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Would you like God’s law to replace the godless constitutions of the Post-Christian world?

holyheretic 2011/05/06 08:45:05
Yes, I would like God’s law to replace the godless constitutions of the Post-Christian world
No, I like godless Constitutions more than I like God’s law
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  • irish 2011/05/06 10:58:58
    No, I like godless Constitutions more than I like God’s law
    irish
    +14
    "any god who uses small minded bigots to speak for it is not a god worth knowing"--jesper myrfors

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  • toni 2011/05/07 15:26:31
    I have another idea
    toni
    +1
    There are nearly 40,000 christian sects. Each one of those became a new sect because they thought the church they were attending wasn't properly interpreting god's law. If you want to replace the godless constitution with "god's law" which of those 40,000 theories do you want to define god's law?
  • Neko-chan 2011/05/07 08:21:36
    No, I like godless Constitutions more than I like God’s law
    Neko-chan
    +2
    it's better with none religion laws in a world with many differents belifes and just acept every one in sted of god's law when ther is other religions too.
  • holyher... Neko-chan 2011/05/07 08:35:35
  • KoAm 2011/05/07 05:58:08
    I have another idea
    KoAm
    +3
    You're making the mistake of assuming that God's law and the Constitution are mutually exclusive. Not a good thing, especially coming from a self-proclaimed "champion of logic and reason" secularist.

    Also, can you please cite the Constitutional article or section in which it declares itself to be a "godless" document?

    it was inspired and written by men who held clear, albeit different, religious beliefs. The fact that Jefferson had a problem with the idea of Christ's divinity doesn't mean he was "godless." And it certainly doesn't mean he was as hostile to, and intolerant of, religion as you are.

    In fact, I don't know that Jefferson would be happy with the fact that you constantly appeal to him in order to push your anti-religious bigotry.

    Above all, Jefferson loved freedom and devoted his public life to its pursuit.

    Your hostility to religion, meanwhile, has much less in common with him than it does with the Lenins, Maos, and Pol Pots of the world -- people who stood for anything BUT freedom in the Jefersonian sense. People who left a trail of bloodshed, oppression and death -- in the name of State Sponsored Atheism -- unparalleled in human history.
  • holyher... KoAm 2011/05/07 07:28:22
  • Decided... KoAm 2011/05/07 15:27:58
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    Wonderful, well-written comment IMO.
  • COMALite J 2011/05/07 05:19:40
    No, I like godless Constitutions more than I like God’s law
    COMALite J
    +3
    Believe it not, there are evangelical Christian theocratic groups that realize that the Constitution is godless.

    Check ’em out: America-Betrayed-1787.com!
  • BurntOf... COMALite J 2011/05/08 15:42:24
    BurntOffering
    Well Thomas Jefferson was obvioiusly one of them and that's why he said he Tremble in Fear after reflecting that GOD Is Just and the Almighty would take no side with them "us" in that contest. What a revolutionary turn of the Wheel to Hear; that As In Heaven so in Earth the Father of Jesus Christ is a FeMale; just like his mother in Earth. Oh.....had they considered the latter end"! Yeah they were suppose to Establish the law, but did they? .....Naw

    Yeah I said it; Our Father in Heaven is a FeMale whose fat and black as aunt Jemima grinning at us on the pancake box. Yep the Big Bang theory is True and its Her Black Hole or Heavenly body waters and womb all people come from, including Jesus Christ He/r only begotton son. I guess most Christian never thought that If GOD could have a Son using a normal virgin woman; GOD could also have a Daughter, using the Mother of Harlots (Rev. 1-9)
  • rightside 2011/05/07 04:30:14
    Yes, I would like God’s law to replace the godless constitutions of the Post-...
    rightside
    +2
    Tell me one thing that Jesus said that would not be a good thing.
  • COMALite J rightside 2011/05/08 23:47:41 (edited)
    COMALite J
    +1
    How about Luke 14:26?

