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Would Countries Collapse After Oil Vanishes?

News 2010/06/09 03:00:00
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It’s hard to ponder the end of oil when tens of millions of gallons of the stuff is sloshing around in the Gulf of Mexico thanks to the disastrous BP oil spill. But this is the kind of things scientists think about and in a new article by researcher Jorg Friedrichs in Energy Policy magazine, entitled “Global Energy Crunch: How Different Parts Of The World Would React To A Peak Oil Scenario,” Friedrichs ponders how countries will deal if (or when) oil supplies dry up and no adequate alternate source of energy are available to replace it.

Relax, the possible scenarios don’t sound like a Michael Bay disaster movie or a “Mad Max” future involving gas-robbing outlaws, but even the best case scenarios are not great.

Relying on “peak oil theory,” which suggests that oil production will soon start a terminal, irreversible decline, Friedrichs notes that several oil crises have occurred in the past, so it’s worth asking the “what if” question. While reactions would be different in different parts of the world, Friedrichs predicts that “increasing conflict over scarce energy would undermine the very foundations of the world-wide social, economic and political normalization processes” of the past few centuries.




He looks at how the possibility of resource shortages helped shape Japan’s imperialist strategy following WWI and how the disruption of subsidized oil from the Soviet Union in North Korea after the Cold War resulted in the elite living on as usual as hundreds of thousands died from hunger. Similarly, in the 1990s, when the Soviet Union stopped subsidized energy shipments to Cuba, Fidel Castro was forced to call a national emergency that devastated the national economy as factories lay idle, public transportation crumbled and unpredictable electrical outages gripped the island.

Unlike the famine that wiped out nearly 5 percent of the North Korean population, though, the Cuban people found a way to muddle through thanks to tourism, good weather and subsistence farming.

In other words, he argues, some countries might react to peak oil with predatory militarism like Japan (he predicts the U.S. and China are most likely to follow this path, along with less militarily robust countries like India or Israel), some might fall back on totalitarian retrenchment like North Korean and others may adapt like Cuba thanks to a strong community ethos. A recent New York Times article noted that some Americans are already prepping for the coming of peak oil by hoarding food and supplies in case things do go haywire.

Friedrichs also predicts that large oil companies like Exxon and Shell would lose ground to state-controlled companies, alternative energies like solar and wind could rise up to meet demand and rather than peak oil causing an immediate collapse, we should expect a painful adaptation process that could last a century or more.


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  • chaoskitty123 2010/06/09 09:41:04
    I think peak oil is …
    chaoskitty123
    +3
    Whatever. The revelation about Thorium being safe to use in our nuclear facilities is still not getting out. Nuclear scientists in the past discovered this element could be used to create nuclear energy... but it couldn't be turned into a weapon so they abandoned it. It was rediscovered over the past several years and is actually being used in some US nuclear reactors. It's so safe you can hold it in your hands which if you did that with uranium, it's a death sentence.Thorium is less dangerous, the waste can be handled without difficulty and even if an accident happens, it's possible very little effect would be felt.

    Solar power still hasn't been fully exploited and for all the talk of green energy, sending all the jobs promised to Americans to China all but guarantee's this is DOA because the workers building these new energy sources would be among the first to benefit from them and through word of mouth, they become the best advertising ploy available. Already, many who support green energy are expressing worry that the policy of shipping these jobs outside of America was the absolute worst thing our leaders could have done because past efforts to convert to clean energy sources failed for this very reason.

    I believe it's possible that alternative energies can be developed...
    Whatever. The revelation about Thorium being safe to use in our nuclear facilities is still not getting out. Nuclear scientists in the past discovered this element could be used to create nuclear energy... but it couldn't be turned into a weapon so they abandoned it. It was rediscovered over the past several years and is actually being used in some US nuclear reactors. It's so safe you can hold it in your hands which if you did that with uranium, it's a death sentence.Thorium is less dangerous, the waste can be handled without difficulty and even if an accident happens, it's possible very little effect would be felt.

