Would you close down the education department in order to save on taxes
poet4justice
2012/06/14 13:59:40
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I have encounter a sticky situation with taxation and the american value that we, as American, hold so dear. And every time that I talked about taxation something else come along and they start saying thing like " I believe that we should have a lean government but don't touch the check of the military... "
But very much of what we believe in taxation are the core principle of the American Value and vice versa. So this is not a tricky question and it is plain curiosity. I just want to know where do we stop believing in the american value so that we can stop paying taxes to those American value that we choose to not to afford.
But very much of what we believe in taxation are the core principle of the American Value and vice versa. So this is not a tricky question and it is plain curiosity. I just want to know where do we stop believing in the american value so that we can stop paying taxes to those American value that we choose to not to afford.
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Andy 2012/06/14 14:27:26yes, close it down my money is better spend elsewhere
+10Shut it down at a Federal Level... each state has its own Education Department, and then there are the individual school districts and finally the admin of each school. TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT CONTROL...in education. Simplify and save money, and probably a better product!!
I've had a little experience in the private school area. I found them to be less effective because you can't fail a student as that costs revenue, you can't keep good people as they can easily find better paying jobs, the marketing department runs the whole thing. I stand by my statement privatization always results in higher cost and poored service. Look at Fedx compared to the post office. If I mail a letter via Fedx it cost $7 and gets there about the same time as if I mail a letter via USPS for 45 cents. Which is the better buy? Look at publicly owned utilities. Look at North Dakota with a state owned bank - best economy in the nation.
Natural resources are a key to their prosperity - during the last year.
Thank you for your response.
Removing the damnable unions would be a big help.
Their pay and benefits are WAY out of line for formulaic classrooms and PLENTY of days off.
They work less then 179 days per year, get well over average pay for 4 year college grads and nearly triple the benefits because they get NO cost to them retirement and healthcare.
AND THEY TURN OUT A LES THEN 100% SUCCESS RATE. Any employee with production as low as many fo them have would be FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your communist utopia doesn't play well in America.
Then there is all the unpaid overtime hours for grading papers, monitoring extra-curriculars and the like, finally it takes about 3 hours to plan each hour of class room activity. Yes, you can use some of those plans year after year. Better figure that in. I think you are grossly under-estimating the time a teacher works.
I wouldn't brag about requiring only 4 years of college.
Just what is low production. Everyone knows that standardized tests don't work. They cause harm by getting people to teach to the test. Kids learn less as a result. Would seem to me that doing the best with the supplies you get is the best measure of producti...
Then there is all the unpaid overtime hours for grading papers, monitoring extra-curriculars and the like, finally it takes about 3 hours to plan each hour of class room activity. Yes, you can use some of those plans year after year. Better figure that in. I think you are grossly under-estimating the time a teacher works.
I wouldn't brag about requiring only 4 years of college.
Just what is low production. Everyone knows that standardized tests don't work. They cause harm by getting people to teach to the test. Kids learn less as a result. Would seem to me that doing the best with the supplies you get is the best measure of productivity. How do you measure that. Think of it this way. If you give the best chef in the world a piece of old, poorly cut cheap meat that chef might be able to turn out an eatable and enjoyable dinner but it sure wouldn't be what the chef could do with a good cut. We hand our teachers a mixed bag of great cuts and well call it throw aways and expect them to turn out 100% rocket scientists. That isn't going to happen. In some cases they probably are working wonders by making a ditch digger.
So, pffttt, on that.
They get WAY more pay then the 5 day a week, 52 week a year victim services officer, and beyond double what police and fire get and they work FAR more hours and serve a more valuable purpose.
Low production indicates graduation rates which are less than 75% in most cities.
Thee middle school teachers COULD not teach the kids middle school basics and the kids got passed up anyway.THAT IS AN EPIC FAIL.
http://www.topix.com/city/cen...
So now we're down to 30 days from a regular work year. OK I'll accept that. I'll even accept that police and probably firemen, too should also be spending work time learning about the law. I still say you have to count time for training as work time with teachers and that you aren't counting that.
I've never said all teachers are good. Obviously, I don't think we are buying the best. We are getting what we are willing to pay for. Remember you get what you pay for. There aren't a lot of bargains out there.
But... I'd downsize it about 90% -- drop it from a cabinet post to a division/agency in HHS, scrap most of its functions, and move most of the ones kept to local governments.
Public education in the 1950's was better than it is now, and the biggest change has been federal interference. Anyone who thinks bureaucrats can manage educating our children is nuts.
Re your general statement, I'd cut every government department down, simplify the Tax Code (get rid of loopholes), eliminate most of the admin agencies (the "fourth branch of government"), make Congress responsible to constituents, and review and analyze every government function with an eye to making it lean and mean.
The Congressional budget for staff and expenses is $4.6 BILLION. And that's only what can be easily computed. Sure, it's a drop in the bucket compared to a cabinet dep't -- but is there one person here who WANTS to pay 2 Senators and 1 Rep $860K+ a year? Each.
Those skills will come in handy when anarchy rules.
Yes.. I'm being sarcastic... Perhaps we could spend more money educating, and less on trying to single-handedly save the planet. THEN, our smart educated children could find other ways, better then we have, to save the planet later on!
The military is voluntary, school is forced.
Then this answer - why should YOUR money be spent ANYWHERE else except where YOU decide?
FedGov should have NO control over individuals, their families, their lives, or their money. It's your money from your efforts for YOU to use for whatever is best for you.
Yes, end the DOE, then get to work on ending control by your states, your counties and your towns. Free Market competition always gives you the most for your money, without removing your Liberty.
they need to be taught truth. they need to be taught facts.
they do not need to be taught propaganda, and dogma
The next step for the Republicans, after they cut federal funding for public education will be to privatize education... contract it out to the lowest bidder, who will still charge you an outrageous price to educate your children, until the only people who will have even a basic education will be the rich... like in the good old days, they are always going on about... I don't know about anyone else, but I like the new days better
depts...Many of them are .just not necessary.... let locals make decisions....not feds in the beltway..... grassroot control....bark.
Always support state rights...not big fed ... bark