    Oh, by the way, the Koine Greek word translated there as “hate” is “μισεῖ ” (“misei”), the Present Tense, Active Voice, Indicative Mood variant of “μισέω” (“miseō”), Strong’s Concordance #G3404. It has no other meaning than outright active hatred, with connotations of extreme hatred: to detest, to loathe, to despise, to abhor, to persecute. It does not mean “to love less in comparison.” Variants of that word appear a total of 42 times in the New Testament, in 38 verses as verses are marked in the KJV (some verses have it more than once), and every single time it very obviously means outright hatred or to hate. Ask me for a list if you don’t believe me.

    The same Greek word is the origin of the prefix “mis-” which, when applied to Greek-derived roots in English, means “hatred of” or “hater of” — e.g. “misogyny” = “hatred of women” and a “misogynist” is a “hater of women” (“gyne” = “woman” or “female,” as in “gynecologist”).
  • rightside COMALite J 2011/05/09 01:22:18
    rightside
    OK, I have an explanation, but let me get back to you tomorrow when I can give it the time it needs.
  • COMALite J rightside 2011/05/11 16:51:19 (edited)
    COMALite J
    You posted that two days ago. Your “tomorrow” is now yesterday. Still waiting…
  • rightside COMALite J 2011/05/11 19:08:55
    rightside
    Terribly sorry, got busy and then forgot which blog I was on. I do apologize.
    All Jesus was talking about there is where your claim to family is. Disregarding our life and following Him.
    It does not mean to hate ones family.
    Jesus talks about taking care of your parents and loving them. Added to that fact of Honoring they father and mother.
  • COMALite J rightside 2011/05/11 20:42:55 (edited)
    COMALite J
    +1
    Nice try, but no. He said that you have to hate your family. Those are the words that He said, and you are expressly forbidden from adding to or taking from even a single word of that to try to make it work (Deuteronomy 4:2 and Revelation 22:18–19, among others).

    If you try to claim that “μισέω” and its variants don’t necessarily always mean “hate” (or something directly related, e.g. “hateful”), then you need to show a counter-example: any other occurrence anywhere in any Koine Greek writing which uses that root or its variants yet obviously does not intend it to mean something related to “hate” will do.

    The New Testament won’t help you here. Sorry. Here is every occurrence — all 42 of them — of “μισέω” and its variants in 38 verses, other than Luke 14:26. Which of them would you say means something less than overt than hatred or to hate? (The word[s] translated from “μισέω” and its variants are boldfaced below. Underscore below merely indicates words that would be italicized in the KJV [we can’t do italics here on SodaHead™ for reasons which I’m unable to fathom], and which are not in the actual Koine Greek):
    • Matthew 5:43 — Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
    • Matthew 5:44 — But I say unto you, Love your enemies, ble...




































    Nice try, but no. He said that you have to hate your family. Those are the words that He said, and you are expressly forbidden from adding to or taking from even a single word of that to try to make it work (Deuteronomy 4:2 and Revelation 22:18–19, among others).

    If you try to claim that “μισέω” and its variants don’t necessarily always mean “hate” (or something directly related, e.g. “hateful”), then you need to show a counter-example: any other occurrence anywhere in any Koine Greek writing which uses that root or its variants yet obviously does not intend it to mean something related to “hate” will do.

    The New Testament won’t help you here. Sorry. Here is every occurrence — all 42 of them — of “μισέω” and its variants in 38 verses, other than Luke 14:26. Which of them would you say means something less than overt than hatred or to hate? (The word[s] translated from “μισέω” and its variants are boldfaced below. Underscore below merely indicates words that would be italicized in the KJV [we can’t do italics here on SodaHead™ for reasons which I’m unable to fathom], and which are not in the actual Koine Greek):

