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Would the Buffett Rule on taxation help or Hurt the Economy?

bob 2012/04/16 16:02:37
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  • Racefish 2012/04/16 16:22:28
    The Buffett Rule on taxation would have no effect on the Economy
    Racefish
    +6
    Since it would raise less than $500,000,000.00, the affect would be negligible since it's so bad now. That is just a way for the Democrats to demonize the rich and further class envy and warfare.

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  • bob kmay 2012/04/16 21:38:10
    bob
    vulture capitalism maybe vulture capitalism
  • kmay bob 2012/04/16 22:57:32
  • bob kmay 2012/04/20 14:19:52
    bob
    Oh my GOD it's another Fake GOP outrage
  • kmay bob 2012/04/20 14:21:27
    kmay
    Only in your delusion. Facts are there on the net. Do your homework!
  • love america 2012/04/16 20:28:04
    The Buffett Rule will make Ronald Reagan roll over in his grave
    love america
    +1
    All this IDIOTS who give NO'OBAMA money for re-election are filthy RICH ,George Cloony comes to mind,no poor people can afford to give away money ,their is no reason for them to give money to have this moron for a second term,he made them poor or poorer.No country in this world who can exist without RICH people even in former Soviet Union the bastion of communism the top ,who can still and kill were Rich and most of the people are poor.All what he sad its just to make a war and divide the country and its a shame.LOVE YOU AMERICA,the best country in the whole world.If you poor at list you stand a chance to move up and its only possible in this country.PLEASE,ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUFFET OWES MILLIONS IN BACK TAXES TO IRS!
  • bob love am... 2012/04/16 21:39:16
    bob
    whine whine whine oh and pretend that only you can love America. fruitcake
  • love am... bob 2012/04/26 16:22:12
    love america
    I DO LOVE AMERICA,NOT LIKE YOU POT SMOKING,GOVERNMENT DEPENDENT IDIOT.PLEASE,GET A JOB AND MOVE OUT OF YOUR PARENTS BASEMENT.STOP TAKING THE CRAZY PILL,BECOME A PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY the best country in the whole world.LOVE YOU AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!
    BUFFET SHOULD PAY WHAT HE OWES,AND OBAMA SHOULD BE ONE TERM COMMUNITY ORGANIZER!
  • OPOA912 2012/04/16 20:16:00
    The Buffett Rule on taxation would hurt the Economy
    OPOA912
    +3
    Who is really going to get hurt on this? The middle class and tax payers who don't have an army of tax attorneys to keep them from paying higher taxes. The small business guy will have no choice but to pass on the cost to the consumer. Duh!! Does anyone in Washington reallly understand how business works??????
  • Ron in Oregon 2012/04/16 19:51:56
    The Buffett Rule on taxation would have no effect on the Economy
    Ron in Oregon
    +2
    The Buffett rule is stupid, it will barely pay for a few days of interest on the debt that Obama has racked up.
  • TimothyBrianFoley 2012/04/16 19:15:57
    The Buffett Rule on taxation would have no effect on the Economy
    TimothyBrianFoley
    +2
    you will see no change except how the rich and the poor live sorta like communism without the marches
  • syl 2012/04/16 19:03:10
    The Buffett Rule on taxation would have no effect on the Economy
    syl
    +2
    It wouldn't help because of the trillions in national debt, caused by Obama's bum leadership of our country. Let him stop giving away billions of dollars to practically every country on the planet-especially the Arab countries that are not our allies, that harbor terrorists, bent on destroying OUR country! Does that add up to you?

    Then there's the horrible mismanagement of our country's wealth-not just currency, but oil, & other natural resources. Reports say we could be self dependant on our own oil, within a few years, or sooner, and not dependant on foreign oil. So why aren't we doing it? Does it make sense to you to spend $4.00-$5.00 a gallon at the pump, for foreign oil products, when we could be spending half that, if it was our own? Why doesn't Obama fix this problem? He never does!