    Solar power still hasn't been fully exploited and for all the talk of green energy, sending all the jobs promised to Americans to China all but guarantee's this is DOA because the workers building these new energy sources would be among the first to benefit from them and through word of mouth, they become the best advertising ploy available. Already, many who support green energy are expressing worry that the policy of shipping these jobs outside of America was the absolute worst thing our leaders could have done because past efforts to convert to clean energy sources failed for this very reason.

    I believe it's possible that alternative energies can be developed... but unless Americans are put to work creating them, I'm not buying into it unless i see a Made in the USA sticker on it and tens of thousands of Americans building them. This is supposed to be clean energy for Americans by Americans and just as environmentalists destroyed the San Joachim Valley, the green energy people largely looked the other way as our leaders sold us down a river on a leaky boat.
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  • The Electrician 2010/07/13 13:19:54
    I think peak oil is …
    The Electrician
    We don't need Coal or Oil, Period, end of case, over and out, done, finished.
    The world is living under an disillusion, especially America. Have a nice day !
  • Strato 2010/06/09 21:24:35
    Yes, we’re depleting our natural resources without planning for a sustainable...
    Strato
    We need to find betters ways to produce and recycle out energy and be more efficient about it. This will required the participation of not just a couple but several people and the help of everyone else if we are to start a transition as smooth and fast as possible.
  • krayzrick 2010/06/09 19:57:01
    I think peak oil is …
    krayzrick
    ... a viable concern. This is a partial list of things we use oil for.
    Solvents


    Diesel fuel


    Motor Oil


    Bearing Grease

    Ink


    Floor Wax


    Ballpoint Pens


    Football Cleats

    Upholstery


    Sweaters


    Boats


    Insecticides

    Bicycle Tires


    Sports Car Bodies


    Nail Polish


    Fishing lures

    Dresses


    Tires


    Golf Bags


    Perfumes

    Cassettes


    Dishwasher parts


    Tool Boxes


    Shoe Polish

    Motorcycle Helmet


    Caulking


    Petroleum Jelly


    Transparent Tape

    CD Player


    Faucet Washers


    Antiseptics


    Clothesline

    Curtains


    Food Preservatives


    Basketballs


    Soap

    Vitamin Capsules


    Antihistamines


    Purses


    Shoes

    Dashboards


    Cortisone


    Deodorant


    Footballs

    Putty


    Dyes


    Panty Hose


    Refrigerant

    Percolators


    Life Jackets


    Rubbing Alcohol


    Linings

    Skis


    TV Cabinets


    Shag Rugs


    Electrician's Tape

    Tool Racks


    Car Battery Cases


    Epoxy


    Paint

    Mops


    Slacks


    Insect Repellent


    Oil Filters

    Umbrellas


    Yarn


    Fertilizers


    Hair Coloring

    Roofing


    Toilet Seats


    Fishing Rods


    Lipstick

    Denture Adhesive


    Linoleum


    Ice Cube Trays


    Synthetic Rubber

    Speakers


    Plastic Wood


    Electric Blankets


    Glycerin

    Tennis Rackets


    Rubber Cement


    Fishing Boots


    Dice

    Nylon Rope


    Candles


    Trash Bags


    House Paint

    Wat...























































































































































    ... a viable concern. This is a partial list of things we use oil for.
    Solvents


