treaty, which the Senate won't ratify.

    The first treaty listed in EO 13107 is the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which was adopted by the UN in 1966, signed by Jimmy Carter in 1977, and ratified by the Senate during George Bush's Administration in 1992. Aggressive implementation of this treaty can open up a can of worms in regard to our First Amendment rights, criminal law, and unique system of federalism.

    The treaty's repeated references to the elimination of sex discrimination are just what the radical feminists want in order to "implement" their exotic judicial interpretations of sex. The treaty's Article 23 even binds governments "to ensure equality of rights and responsibilities of spouses during marriage," one of the UN "rights" to be monitored by the Article 28 "Human Rights Committee" on which the United States may have only one out of 18 members.

    Among the unratified UN human rights treaties that could be "implemented under EO 13107 is the International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights. The Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Bush Administrations all rejected this treaty because it refuses to recognize one of the most fundamental American economic rights, the right to own property.

    This UN treaty would bind us "to take steps," including "legislative measures," to the "maximum" of our resources in order to achieve "full realization" of "adequate food, clothing and housing" of everyone in the world. It would bind us "to ensure an equitable distribution of world food supplies in relation to need."

    The unratified UN Convention on the Rights of the Child would bring about massive UN interference in family life, education, daycare, health care, and standard of living. Article 43 sets up a committee of ten UN "experts" to monitor the raising of children and our "progress" in complying with the treaty's "obligations."

    The UN Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) would require us to follow UN/feminist dictates about "customs and practices," "social and cultural patterns of conduct of men and women," "family education," and even revision of textbooks. The Clinton Administration has already started implementing this unratified treaty through the project launched after the 1995 UN Conference on Women called "Bring Beijing Home."

    The term Executive Order does not appear in the Constitution, but the President's authority derives from his Article II, Section 3 power to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed." The validity of particular Executive Orders has often been questioned, but neither Congress nor the Supreme Court has defined the extent of their power, and courts have rarely invalidated or even reviewed EOs.

    President Franklin D. Roosevelt proclaimed a national emergency and issued wide-reaching Executive Orders, notably his 1933 bank holiday and prohibition on private possession of gold, but those orders were subsequently ratified by Congress. The notorious EO 9066, under which some Japanese-Americans were interned during World War II, was subsequently upheld by the Supreme Court under FDR's war powers.

    In 1952, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down Harry Truman's EO 10340 to seize the nation's steel mills. In 1996, the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit invalidated Clinton's EO 12954, which attempted to prohibit federal agencies from doing business with companies that had permanently replaced strikers.

    Clinton attempts to insulate his Executive Orders against judicial review. He included a clause in EO 13107 declaring that it "does not impose any justiciable obligations on the executive branch."

    It's time to stop Clinton's unprecedented use of Executive Orders to implement ratified and unratified treaties. Our freedom and independence are at stake.

    there you go drone, read if you can see with yourt head stuck in the sand.
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  • Wesloco Farnsworth 2012/09/09 23:58:03
    Wesloco
    So which of the items you listed above are not within the scope of executive privilege? You may not agree with what the president has done but each and every item you listed is within the confines of the presidents powers. "W" did some things that were nearer to a power grab under the guise of fighting terrorism but still they were within his prescribed powers. If you're looking for a president who made a power grab you have to go back to the 70s and research a guy named Richard Milhous Nixon!
  • Farnsworth Wesloco 2012/09/10 13:30:18
    Farnsworth
    Nixon was 10x better that Obama. At least Nixon resigned for the "good of the country" after his misdeeds, which I consider far less egregious, Fast and Furious ring a bell princess.

    GWB may have made smaller moves that were seen as major by the likes of you and the media, but nothing like the great leaps Obama has taken.

    Oh and by the way peaches, your liberal buddies have in formed me many times that " he did it first" is not an excuse. So you can toss that crutch away and try to walk on your own kitten.
  • Wesloco Farnsworth 2012/09/10 23:23:37
    Wesloco
    Nixon resigned because he knew he was going to be impeached and would face criminal charges. He was saved only because when Gerald Ford took office he pardoned him for the good of the office but poor Ford it cost him the presidency. Nixon was a crook, Obama's only crime is that he is black!
  • Farnsworth Wesloco 2012/09/11 13:29:45
    Farnsworth
    "Obama's only crime is that he is black!"

    and there we go, finally have an insight to you thought process.
    If you disagree with Obama, you are a racist.

    So I will take the converse, despite everything he has done, it's OK because he's black.

