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Would you close down the education department in order to save on taxes

poet4justice 2012/06/14 13:59:40
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I have encounter a sticky situation with taxation and the american value that we, as American, hold so dear. And every time that I talked about taxation something else come along and they start saying thing like " I believe that we should have a lean government but don't touch the check of the military... "
But very much of what we believe in taxation are the core principle of the American Value and vice versa. So this is not a tricky question and it is plain curiosity. I just want to know where do we stop believing in the american value so that we can stop paying taxes to those American value that we choose to not to afford.
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  • Andy 2012/06/14 14:27:26
    yes, close it down my money is better spend elsewhere
    Andy
    +10
    Shut it down at a Federal Level... each state has its own Education Department, and then there are the individual school districts and finally the admin of each school. TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT CONTROL...in education. Simplify and save money, and probably a better product!!

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  • Delicio... Mel the... 2012/06/15 00:20:16
    Deliciously Melicious
    +1
    Indoctrinated how? What is being taught that is considered indoctrination, and I'd like proof please.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/14 20:56:10
    No, don't close it down I want my kid educated
    Lady Whitewolf
    +5
    Get rid of the FED
    Get rid of the IRS
    Defund NATO
    MINIMUM WAGE for our lawmakers - NO perks either.
    END ALL FOREIGN AID.

    bet it would save a bundle!
  • sbtbill Lady Wh... 2012/06/14 23:45:29
    sbtbill
    Getting rid of the FED would cost money.

    Getting rid of the IRS would reduce revenue.

    Defunding NATO would mean defunding the Pentagon. That might be dangerous.

    Minimum wage for lawmakers, tiny savings and they just get more from lobbyist - probably a good way to increase bribery.

    End foreign aid, OK now we have to pay rent for all those bases or spend extra money occupying all those places. What do you think we don't get something for our money? Probably cost us more..
  • Iamfree Lady Wh... 2012/06/15 18:47:10
    Iamfree
    +1
    Lady Whitewolf for President!
  • Lady Wh... Iamfree 2012/06/15 20:38:11
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    Thankies!
  • john Kills 2012/06/14 19:23:19
    yes, close it down my money is better spend elsewhere
    john Kills
    +4
    Education would be better off if handled at the state level.
  • Flowers 2012/06/14 19:16:17
    No, don't close it down I want my kid educated
    Flowers
    +3
    No offense but your post doesn't make much sense to me. What does the american value have to do with education?
  • poet4ju... Flowers 2012/06/15 00:58:47
    poet4justice
    the issue is that if education is truly an american value and we are willing to put more money or more taxation then we as american would surely would want to have better education because we want our kid to be succesfull, On the other of the coin, those who do not value education don't want to pay education in taxes, making the american value on the education a society in decline.
  • brutusin~ Proud Apetheist 2012/06/14 19:13:09
    No, don't close it down I want my kid educated
    brutusin~ Proud Apetheist
    +5
    Dull witless idiots vote yes to less education. Is it too much work or are they that dumb?
  • oldlady brutusi... 2012/06/14 21:25:49
    oldlady
    +1
    Dumb from a lack of education :/
  • Iamfree brutusi... 2012/06/15 18:49:15
    Iamfree
    I assume you were educated by the public education system since you can't even begin a debate without name calling.

    You missed the point. We don't say "yes to less education." We say yes to getting rid of the Dept. of Education. It is worthless. Education should be handled at the state and local level where it belongs.
  • brutusi... Iamfree 2012/06/15 19:55:51
    brutusin~ Proud Apetheist
    No it should not be handled at the state and local levels. That introduces too many variability's and then gives advantages to some states and disadvantages to others. Impoverished states will not be able to fund their education as well as some other states makeing for undereducated kids that will not be able to compete in an economy.

    Yes the system needs to be fixed but it doesn't need to be removed.
  • Iamfree brutusi... 2012/06/18 22:22:10
    Iamfree
    The Department of Education is not needed to get funding to schools. It didn't even exist until 1979, and schools have continued to decline ever since.
  • Charles E 2012/06/14 18:51:49
    yes, close it down my money is better spend elsewhere
    Charles E
    +3
    Close it down because there is no Constitutional justification for having it AND because it moves control of what should be a local function to the Federal government.

    Besides which it imposes requirements on local schools that it does not pay for.