    Diesel fuel


    Motor Oil


    Bearing Grease

    Ink


    Floor Wax


    Ballpoint Pens


    Football Cleats

    Upholstery


    Sweaters


    Boats


    Insecticides

    Bicycle Tires


    Sports Car Bodies


    Nail Polish


    Fishing lures

    Dresses


    Tires


    Golf Bags


    Perfumes

    Cassettes


    Dishwasher parts


    Tool Boxes


    Shoe Polish

    Motorcycle Helmet


    Caulking


    Petroleum Jelly


    Transparent Tape

    CD Player


    Faucet Washers


    Antiseptics


    Clothesline

    Curtains


    Food Preservatives


    Basketballs


    Soap

    Vitamin Capsules


    Antihistamines


    Purses


    Shoes

    Dashboards


    Cortisone


    Deodorant


    Footballs

    Putty


    Dyes


    Panty Hose


    Refrigerant

    Percolators


    Life Jackets


    Rubbing Alcohol


    Linings

    Skis


    TV Cabinets


    Shag Rugs


    Electrician's Tape

    Tool Racks


    Car Battery Cases


    Epoxy


    Paint

    Mops


    Slacks


    Insect Repellent


    Oil Filters

    Umbrellas


    Yarn


    Fertilizers


    Hair Coloring

    Roofing


    Toilet Seats


    Fishing Rods


    Lipstick

    Denture Adhesive


    Linoleum


    Ice Cube Trays


    Synthetic Rubber

    Speakers


    Plastic Wood


    Electric Blankets


    Glycerin

    Tennis Rackets


    Rubber Cement


    Fishing Boots


    Dice

    Nylon Rope


    Candles


    Trash Bags


    House Paint

    Water Pipes


    Hand Lotion


    Roller Skates


    Surf Boards

    Shampoo


    Wheels


    Paint Rollers


    Shower Curtains

    Guitar Strings


    Luggage


    Aspirin


    Safety Glasses

    Antifreeze


    Football Helmets


    Awnings


    Eyeglasses

    Clothes


    Toothbrushes


    Ice Chests


    Footballs

    Combs


    CD's & DVD's


    Paint Brushes


    Detergents

    Vaporizers


    Balloons


    Sun Glasses


    Tents

    Heart Valves


    Crayons


    Parachutes


    Telephones

    Enamel


    Pillows


    Dishes


    Cameras

    Anesthetics


    Artificial Turf


    Artificial limbs


    Bandages

    Dentures


    Model Cars


    Folding Doors


    Hair Curlers

    Cold cream


    Movie film


    Soft Contact lenses


    Drinking Cups

    Fan Belts


    Car Enamel


    Shaving Cream


    Ammonia

    Refrigerators


    Golf Balls


    Toothpaste


    Gasoline
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  • I'm History 2010/06/09 18:51:33 (edited)
    I think peak oil is …
    I'm History
    Ha, countries are collapsing now, and there is still plenty of oil, but they don't have the money to purchase it. And as time goes by those countries will have less and less money to purchase oil and they will be taken over by other countries, or corporations who do have the money and the world will become a smaller place with fewer and fewer small countries, and more larger countries, lol.
    Other forms of energy are out there, and proven to be efficent but then the big oil companies make sure those forms are kept down, and out of sight for the most part even though some are breaking away from the oil dependency, and toughing it out , most are staying with the proven method of energy, oil!
    years ago I remember reading about a guy in Michigan who invented a carburetor that got 50 to 200 MPG, and could be adapted to any american car, this was in the early 1970's. Texaco bought the patent from him for 6 million dollars, which was a huge fortune back then, and I never heard of it again, ever, to this day. Wonder what happened to that carburetor? Had alot of american cars put that carburetor on their cars the oil companies would have made billions less in gas sales, so lucky for them they bought the rights to that carburetor. And the man who invented it, i heard he bought a place ...
    Ha, countries are collapsing now, and there is still plenty of oil, but they don't have the money to purchase it. And as time goes by those countries will have less and less money to purchase oil and they will be taken over by other countries, or corporations who do have the money and the world will become a smaller place with fewer and fewer small countries, and more larger countries, lol.
    Other forms of energy are out there, and proven to be efficent but then the big oil companies make sure those forms are kept down, and out of sight for the most part even though some are breaking away from the oil dependency, and toughing it out , most are staying with the proven method of energy, oil!
    years ago I remember reading about a guy in Michigan who invented a carburetor that got 50 to 200 MPG, and could be adapted to any american car, this was in the early 1970's. Texaco bought the patent from him for 6 million dollars, which was a huge fortune back then, and I never heard of it again, ever, to this day. Wonder what happened to that carburetor? Had alot of american cars put that carburetor on their cars the oil companies would have made billions less in gas sales, so lucky for them they bought the rights to that carburetor. And the man who invented it, i heard he bought a place in some tropical place and is living real nice of his texaco millions, lol, that's just ONE example, I'm sure there are many, many more out there that we will never know about.
    And that's how the game is played in the world of Big Business, what you don't know has hurt you more that you will ever know!
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  • Common Sense 2010/06/09 17:57:04
    Yes, we’re depleting our natural resources without planning for a sustainable...
    Common Sense
    +1
    I think we need to focus less on the prospect of depleting our oil supply and more on using what oil we do have efficiently. That being said, if and when oil supplies do run dry we won't be half as prepared for it as we should be, because the oil industry won't allow us to use and/or rely on alternative energy sources.
  • Whyputa... Common ... 2010/06/09 21:17:26 (edited)
    Whyputaname
    +1
    {because the oil industry won't allow us to use and/or rely on alternative energy sources.}

