Would the US be Safer if Everyone Concealed and Carried?
MarcusRP
2012/07/23 04:20:28
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Marissa Garreffa 2012/07/23 05:01:48
But if more people did I think criminals would think twice about robbing people.
Robert A. Heinlein
In 1982, the Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed a law requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm with ammunition.
The ordinance states the gun law is needed to "protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants."
Then-councilman J.O. Stephenson said after the ordinance was passed, everyone "went crazy."
"People all over the country said there would be shootings in the street and violence in homes," he said. "Of course, that wasn't the case."
In fact, according to Stephenson, it caused the crime rate in the city to plunge.
Kennesaw Historical Society president Robert Jones said following the law's passage, the crime rate dropped 89 percent in the city, compared to the modest 10 percent drop statewide.
"It did drop after it was passed," he said. "After it initially dropped, it has stayed at the same low level for the past 16 years."
And the cowardly sheep will bleat: "OH YEAH?! Well what about the *VIOLENT* and *CRAZIES*?!"
If they're are a menace to society, whether due to criminal behavior or mental defect: They should *NOT* be walking our streets as a *FREEMAN*, they should be locked up until such time that they are no longer a menace to society.
Disarming the law-abiding, simply make crime easier for criminals.
"False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; what would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils, except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm those only who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, the most important of the code, will respect the less important and arbitrary ones, which can be violated with impunity, and which, if strictly obeyed, would put an end to personal liberty - so dear to men, so dear to the enlightened legislator - and subject innocent persons to all the vexations that the guilty alone ...
And the cowardly sheep will bleat: "OH YEAH?! Well what about the *VIOLENT* and *CRAZIES*?!"
If they're are a menace to society, whether due to criminal behavior or mental defect: They should *NOT* be walking our streets as a *FREEMAN*, they should be locked up until such time that they are no longer a menace to society.
Disarming the law-abiding, simply make crime easier for criminals.
"False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; what would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils, except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm those only who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, the most important of the code, will respect the less important and arbitrary ones, which can be violated with impunity, and which, if strictly obeyed, would put an end to personal liberty - so dear to men, so dear to the enlightened legislator - and subject innocent persons to all the vexations that the guilty alone ought to suffer? Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.. They ought to be designated as laws not preventive but fearful of crimes, produced by the impression of a few isolated facts, and not by thoughtful consideration of the inconveniences and advantages of a universal decree."
--Cesare Beccaria, On Crimes and Punishments 87-88 (H. Paulucci transl. 1963).-- (Thomas Jefferson copied this passage in full in his Commonplace Book 314 (G. Chinard ed. 1926), which was "the source book and repertory of Jefferson's ideas on government." Id. at 4.)
Robert A. Heinlein
Where has your belief in: "The more helpless you are when attacked with deadly intent, the *SAFER* you are" actually saved lives? Columbine? Virginia Tech? Fort Hood? Luby's?
Listen. Point Blank: The rifle has existed for around 600 years. Modern pistols (revolvers and on) have existed for 176 years. Our gun rights have existed for 221 years. How long has it been since these freak atrocities have been occurring? Only in the past 20 or so, I'd say. The problem is not with the law. The problem is with our society and it's decaying moral compass and foul lack of principle. The problem is with people. And if people are this charged up to be doing things like this (senseless rampage) then they ARE GOING TO DO THEM REGARDLESS of whether there are guns or not. And people who REALLY want guns are going to acquire guns REGARDLESS of whatever gun control laws they put into effect. In case you haven't noticed other places in the world they run into crowds with bombs strapped to their chests. Imagine if a man ran into a crowd with a big sword or a friggin battle axe instead. People are despicable and they're going to act out their insanity upon the rest of us no matter what we do at this point. The only SURE fire way of counteracting this kind of behavior is through scrutiny and education. And when I say education I mean we NEED to be instilling good principles and conviction within our young people. Because at this juncture very few of them even know what those things are.
Every year, the children are being indoctrinated to be more passive sheep.
That's why in public schools, when bullies attack the weak, the school punishes the assailants and the helpless victims equally.
In days gone by, the bullies would be punished or even *REMOVED* from the schools.
Why is this "so important"? Because it is training the people *NOT TO RESIST TYRANNY*.