    So the Buffett Rule would be like throwing pennies down a wishing well.
  • Ron in ... syl 2012/04/16 19:54:04
    Ron in Oregon
    You are right on.
  • syl Ron in ... 2012/04/17 17:25:02
    syl
    Thanks Ron.
  • Patriot Unit 2012/04/16 18:49:57
    The Buffett Rule on taxation would have no effect on the Economy
    Patriot Unit
    +2
    It would not even put a dent in the overs and mindless pending that the Democrats have pushed for the last decade and even further back. They continue to play the divide and prosper game. Dividing the gullible, To keep them in power. Its really disgraceful and disgusting. But hey who ever claimed that politics was fair and equal. Lying is lying no matter how you disguise it.
  • Denny 2012/04/16 18:44:23
    The Buffett Rule on taxation would hurt the Economy
    Denny
    +3
    Of course it's going to hurt the economy. And all the sheepies that go out to buy the next technical wonder phone because without investment don't look for much thats new and forget the jobs that it would have created.
  • J-DUB 2012/04/16 18:18:22
    The Buffett Rule on taxation would help the Economy
    J-DUB
    +4
    In the past when this country had higher tax rates in the rich the country was in good fiscal shape.
  • Lady Wh... J-DUB 2012/04/16 20:21:54
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    exactly
  • big T 2012/04/16 18:05:54
    Undecided
    big T
    I find it interresting how Obama pays less taxes then anyone else in the nation and say the rich people need to pay higher taxes. I suppose that excludes Obama himself right. Obama, like Buffett, pays lower tax rate than his secretary
    Comments
    By David Jackson, USA TODAY Updated 27m ago
    President Obama awards Warren Buffett the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
    CAPTIONBy Carolyn Kaster, APIt turns out that President Obama also pays a lower tax rate than his secretary, just like billionaire investor Warren Buffett.

    That's one of the reasons Obama backs the so-called Buffett Rule, the subject of a Senate debate today, aides said.

    "That is the point of the Buffett Rule," said White House spokesman Jay Carney. "The tax code should not be written in a way that allows the wealthiest Americans to pay taxes at a lower rate than middle-class Americans."

    The Senate is scheduled to vote later today on the Buffett Rule, which would require millionaires and billionaires to pay at least the same tax rate as middle-class Americans, somewhere around 30%.

    It is likely to be blocked by Republicans who call the plan nothing more than an election year gimmick.

    The proposal is named for Buffett because he too has protested paying a lower tax rate than his secretary.

    Obama himself would not q...











    I find it interresting how Obama pays less taxes then anyone else in the nation and say the rich people need to pay higher taxes. I suppose that excludes Obama himself right. Obama, like Buffett, pays lower tax rate than his secretary
    Comments
    By David Jackson, USA TODAY Updated 27m ago
    President Obama awards Warren Buffett the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
    CAPTIONBy Carolyn Kaster, APIt turns out that President Obama also pays a lower tax rate than his secretary, just like billionaire investor Warren Buffett.

    That's one of the reasons Obama backs the so-called Buffett Rule, the subject of a Senate debate today, aides said.

    "That is the point of the Buffett Rule," said White House spokesman Jay Carney. "The tax code should not be written in a way that allows the wealthiest Americans to pay taxes at a lower rate than middle-class Americans."

    The Senate is scheduled to vote later today on the Buffett Rule, which would require millionaires and billionaires to pay at least the same tax rate as middle-class Americans, somewhere around 30%.

    It is likely to be blocked by Republicans who call the plan nothing more than an election year gimmick.

    The proposal is named for Buffett because he too has protested paying a lower tax rate than his secretary.

    Obama himself would not qualify for the Buffett Rule, which would apply only to people who make more than $1 million in a particular year.

    The president and first lady Michelle Obama reported adjusted gross income of $789,674 for 2011. They paid out $162,074 in federal tax -- a rate of 20.5%.

    One reason for the relatively low rate: The Obamas donated about 22% of their income to charity.

    The Democratic-run Senate may be able to forge a majority for the Buffett Rule, but the GOP has the numbers to filibuster.

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and other Republicans say Obama and the Democrats should focus on jobs rather than on arbitrary take hikes on job creators.

    Likely Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney -- and a target of the Buffett Rule push -- says Obama is trying to divide Americans.