    And it is a failure at acheiving what it claims it exists for, improving education.
    Decline in educational outcomes and growth of the Department of Education are almost exactly matched.
  • Charles E Charles E 2012/06/14 18:53:04
    Charles E
    If it acheived what it promises taxes would not be a problem.
  • Deliciously Melicious 2012/06/14 18:33:17
  • Charles E Delicio... 2012/06/14 18:54:35
    Charles E
    +2
    Check the decline in education and the growth of the Department of Education.
    The corelation might shock you.
  • Delicio... Charles E 2012/06/14 18:56:00
    Deliciously Melicious
    +6
    Check the decline in education and the hours that parents work, both parents. The correlation might shock you.
  • Charles E Delicio... 2012/06/14 19:25:10
    Charles E
    Also true. Thank you for your comment.
  • Lady Wh... Delicio... 2012/06/14 20:56:57
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    Couldn't have said it better....
  • oldlady Delicio... 2012/06/14 21:33:39
    oldlady
    +1
    You were right, shocking AND frightening that so many would come into this post against education.
  • John Duffee 2012/06/14 18:30:31
    No, don't close it down I want my kid educated
    John Duffee
    +6
    Education is peanuts compared to our military pork.
  • rustyshackelford 2012/06/14 18:13:33
  • Charles E rustysh... 2012/06/14 19:01:30
    Charles E
    +1
    To see how federal total control of education works, check out the schools on any Indian Reservation.
  • lauren dull 2012/06/14 17:58:41
    yes, close it down my money is better spend elsewhere
    lauren dull
    +3
    We have been throwing money at the education systems for decades and it has got much worse. We need to do something about the lousy teachers and the unions that keep and protect them. It doesn't take a teachers degree to figure this out. But our government is incapable to run the country let alone the schools.
  • Biggitybay 2012/06/14 17:47:51
    yes, close it down my money is better spend elsewhere
    Biggitybay
    +4
    Who are these people at the Department of Education? These people make decisions on what and how our children learn everyday and the public doesn't have any input on who makes these decisions. Questionable people like Kevin Jennings, Obama's safe school czar, aren't voted and vetted to make these types of decisions for the masses. The DOE definitely needs to be done away with as it is a giant, bureaucratic, ineffective, wasteful and illegitimate mess.
  • susan 2012/06/14 17:37:39
    yes, close it down my money is better spend elsewhere
    susan
    +2
    My real answer is, once again on SH questions, neither or other. Education is one of those issues that was originally left to the states, not a function of the federal government. Today, the states play along as the federal government funnels taxpayer money back to the states for educational purposes as long as the states and local school boards do as they are told with it.
    Leave education to the states, please.
  • Steve Rogers 2012/06/14 17:31:20
    yes, close it down my money is better spend elsewhere
    Steve Rogers
    +4
    Remember that little fiasco, some call the Civil War, some call the War between the States. Know what the key motivator was for the South? States Rights. They wanted the states to have more say and the Feds to have less. How many of you were/are pro Federal (Blue/North)? Look at where we are now. Taken a little time, but that stance has come back to bite you in the .......... Real education Real life Real expectations
  • Charles E Steve R... 2012/06/14 19:13:04
    Charles E
    Excellent explanation of why we have a problem and why DoE is NOT the solution!
  • Adakin Valorem 2012/06/14 17:25:31
    yes, close it down my money is better spend elsewhere
    Adakin Valorem
    +3
    Education is a state and local issue. It is NOT a Constitutional function of the federal government. That said, if you go back and look at national SAT scores from before the creation of the DOEd and compare those stats with the current scores, you can quickly see the decline in the scores as the federal gov't imposed its "uniform" regs on the various states.

    Sure states like SC, AL and MS were at the bottom of the ladder, but there were excellent schools in California, NY and NJ... and those school systems were the ideal for which others could emulate. But today, with uniform mandates and regulations that stifle experimentation in trying to do better, our overall scores have drifted down. Free the schools to do what each state wants to do, and let the local state citizens be responsible for paying for what they want.
  • LarryFine 2012/06/14 17:22:29
    yes, close it down my money is better spend elsewhere
    LarryFine
    +3
    Part of propaganda central and it needs to go.
  • Charles E LarryFine 2012/06/14 19:14:10
    Charles E
    +1
    I stated several objections but totally forgot this very important one.

    Thanks for the reminder.
  • Lanikai 2012/06/14 17:19:55
    yes, close it down my money is better spend elsewhere
    Lanikai
    +3
    Get rid of the BOE. Get rid of any federal involvment in schools, let states decide education issues, AND do away with state boe's/

    Have a forum once a year to decide changes and curriculums. Hire teachers on contract only, subject to review or change or termination based on student performance.

    Treat the schools like a private school, and only have the sports or extra subjects that parents are willing to help pay for.

    Being able to fire teachers and admin folks that are ineffective si the best way to fix education.
  • JJ 2012/06/14 17:09:52 (edited)
    yes, close it down my money is better spend elsewhere
    JJ
    +3
    Right now, I don't care if they close down the school system as a whole througout America. Why...because we don't need government telling our kids thay can't sing a great song, ' God bless the usa,' or say a prayer to God, etc, nor do we need homosexuals teaching our kids perversion and flith in schools and saying its good and right and that we shouldn't condem then for this...God does. And so should we.
    Homeschooling is the way to go or schooling on the computer [ if its just reading, writing and aritmatic, etc...no perversion of any kind ]. Our country is going backwards and we need to pray, get back with God and stand against the evils of satan.This is where we're at folks, Isaiah 5: 20-21 Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil.
  • Kane Fernau 2012/06/14 17:04:34 (edited)
    yes, close it down my money is better spend elsewhere
    Kane Fernau
    +5
    The Department of Education was founded in 1980 by Jimmy Carter. Since it's inception grades and schools have been on the decline. Democrats love big government and wasted social spending.
  • Tinka123 2012/06/14 16:59:58
    yes, close it down my money is better spend elsewhere
    Tinka123
    +3
    I would close it down for reasons completely separate from taxation - but the end result would be the same. Done and done.
  • Charles E Tinka123 2012/06/14 19:06:05
    Charles E
    +1
    Like failure to achieve it's stated goal of improving education?
    Right on!
  • Tinka123 Charles E 2012/06/14 19:35:56
    Tinka123
    +1
    Precisely!
  • sbtbill 2012/06/14 16:56:51
    No, don't close it down I want my kid educated
    sbtbill
    +4
    I think it is more important then the department of defense.
  • whitewulf--the unruly mobster 2012/06/14 16:35:46

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