Example: We have been told by the media, that the Columbine murderers were just "children who were bullied, until one day they just 'snapped'!"
This is a lie.
The Columbine murderers were *CONVICTED FELONS*!
*CONVICTED FELONS* that a year before, had made *DEATH THREATS* against one of their previous victims, that was so clearly laid out, a judge ordered law enforcement to search their homes for guns and other weapons.
Had this court order been followed, the "Gun Free Zone" massacre at Columbine wouldn't have happened.
But law enforcement ignored the court order, and the rest is history.
The Gabby Giffords slaughter of unarmed victims, wouldn't have happened, if the victims had accepted personal responsibility for their own protection.
But despite the victims being allow...
Every year, the children are being indoctrinated to be more passive sheep.
That's why in public schools, when bullies attack the weak, the school punishes the assailants and the helpless victims equally.
In days gone by, the bullies would be punished or even *REMOVED* from the schools.
Why is this "so important"? Because it is training the people *NOT TO RESIST TYRANNY*.
Example: We have been told by the media, that the Columbine murderers were just "children who were bullied, until one day they just 'snapped'!"
This is a lie.
The Columbine murderers were *CONVICTED FELONS*!
*CONVICTED FELONS* that a year before, had made *DEATH THREATS* against one of their previous victims, that was so clearly laid out, a judge ordered law enforcement to search their homes for guns and other weapons.
Had this court order been followed, the "Gun Free Zone" massacre at Columbine wouldn't have happened.
But law enforcement ignored the court order, and the rest is history.
The Gabby Giffords slaughter of unarmed victims, wouldn't have happened, if the victims had accepted personal responsibility for their own protection.
But despite the victims being allowed to both carry guns and carry them concealed: *NO ONE AT THE SHOOTING WAS ARMED, EXCEPT THE MURDERER*!
And again: Sheriff Dupnik's department *KNEW* about Loughner, but *IGNORED* the many complains of Loughner's death threats, and even his drug charges were dropped.
The people have been systematically trained to be cowardly sheep, and to depend on Government to protect them.
Cowardice has allows the slaughter we've seen to take place.
I knew about the Loughner guy being ignored but I did not know the Columbine shooters were left so proven yet unchecked. That makes me mad.
And you are 110% correct about the indoctrination of our youth. My Aunt and My cousin are both teachers. They are PROGRAMMED, insanely authoritarian jerks. I can't even stand to be around them, because they can't help but take every opportunity they find to make jabs at others and display their authoritarian programming. And as a result, my cousin's son (10 yrs old) is a programmed little wimp. He is afraid of EVERYTHING. Short example: My brother was with them at a family reunion type gathering. One of the relatives (a State Trooper) brought out a John Deere 'Gator' and was going to let the kids take turns learning to drive it. After 2 hours of prodding and trying to convince the kid to try it out, he gets on it, sees the mandatory manufacturer sticker that says that states that drivers should be 16 and up and instantly jumps off of it and REFUSES to even get back on it. Also, he was too wimped out to even ride a zipline made FOR THE KIDS that hung at a mere 6 feet off the ground.
I tell the victims to *FIGHT BACK* , strike and focus on *ONE POINT* of the assaiant and try your best to destroy it! DO NOT stop kicking, kneeing, punching and elbowing them, even if they "GIVE UP!", until you are *PHYSICALLY RESTRAINED* by adults!
I had one female principal toactually jump up from her desk and *SCREAM*: "HE WILL BE SUSPENDED IF HE DOES THAT!"
I looked at her and asked: "And what will *YOU DO*, if he simply continues to takes the beatings like a good little sheep?"
You could have heard crickets as she swallowed a few times.
She got this odd look on her face, and at nearly a whisper said: "Suspend him."
This child, who had been the victim of numberous attacks prior, was never bullied again. (In honesty: He had been capable of fighting back all along, but he'd been sucked into the "Be a Victim" idiocy of public indoctrination.)
You have pointed out so very clearly, why shootings like at the theater in Colorad happen: It's the indoctination of cowardice.
You might find "Raging Against Self Defense: A Psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality" By Sarah Thompson, M.D. interesting.
Because the dirt bags with mayhem & murder on their minds already carry without regard to the multitude of laws.
I like the sound of that!