    "The new source of division is to say, 'let's find the very most successful in our country and say they're bad guys,'" Romney said at a recent campaign stop. "'Go after 'em. And let's divide America.'"
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  • bob big T 2012/04/16 19:04:31
    bob
    Actually Romney pays a lower rate than Obama
  • Shirleywillow 2012/04/16 18:02:47
    Undecided
    Shirleywillow
    +4
    It will never be passed, so don't even fret about it.
    Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts would be a winner.
  • Mike 2012/04/16 17:37:39
    Undecided
    Mike
    +2
    From what I've heard, it wouldn't bring in enough money to offset the spending obama is doing, so I really don't think it would do much, if any, good except make liberals feel good.
  • Adakin Valorem 2012/04/16 17:32:25 (edited)
    The Buffett Rule on taxation would hurt the Economy
    Adakin Valorem
    +5
    Boob: "It now comes down to shared sacrifice for every American. Please take Mr. Stockman words to heart."

    Sounds to me like Boob wants Obama to manage the decay of our nation and its economy instead of orchestrate the growth and resurgence of it.

    The Buffett rule would confiscate just under $5 Billion from the approximately 4000 American Citizens that can be argued are the most successful and productive citizens in our nation's workforce.

    Their "punishment" would be to pay a "success" penalty for daring to do better than the rest of us. For daring to create jobs, daring to provide capital and investment that builds the infrastructure and economic activity that provides the goods and services that we all need and enjoy. Let's add ANOTHER layer of penalties upon the group that already is part of that top 20% of income earners that paid 70% of federal taxes in 2007, while earning just 60% of total pretax income, according to the CBO.

    Yup, let's reward the actions that we want, and let's punish the actions that we don't want. And let's use the tax code as our weapon. Reward those that fail, that are dependent, that cannot hold their own and to as to implement "fairness" let's make sure no one succeeds beyond that which we find acceptable.

    So Boob asks: "Would the Buffet...













    Boob: "It now comes down to shared sacrifice for every American. Please take Mr. Stockman words to heart."

    Sounds to me like Boob wants Obama to manage the decay of our nation and its economy instead of orchestrate the growth and resurgence of it.

    The Buffett rule would confiscate just under $5 Billion from the approximately 4000 American Citizens that can be argued are the most successful and productive citizens in our nation's workforce.

    Their "punishment" would be to pay a "success" penalty for daring to do better than the rest of us. For daring to create jobs, daring to provide capital and investment that builds the infrastructure and economic activity that provides the goods and services that we all need and enjoy. Let's add ANOTHER layer of penalties upon the group that already is part of that top 20% of income earners that paid 70% of federal taxes in 2007, while earning just 60% of total pretax income, according to the CBO.

    Yup, let's reward the actions that we want, and let's punish the actions that we don't want. And let's use the tax code as our weapon. Reward those that fail, that are dependent, that cannot hold their own and to as to implement "fairness" let's make sure no one succeeds beyond that which we find acceptable.

    So Boob asks: "Would the Buffett Rule on taxation help or Hurt the Economy?" Let's examine that issue. The Buffet Rule is to confiscate around $5 Billion from the approximately 4000 people that manage, oversee and create 70% of the economic production in this nation.

    $5 Billion...each year... Who would do you think would be better in investing that annual amount of investment? The 4000 people with a proven track record of success?

    Or the guy that brought you Solyndra solar panels, the Chevy Volt by the thousands stacked up on warehouse parking lots, wind farm bankruptcies, and a long list of other failures, paid for by your tax bucks?

    There are hundreds of examples of the "Stimulus" money "creating or saving" jobs at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars each. There's many examples of just a handful of jobs created after government's "investment of tens of millions of your tax dollars.

    So Boob wants to know if confiscating $5 Billion every year, from the most productive and innovative people in the nation, and giving it to the crony hacks, lobbyists and politicians that have a history of boondoggles and failure would "HELP" or "HURT" the economy.

    My answer is that "It Depends"... if Obama's objective is to create a society of dependency, a society of welfare beneficiaries that NEED government to provide for them...