    Bravo, your the first one to recognize that the oil companies are not willing to give up the almighty dollar.......I tip my hat!
  • MoonshineMotor 2010/06/09 17:45:18
    Yes, we’re depleting our natural resources without planning for a sustainable...
    MoonshineMotor
    However, if we give more funding to the process of making oil out of forrest waste, we will never run out. If we continue to extract it from the gound and not utilize alternatives, we will run out.
  • TheNightFly 2010/06/09 17:41:48
    Yes, we’re depleting our natural resources without planning for a sustainable...
    TheNightFly
    +1
    The scarcity of oil is not nearly as impending as the scarcity of other natural resources like minerals and metal ores. Unless we find an economically feasible means of recycling trash, the quality of life will gradually deteriorate and the incidence of home invasion, theft and murder will gradually rise until it exceeds the state's capacity to police it.
  • thnk4yrslf 2010/06/09 17:40:28 (edited)
    Yes, we’re depleting our natural resources without planning for a sustainable...
    thnk4yrslf
    Yes it will be chaos and a lot of currently wealthy countries who rely on oil sales will be in utter turmoil and revolutions. But there is hope. Look at where the most untapped oil is located. We here in America will be just fine for a few generations and by then we will not need oil and will have technologies that will make oil usage obsolete. We already have the technology but why use it now when there is still so much money to be made on oil?
  • Vive le Canada Libre!!! 2010/06/09 17:26:39
    I think peak oil is …
    Vive le Canada Libre!!!
    +1
    Many nations will descend into chaos.
  • Whyputa... Vive le... 2010/06/09 21:29:02
    Whyputaname
    Especially China........
  • Vive le... Whyputa... 2010/06/09 21:34:51
    Vive le Canada Libre!!!
    +1
    It'll be all out competition between the US and China to find any oil reserves that could be left in the world. It would lead to a lot of conflict.
  • Whyputa... Vive le... 2010/06/10 02:51:48
    Whyputaname
    Agree......
  • RedRockNv 2010/06/09 16:35:14
    No, there is still plenty of oil, coal and natural gas to go around, so no ne...
    RedRockNv
    I am sure that whatever we do in this feminized new world we live in we will listen to the emotional side of every argument and shoot ourselves in the foot. Oil is there. Coal is there use it. Use Nuclear. Use wind. Use solar. Add up what is most efficient and use it more until the least efficient is brought up to speed. I am not downing women by the way. I am just saying dealing with emotions causes people to have to jump over a lot of hurdles. Use the straight forward male way get things done and get them done fast.
  • the dea... RedRockNv 2010/06/09 16:43:12 (edited)
    the dead redcoat
    +2
    use it by all means , but lets use it sensibly and economically
    NO MORE HUMMERS
  • PaulDextraze 2010/06/09 16:14:23
    No, there is still plenty of oil, coal and natural gas to go around, so no ne...
    PaulDextraze
    This is ridiculous, there is plenty of oil, why question the supply? Unless this is a hidden agenda so the oil companies can hike up the price again.
  • Kane Fernau 2010/06/09 15:47:33
    I think peak oil is …
    Kane Fernau
    Fear mongering!
  • Lanikai 2010/06/09 15:45:25
    I think peak oil is …
    Lanikai
    Essential and regenerating. BUT Mad Max was a prophetic movie. Our own government will not allow us to open clean coal fuel production and SD has enough coal to fuel America for decades. We can't put up wind fields because the Kennedys don't want those unsightly things off their coast, and no one else does either. Government both local and federal refuse to allow the running of natural gas lines in many areas, so what are we to do?
  • Whyputa... Lanikai 2010/06/10 02:53:35
    Whyputaname
    Kenndy's dead, and the Wind Turbines going through!
  • nettie 2010/06/09 15:39:48
    I think peak oil is …
    nettie
  • intrepid_pilgrim 2010/06/09 15:35:48
    I think peak oil is …
    intrepid_pilgrim
    ...right on the mark.