    • Matthew 5:43 — Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
    • Matthew 5:44 — But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
    • Matthew 6:24 — No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
    • Matthew 10:22 — And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
    • Matthew 24:9 — Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
    • Matthew 24:10 — And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
    • Mark 13:13 — And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
    • Luke 1:71 — That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
    • Luke 6:22 — Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
    • Luke 6:27 — But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
    • Luke 14:26 — If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. [Why is this one different from all of the others? Answer: because you Christians just don’t want to admit that it really does say what it clearly and plainly says! No other reason.]
    • Luke 16:13 — No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
    • Luke 19:14 — But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
    • Luke 21:17 — And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake.
    • John 3:20 — For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
    • John 7:7 — The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
    • John 12:25 — He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
    • John 15:18 — If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. [Note that I don’t count and didn’t boldface the second occurrence of “hated” in this verse, as it’s not in the Koine Greek but was added to complete the English grammar.]
    • John 15:19 — If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
    • John 15:23 — He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
    • John 15:24 — If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
    • John 15:25 — But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
    • John 17:14 — I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
    • Romans 7:15 — For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
    • Romans 9:13 — As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
    • Ephesians 5:29 — For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
    • Titus 3:3 — For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
    • Hebrews 1:9 — Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
    • I John 2:9 — He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
    • I John 2:11 — But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
    • I John 3:13 — Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
    • I John 3:15 — Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
    • I John 4:20 — If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
    • Jude 1:23 — And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
    • Revelation 2:6 — But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
    • Revelation 2:15 — So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
    • Revelation 17:16 — And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
    • Revelation 18:2 — And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.


    Again: other than Luke 14:26 itself, which of the boldfaced words above would you say means something less than overt than outright hatred or to hate?
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  • rightside COMALite J 2011/05/11 21:15:26
    rightside
    +1
    Jesus is telling people to make a choice. You cannot love and serve two masters.
    The rest is up to you. You don't want to believe me, so there is nothing left to say. I trust as I read my greek/hebrew dictionary that this is true.
  • COMALite J rightside 2011/05/12 00:17:00 (edited)
    COMALite J
    +1
    If that was what He meant, then He should’ve said so, and not used a word that only means intense hatred.

    What, is He not God? Does He not know the end from the beginning? Does He not know everything that will happen? Then did He not know that if He phrased it that way, that it would cause such confusion, and that you and I would be having this conversation nearly two millennia later?

    Oh, and whose Greek / Hebrew dictionary? I’ve found that many are untrustworthy. Title, publisher, year, and ISBN#, please.
  • rightside COMALite J 2011/05/12 16:07:55
    rightside
    +1
    Its a vine's.
    Why do you hate God so much?
    Yes, He does know everything. What in the bible hasn't been twisted?
    I'll go with God, and you go with you hatred and distrust.
    I'll only serve one master.
  • Sarah D. 2011/05/07 03:32:33
    I have another idea
    Sarah D.
    +2
    How about we all accept each other and each others' religions and beliefs and perspectives and get along? :S
  • holyher... Sarah D. 2011/05/07 05:05:59
  • KoAm holyher... 2011/05/07 06:02:13
    KoAm
    +4
    Remember, too, HolyHeretic, that the "separation of church and state" idea is meant to preserve religious freedom. It's meant to keep the government from meddling either with people's religious freedom, or with religious organizations' freedom to practice and propagate their respective faiths.