    Then on Barry's planet, it would be MUCH better to let them keep take away the tools, i.e. the capital, that the producers among us need to keep producing.

    On the other hand, I never got a job from a poor or even a Middle Income person.
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  • syl Adakin ... 2012/04/16 18:52:12
    syl
    Thank you, well said.(and with proof!)
  • ETpro 2012/04/16 17:16:08
    None of the above
    ETpro
    +2
    It will help, but only moderately. It will allow us to keep a bit more money in the hands of middle class shoppers who spend nearly all they take in, and who are cash strapped now. Supply side solutions do not solve demand side problems, they make them worse,
  • belle 2012/04/16 17:14:07
    The Buffett Rule on taxation would have no effect on the Economy
    belle
    +3
    It has already been looked at and it is nothing, Just an Obama political tactic, that isn't working.

    IT IS A DUD!!!!!!!
    It is a dud
  • wtw 2012/04/16 17:11:10
    The Buffett Rule on taxation would hurt the Economy
    wtw
    +1
    I don't see it helping the economy! If it would help maybe that would be OK!
  • Pete 2012/04/16 17:10:25
    None of the above
    Pete
    +1
    It would do neither. It only help Ovomit spend more for vacation and golfing and that's the bottom line................ Peace be with you
  • CuresCancer 2012/04/16 17:10:00
    The Buffett Rule on taxation would hurt the Economy
    CuresCancer
    +4
    There are two possible results here:

    1- the feds get an extra $5 billion dollars. That's a half of one day's federal expenses.

    2- individuals keep the $5 billion. Just $1 million of that total sum could be used to start a new business that turns into a $5 billion dollar business. Facebook started with less. The effect of the $5 is multiplied many times as each employee and each vendor spends the money they receive and so on. In the end, $5 billion in taxes is collected.