    Comes down to sustainable systems and life styles... and a whole lot less people living on this planet then there is now.

    The end of oil transition might be one of the most resourceful times in human evolution.

    Nice post here SN, Thank you. jd
  • nettie intrepi... 2010/06/09 15:40:26
  • Mckeags 2010/06/09 15:25:24
    I think peak oil is …
    Mckeags
    Thats a huge bitch
  • Dick Gelardi 2010/06/09 15:09:33
    I think peak oil is …
    Dick Gelardi
    This is the one thing the greedy politicians have been planning for generations and one that I think they planned properly. We here in North America have more untapped natural resources then any other continent. We have been refusing to tap into our own oil for many hidden reasons but the true reason is that within a few generations we will hold the majority of the oil and therefore reclaim billions and trillions in resources the rest of the world will rely on. Think about it. Do some research and you will see that I am telling the truth. The only problem I have is that if we do not end this corrupt government system we currently have and have had since they killed Kennedy we the majority of the people in America will not see any of that money!!!
  • Mordecai Jones 2010/06/09 14:45:17
    I think peak oil is …
    Mordecai Jones
    just another dumb idea from people who have no concept of what they are talking about. The doomsday nitwits have been with us since the bow and arrow signaled the end of modern civilization due to the decline of the spear industry.

    Just once it would be nice to hear somebody with some intelligent point of view share their thoughts.

    The recent Exxon find in the Gulf of Mexico is larger than all of the oil the US has used since the Spindletop find in Beaumont.
  • nettie Mordeca... 2010/06/09 15:41:02
    nettie
    +2


    and he who owns the oil rules the world
  • Mordeca... nettie 2010/06/09 16:26:22
    Mordecai Jones
    I understand your point, but it would benefit the understanding of the issue to read about "Tulip mania". The Wikipedia article covers it fairly well.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The golden rule has always been "The man with the gold makes the rules".

    When I was in school in the 1950s they were teaching that North America was so young a continent that it had no significant petroleum deposits and certainly no important coal deposits.

    Of course at each period in history we are sure that we now know everything there is to know and there are no laughable errors in our beliefs.

    I recall in the 1970s that the prediction was that the US petroleum reserves were just about depleted and there would be no more gasoline. The lines at the gas stations gave a pretty good indication of the percentage of suckers in the economy of the time.

    What you can expect is a steady increase in the efficiency with which we use petroleum in order to squeeze the last drop of profit out of each molecule of crude.

    When and if we begin to find that our actual reserves are going to fall short of the quantities needed to continue to support the profit pictures of the energy industry you will see a slow and steady transition to other forms of energy. The newer forms are not likely to be the 1950s concepts of w...
    I understand your point, but it would benefit the understanding of the issue to read about "Tulip mania". The Wikipedia article covers it fairly well.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The golden rule has always been "The man with the gold makes the rules".

    When I was in school in the 1950s they were teaching that North America was so young a continent that it had no significant petroleum deposits and certainly no important coal deposits.

    Of course at each period in history we are sure that we now know everything there is to know and there are no laughable errors in our beliefs.

    I recall in the 1970s that the prediction was that the US petroleum reserves were just about depleted and there would be no more gasoline. The lines at the gas stations gave a pretty good indication of the percentage of suckers in the economy of the time.

    What you can expect is a steady increase in the efficiency with which we use petroleum in order to squeeze the last drop of profit out of each molecule of crude.