    People like you, however, have twisted "separation of church and state" into a bludgeon with which to bash religion and try to push it out of public life. Jefferson never would have stood for that. Think about that before the next time you appeal to him to push your anti-religion agenda.
  • holyher... KoAm 2011/05/07 07:30:48
  • BurntOf... KoAm 2011/05/07 23:38:56
    BurntOffering
    +1
    Remember also due to separation of church and state women in the united states are made into the Mother of Harlots, by sons of gun who still know not what they do or have done in the name of the Lord. The only question I have is Will America Respect their own Oaths that they all chose to swear on a KJV of the Holy Bible.
  • holyher... BurntOf... 2011/05/07 23:51:42
  • BurntOf... holyher... 2011/05/08 15:45:45
    BurntOffering
    I think GOD is Right and it doesnt matter to me; What name You call Her and I dont think it matters to GOD either, just as long as you call Her. So this Sonday I say; Happy Mother's Day GOD from you Lunatic or Moonday daughter.
  • dominic KoAm 2011/06/03 00:32:22
    dominic
    You are so right! No tolerance here! Keep these people in your prayers!
  • holyher... dominic 2011/06/07 08:26:05
  • suejkw 2011/05/07 02:05:38
    No, I like godless Constitutions more than I like God’s law
    suejkw
    +1
    Which 'god's law' are we talking about? Definitely NOT the Moslem god.The Christian god is only a little better.But,then,they're both based on PROVEN myths & superstitions so why bother?
  • holyher... suejkw 2011/05/07 05:06:43
  • mjollnir 2011/05/07 01:50:35
    No, I like godless Constitutions more than I like God’s law
    mjollnir
    +1
    much more.
  • Usti Waya BN-0 2011/05/07 00:09:07 (edited)
    No, I like godless Constitutions more than I like God’s law
    Usti Waya BN-0
    +3
    No, I am a firm believer in separation of Church and State, just the way our founding fathers intended. Religion is too violent and evil.
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  • holyher... Usti Wa... 2011/05/07 05:07:14
  • KoAm Usti Wa... 2011/05/07 06:05:16
    KoAm
    +3
    Excuse me, but religions cannot be violent. Only people can be.

    And in the VAST majority of cases when people are violent, religion has NOTHING to do with it. In fact, it is usually fueled by an absence of religion, not the presence of it.

    Case in point: the more than 100 million people just since the year 1917 who have been killed by Officially Atheist communist regiimes. Just in the last 90 or so years, State Sponsored Atheism has racked up a history of violence and murder unparalleled in human history.

    That's not an opinion, religion-hater. It's a documented fact.
  • holyher... KoAm 2011/05/07 07:32:58
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  • Decided... holyher... 2011/05/07 16:11:25
    Decided to Leave SH
    +1
    How humorously paradoxical...lol

    First this particular copy & pasted article regarding these villainous murderers attempts to hold critically responsible their religious-related education on forming the "structure" of the "I am right, you are wrong" dictatorial-type thinking in the minds of this infamous scum.

    Then in its first sentence of the ending paragraph there is the re-emphasizing that it is the foundational "structure" of one's thinking that leads to such insanity, e.g., "monolithic" thinking.

    And finally, within that last paragraph, it contradicts the thrust of its own message by telling people what they "should" do and to try to live thoughtfully on the "force" of evidence.....How funny.

    Evidence of what?

    The most, convincing evidence which I have witnessed in my 55+ years of life is the evidence that human beings who live with an opinion that the only "right" way to conduct one's life is through human secularism and evolutionary science are the MOST capable and exemplary of falling into utter human decadence with no purpose outside of pleasing self.

    Great post.
  • holyher... Decided... 2011/05/07 18:29:32
  • holyher... Decided... 2011/05/07 18:29:57
  • Decided... holyher... 2011/05/07 18:58:53 (edited)
    Decided to Leave SH
    +1
    I can't wait for a wikipedia page on apolitical, non-theistic religion.

    No real need for one, however.

    All wikipedia would have to do is post the same foundational characteristics, essential thinking patterns, and philosophical meanderings of the political "religions" and legalistic theistic religions.

    Humans are humans and by our naturally-flawed behavior we more easily than not screw up anything and everything regardless of the idealistic intentions.

    My opinion.
  • holyher... Decided... 2011/05/07 19:01:56 (edited)
  • Decided... holyher... 2011/05/07 19:12:00 (edited)
    Decided to Leave SH
    +1
    I do thank you for your numerous poll questions as they are most helpful in reinforcing and strengthening my personal faith in the Bible, the grace, and the justice of what I believe to be the eternal, living, Creator God of all.

    However, the numerous and repetitive, copy & pasted images and text do get a little monotonous IMO.

    Still, I hope you continue your polls.

    I do look forward to them when I happen to catch one.

    Gotta go for now.

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