    That was the effect of just one million dollars. IOW, the $5 billion left in the hands of its owners could produce many times the tax revenue as would be gained from taking it through taxes. In addition, hundreds of thousands of jobs could be created.
  • bob h. CuresCa... 2012/04/17 02:34:05
    bob h.
    Tell you what. Start turning things over. your sneakers, computers, shirts, toaster; when one says Made in USA, stop. All the rest is what happened to the tax producing jobs. And who bought that stuff, Obama? Buffet? nooooo, you bought it, you sent that money to China.
  • no no 2012/04/16 17:04:04
    Undecided
    no no
    Not really my choice, but chosen to make a point....somehow it seems impossible to stick to the rules or respond to the issues that are presented. And obviously the maker the implementer and at times the reviewer of the laws of this land get mixed up in our sentiment and opinions about who can do or did what. But things have not changed, this is the way that it really has been since the 'gilded age'..them that's got shall get. And each level of society gets, when they get, within their own little socioeconomic status. Some even move up the ladder to a higher tier.. But sitting on ones a$$ will not get anyone very far even with their own little environment. We are all different, some are more different than others, and some work at being different; and in some cases that can be a positive or negative. There is nothing more unequal than the attempted equal treatment of unequals. Classes, social, economic, warrior, etc, have existed since time immemorial. People have been brained washed to think they are entitled, to get from some and do what the hell they want to with what they are given. If someone can't afford so called luxuries, then do without. But don't buy them, or use them at others expenses. While the rich were getting richer in whatever fashion that the rules, gre...
    Not really my choice, but chosen to make a point....somehow it seems impossible to stick to the rules or respond to the issues that are presented. And obviously the maker the implementer and at times the reviewer of the laws of this land get mixed up in our sentiment and opinions about who can do or did what. But things have not changed, this is the way that it really has been since the 'gilded age'..them that's got shall get. And each level of society gets, when they get, within their own little socioeconomic status. Some even move up the ladder to a higher tier.. But sitting on ones a$$ will not get anyone very far even with their own little environment. We are all different, some are more different than others, and some work at being different; and in some cases that can be a positive or negative. There is nothing more unequal than the attempted equal treatment of unequals. Classes, social, economic, warrior, etc, have existed since time immemorial. People have been brained washed to think they are entitled, to get from some and do what the hell they want to with what they are given. If someone can't afford so called luxuries, then do without. But don't buy them, or use them at others expenses. While the rich were getting richer in whatever fashion that the rules, grey ares or otherwise, allowed them, others should not have been sitting idly by waiting for a trickle down or a hand out, rather than making concerted attempts to move in some direction on their own initiative.
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  • banzaibuckaroo 2012/04/16 16:49:12 (edited)
    All of the above
    banzaibuckaroo
    The Buffett Rule is only 2% more than what President Reagan instilled for the wealthiest American citizen, but their is exclusion that you can donated any amount of money. I'm not sure why the Republicans are fighting this, because there the ones who will benefit the most. I"m not a big Bill Maher fan, but past week Overtime had David Stockman (President Reagan's chief Budget director) and he said it best in the first two minutes of this clip.
    I hate saying this, but everyone; Democrat, Republicans, Independents, and tea partier will have a disagreement with Mr. Stockman on his statement, and it's pretty obvious the Tea party commentator didn't like it very much at all.
  • Tom 2012/04/16 16:40:24
    The Buffett Rule on taxation would help the Economy
    Tom
    +1
    Folks have to understand how the Republican Congress in 1913 sold the idea of Income Tax to the public. Like always, they had a secondary plan from the beginning. They sold the idea that speculators and barons were draining the wealth from America with their large market speculation, and so they said they would impose a tax on them for income that would make the ultra rich pay their fair share. They sold the idea that they should tax them 90% on any income over $70,000 (considering the average American was making @$500-$600/year), except they still didn't get an Constitutional Amendment passed by 2/3rds of the States as required, yet they established the IRS anyway. Reminds one of what GW did with the twin illegal wars in our time, doesn't it? The thing the Republican Congress didn't make clear was that with the Fed, which they also managed to shove down the American people's throat, would plan for expanding the money supply (IE: Inflation) and over time more and more people would end up under the tax laws, even if that money was worth less than it was because being backed by promises and a more paper was available. In other words, they set us up and in the process also passed laws that allowed for the ultra rich to bury their money in trusts that never paid a penny in taxes, which was the plan from the beginning.
  • Racefish 2012/04/16 16:22:28
    The Buffett Rule on taxation would have no effect on the Economy
    Racefish
    +6
    Since it would raise less than $500,000,000.00, the affect would be negligible since it's so bad now. That is just a way for the Democrats to demonize the rich and further class envy and warfare.
  • bob Racefish 2012/04/16 16:25:46
    bob
    whine whine whine whine
  • compufreek bob 2012/04/16 16:57:45
    compufreek
    +3
    (Raspberry)
  • Evil 1 bob 2012/04/16 17:02:24
    Evil 1
    +3
    Truth hurts doesn't it boob?
  • compufreek Racefish 2012/04/16 16:57:30
    compufreek
    +2
    Well said!!!!
  • Racefish compufreek 2012/04/16 17:41:35
    Racefish
    Thank you. As a former owner of B/H stock, I can honestly say I wouldn't buy it again. I can see the way the managemnet has been following trends and acting like the tader barons they are.
    As an example, a few years ago when oil peaked and fuel prices went up, they bought into the railroads. People who saw this also bought into the stock and B/H sold making a nice little bundle.
    Of course, old QWarren will never vote for a Republican, and was one of the major contributors for Ben Nelson. Nelson if you remember was the senator who cast that 60th vote preventing Obamacare from being filibustered. B/H has major investments in the insurance industry so it fits why he voted that way.
    Now that he's not running, Bob Kerry is returning and running for his old seat. I respect Bob for his service to our country, but we don't need another Democrat rubber stamp that's already said he likes and would support Obamacare, and the Cap and Trade idiocy. That we definitely don't need.
  • bob h. Racefish 2012/04/17 02:43:50
    bob h.
    Only $500 mil? Ever 2 posts, the total goes down. By Friday, it'll be a subsidy.
  • Racefish bob h. 2012/04/17 15:17:10
    Racefish
    Either way it's a moot point now. The Senate couldn't get a 60 vote positive on it and you know the House would never pass it.

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