    When and if we begin to find that our actual reserves are going to fall short of the quantities needed to continue to support the profit pictures of the energy industry you will see a slow and steady transition to other forms of energy. The newer forms are not likely to be the 1950s concepts of wind and solar. Those are so dependent on the petroleum industry for their existence and on tax funding that they are not practical.
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  • ruralntex Mordeca... 2010/06/09 15:58:16
    ruralntex
    +1
    Ya know, I think the end of the world crapola has been overdone too! We gots plenty of oil, gas and coal. We aint all gonna drown if we keep using it, it is unlikely that a big space rock is gonna hit us any time soon. Ya know, the economy sucks. Here is an idea, lets worry about that!
  • Mordeca... ruralntex 2010/06/09 16:27:27
    Mordecai Jones
    +1
    I would be more afraid of us running out of liberty in America before we run out of oil.
  • ruralntex Mordeca... 2010/06/09 18:10:54
    ruralntex
    +1
    Agree!
  • peacehoper Mordeca... 2010/06/09 16:12:57
    peacehoper
    +1
    Yes there is still plenty of oil,and coal to pollute and poison the earth many times over,I am so glad !
  • Mordeca... peacehoper 2010/06/09 16:28:20
    Mordecai Jones
    Would you have a suggestion of something that would be better to pollute and poison the earth with?
  • Whyputa... Mordeca... 2010/06/09 21:25:50
    Whyputaname
    +1
    I suppose that you would say that Ethanol (sp?) is not a good way to go! Even though Brazil has been using it since the first Oil Embargo of the 1970's.

    I can only imagine what you are going to say.
  • Mordeca... Whyputa... 2010/06/09 22:21:46
    Mordecai Jones
    +1
    I doubt that you can imagine what I am going to say.

    I don't like ethanol because it is the solvent for most of the gasket sealers in the engines in my cars, trucks, and equipment. In order to resist the ethanol content the auto industry has had to go to plastic derivative sealers and gaskets which are of course more complicated to produce and have higher prices.

    Additionally it takes a vast amount of fertilizer (petroleum product) and diesel (petroleum product) to grow the corn to run the natural gas powered distillery that makes the ethanol that is hauled in the diesel powered track/trailer rigs that haul the ethanol to the petroleum refinery where the ethanol is added to the gasoline to save the corn growers. You can't make a blanket longer by cutting some from the top and sewing it on the bottom.

    The other reason that I don't support ethanol is that it is tax-subsidy based scam like many of the other "renewable"energy sources.

    I would be glad to see the tax credits for the corn producers eliminated from the picture so the public can see what is really going on in the "renewable" energy rackets.
  • Whyputa... Mordeca... 2010/06/10 03:42:46
    Whyputaname
    +1
    I knew you were going to say that.....interesting!

    Well, I don't like oil companies. I don't like it in my food, or my hair, everything else that they wiggled their way into.

    When using it in fertilizer, than the plant as well as the veg/fruit is absorbing that and guess what. We might as well go drink the water in the gulf coast. Which btw, will be absorbed into the fresh water systems of the coast...emm...yummy!

    As far as the car industry is concerned they have been making cars for Brazil for more than a decade now. Brazil has been making Ethanol since the first oil embargo of the 70's. So it isn't like car co.'s are starting from scratch. They have the technology.

    As far as having to use Oil to produce the Ethanol, well, if you want to talk about scammers look to none other than the oil companies. Ethanol has been around for a few decades now. From what I have heard, read and watched on film. Back in the day when they first started making it, in the experitmental stages. The oil companies had to be involved. Meaning they had to use their product so they could make it. The oil companies are not willing to give up the almighty dollar, "competition".

    Oil Companies also get tax cuts and subsidies, so what is the difference.

    Yeeah, I watch C-span back in the mid 2000's when the sh*t h...







    I knew you were going to say that.....interesting!

    Well, I don't like oil companies. I don't like it in my food, or my hair, everything else that they wiggled their way into.

    When using it in fertilizer, than the plant as well as the veg/fruit is absorbing that and guess what. We might as well go drink the water in the gulf coast. Which btw, will be absorbed into the fresh water systems of the coast...emm...yummy!