    LOL

    bye loser.
  • Wesloco Farnsworth 2012/09/12 02:50:13
    Wesloco
    Why are you so upset because I point out a legitimate observation? Nixon was a criminal and you said his crimes were simply "misdeeds" yet you accuse President Obama of a power grab. I think your overreaction to my comment and observation say a lot more about your feelings towards the essence of this president than you care to admit. Peace out man!
  • john ri... Wesloco 2012/09/12 01:07:33
    john richardson
    How about too big to fail law do you remember that law? or now he can kill an American citizen if the president thinks he is a threat, are u aware of what he just did to Gibson Guitar or firing the CEO of Gm dude he's your guy so u won't see any of it
  • Wesloco john ri... 2012/09/12 02:56:41
    Wesloco
    So you're saying the nation would be in better shape if all the banks would have failed? Is that what you're saying John? You're nonsense about the president killing American citizens just because he thinks they're terrorist is just that, nonsense! You know that is unconstitutional and the president would be impeached and charged with murder if what you said was true. As much as the RWNJs wnt to claim that the president ignores the Constitution everybody knows that if he were to violate it the other branches would check him. You guys are a riot with all this nonsense you spew! (-:
  • Beverly 2012/09/08 10:49:27
    Yes, it's all about Bill!
    Beverly
    +4
    Bill is very lacking in morals but as president he was not out to destroy America as Omaba's is so I would vote for him. However there are also millions of other people in this Country on both sides of the party that I would vote for before Obama.
  • Wesloco Beverly 2012/09/08 17:09:20
    Wesloco
    How come you say Obama is out to destroy America?
  • Beverly Wesloco 2012/09/08 19:42:43
    Beverly
    +1
    If you do not understand why we have had unemployment over 8% for his time in office, gas being doubled in price, turning our backs of Israel, more people on food stamps than any time in history, having spent more money than all presidents together and weakening our military was not by accident but by a very calculated plan to destroy the Country we love than you need to pay closer attention to what he is doing.
  • Wesloco Beverly 2012/09/08 20:40:16
    Wesloco
    Beverly do you really think a President McCain would not have borrowed to initiate a stimulus? If not borrowing would he have ended the Bush tax cuts? Do you think unemployment would be under 8% with a President McCain? Would you then accuse a Presidnt McCain of destroying America? I do question your assertion that we have turned our back on Israel. What evidence do you have for that statement?
  • Pete 2012/09/08 08:50:13
    Yes, it's all about Bill!
    Pete
    +2
    Four years ago I would have said without reservation that I would vote for Clinton. Now after he has called Obama an ' "amateur" according to the book of the same name by Edward Klein, and then turned around to endorse Obama, I have questions about Clinton's veracity and judgment. But he did do a good job of managing the economy, and Obama is running the country into the deepest depression in history. I would probably vote for Count Dracula instead of Obama. I would vote for anyone but Obama because a new presidential entiry would offer some hope. Obama offers the prospect of total economic collapse.
  • C-ZAR™, Emperor of the PHÆT 2012/09/08 08:22:38
    Yes, it's all about Bill!
    C-ZAR™, Emperor of the PHÆT
    +2
    Let's repeal the 22 amendment and get Bill a 3rd term!!! Lol
  • angelbaby C-ZAR™,... 2012/09/08 20:02:36
    angelbaby
    LOL!!!
  • seadog6608PWCM 2012/09/08 07:43:04
  • angelbaby 2012/09/08 07:19:18 (edited)
    No, I'd still vote for Obama.
    angelbaby
    +3
    At least Clinton was capable and willing to work with the house and senate! I'd actually vote for anyone but Obama ~

    DAMN ~ I clicked the wrong answer!
    vote obama clinton work house senate vote obama
  • Red_Horse angelbaby 2012/09/08 19:59:23
  • Bureauc 0webama 2012/09/08 06:19:04
    Yes, it's all about Bill!
    Bureauc 0webama
    +2
    With 309 Million people in this country there are roughly 308,999,900 people that would get my vote before 0bama would. About 99 others that would cause my to just stay home.
  • jsbustaman 2012/09/08 05:55:37
    No, I'd still vote for Obama.
    jsbustaman
    Obama/Biden 2012!
  • JACK jsbustaman 2012/09/08 18:38:49
    JACK
    +1
    Just keep those 99 weeks of UI coming, and the welfare checks and food stamps , right jsbustaman?
  • jsbustaman JACK 2012/09/12 09:20:21 (edited)
    jsbustaman
    No, I'm a retired US Navy veteran! I don't need any of these assistance benefits, thanks for asking?!
  • me being me 2012/09/08 05:51:10
    Yes, it's all about Bill!
    me being me
    +6
    Is there a third option? I'd really like one;-)
  • ReconMa... me bein... 2012/09/08 06:15:18
    ReconMarine~AVA/POTL/JLA/PWCM
    +4
    Best Answer So Far...lol~!!!

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