    As far as the car industry is concerned they have been making cars for Brazil for more than a decade now. Brazil has been making Ethanol since the first oil embargo of the 70's. So it isn't like car co.'s are starting from scratch. They have the technology.

    As far as having to use Oil to produce the Ethanol, well, if you want to talk about scammers look to none other than the oil companies. Ethanol has been around for a few decades now. From what I have heard, read and watched on film. Back in the day when they first started making it, in the experitmental stages. The oil companies had to be involved. Meaning they had to use their product so they could make it. The oil companies are not willing to give up the almighty dollar, "competition".

    Oil Companies also get tax cuts and subsidies, so what is the difference.

    Yeeah, I watch C-span back in the mid 2000's when the sh*t hit the fan because of the high gas prices.

    Funny thing though, the prices aren't rising right now.....Hmm, interesting! Considering that when the pipeline rupture up in Alaska, and the Oil refinery blow up in Texas, the prices went through the roof....Hmmm, interestingly they aren't now that the plateform blow up. Jee, I wonder why that is.....Oh, and then there was the outdated oil refineries.

    Talk about scamming!

    It sounds to me that the Oil Co.'s have a strong leash on these people and that they aren't willing to give it up.

    I'm wondering, do you remember the movie Tucker A Man And His Dream....Makes one wonder.
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  • Mordeca... Whyputa... 2010/06/10 13:49:57
    Mordecai Jones
    Yes I do recall the movie "Tucker: A Man and his Dream"

    Ethanol works as a fuel. So does natural gas, paint thinner, coal, wood, charcoal, and uranium. Autos have been made that run on all sorts of fuels. Charcoal powered cars were available in France around the pre-WWII era.

    The problem is that the conversion of the US auto fuel industry from one fuel source to another has its own devastating issues.

    The Brazilian cars don't run on pure ethanol.
    Brazil has ethanol as an excess byproduct of several grain and sugar cane processing industries and they don't have another market to dispose of the ethanol to.

    There isn't enough arable land in the US that would be available to convert the US auto fuel industry to ethanol so ethanol will remain just another expensive by-product of tax subsidized farming.

    The pipeline rupture in Alaska and the explosion at Texas City have something in common - they were both BP issues.

    These are all 1920 to 1970 solutions to a 2010 and beyond problem. The solution would be to abandon the semi-workable solutions of the past and look forward to a realistic solution for the next several centuries.

    When the petroleum industry began people rode horses and plowed fields with single bottom plows and a mule. Nobody thought that it would become a world wide issue within 100 years.

    Now that we know that we need to be looking forward for solution not backward.
  • Scott 2010/06/09 14:31:17
    No, there is still plenty of oil, coal and natural gas to go around, so no ne...
    Scott
    There " is " still plenty to go around and will be for years to come . This does not mean we should not explore any and all " other " possibilities . WE SHOULD . Hydrogen would be the PERFECT solution but an infrastructure would have to be built , filling stations , etc. Hydrogen is the most abundant rescorce we have " WATER " , H2O is part hydrogen and when burned in an internal combustion engine the only polution is a tailpipe dripping pure water . We should to continue drilling for oil and natural gas as well as solar and wind .
  • Tiny 2010/06/09 14:10:12
    No, there is still plenty of oil, coal and natural gas to go around, so no ne...
    Tiny
    an inconvenient truth - thanks to recent technological achievements the US is now self sufficient for another century or more in natural gas.

    we are already self sufficient in coal.
  • ImageBandit ~ American Patriot 2010/06/09 14:04:29
    No, there is still plenty of oil, coal and natural gas to go around, so no ne...
    ImageBandit ~ American Patriot
    +1
    solar power is the way to go - it is being downplayed by the oil companies but the sun pours enough power into a square mile of land that it could power a city - lets just hope a selenium shortage dosent hit LOL
  • Scott ImageBa... 2010/06/09 14:35:52
    Scott
    +1
    Solar alone is not nearly enough and the cost is astronomical . Besides we buy all of our solar panels from foreign countries .

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