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Would Ayn Rand and disciple Paul Ryan have done the same as Mitt Romney and draft dodged the American war?

bob 2012/08/14 21:00:22
Ayn Rand and disciple Paul Ryan would have done the same as Mitt Romney and draft dodged the vietnam war.
Ayn Rand and disciple Paul Ryan would not have done the same as Mitt Romney and draft dodged the vietnam war
Many Ayn Rand’s disciples draft dodged the vietnam war.
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  • The Bantam Seditioner 2012/08/14 21:31:35 (edited)
    Many Ayn Rand’s disciples draft dodged the vietnam war.
    The Bantam Seditioner
    +5
    I know that if I'd been alive at that time, I would have dodged it. That war was by far one of the most foolish, morally indefensible, and unfortunate blunders of the 20th century. But then again, most wars are.

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  • Paige 2012/08/20 03:14:50
    Many Ayn Rand’s disciples draft dodged the vietnam war.
    Paige
    +1
    Ayn Rand believe people didn't need a moral compass.
  • Bill 2012/08/17 11:41:14
    None of the above
    Bill
    First of all bob I would ask you. What do you know about war?
  • mind-pilot 2012/08/16 01:35:58
    Many Ayn Rand’s disciples draft dodged the vietnam war.
    mind-pilot
    +1
    Birds of a feather flock together. Ryan is a career politician at a young age. Was he effective or just mooching off the public dime? Is he enriching himself by way of the public dime? With an $80K a year job is he wealthier than most $80K receipients? His bravado demeanor appears concocted and not authentic. We'll see. Let the vetting begin.
  • KAREN JAMES 2012/08/15 14:32:09
    None of the above
    KAREN JAMES
    +1
    Did Ryan serve in the military, I don't believe that he did. So, he loves his country enough to serve 24 years in the House of Representatives but not enough to serve even two years in its defense. Ryan / Romney failed leaders.
  • Matti Linnanvuori 2012/08/15 05:26:09
    Many Ayn Rand’s disciples draft dodged the vietnam war.
    Matti Linnanvuori
    +2
    Ayn Rand thought draft was the worst slavery a state could ever impose on its citizens. She did not think men should volunteer to be slaves but be selfish.
  • Swift Wolf 2012/08/15 03:46:12
    None of the above
    Swift Wolf
    +1
    They would have done whatever they believed would best benefit themselves.
    Usually that would mean avoiding any danger and never putting themselves in situations they can't control and use to their advantage.
    Although it's nearly impossible to say what they would have done, you can bet, by the beliefs they hold dear, they would have thought deep and long about what action would best further themselves and their personal agenda with no thought to what might benefit any others (believing each person would get what they deserve).
  • Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum 2012/08/14 22:44:19
    Ayn Rand and disciple Paul Ryan would have done the same as Mitt Romney and d...
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +2
    According to Objectivists and most libertarians, war is murder by a collectivist state, so my guess is they would have acted in self interest and put their own interests ahead of their country's interest.
  • chuck 2012/08/14 22:02:32
    None of the above
    chuck
    Prove it or shut up at least give some evidence so we dont have just your unfounded accusation
  • bob chuck 2012/08/15 14:29:22
    bob
    +1
    Please read
    A Field Guide to war mongering draft dodgers
  • rand 2012/08/14 21:48:05
    None of the above
    rand
    They weren't drafting women; I was in the first lottery. I believe Paul would have served since he seems sincere in his beliefs. He really should look at what a miserable person Ayn was, though. Her philosophy didn't work for her; why would it work for me?
  • Miss Capri 2012/08/14 21:43:05
    Undecided
    Miss Capri
    Who...Gives...A...Flying...Ho...
  • Swift Wolf Miss Capri 2012/08/15 04:01:14
    Swift Wolf
    Why did you take the time to write your comment?
    Nothing better to do than address something you don't "give(s) a flying ho" about?
  • rocat 2012/08/14 21:34:57
    None of the above
    rocat
    +2
    asinine question-
  • Swift Wolf rocat 2012/08/15 03:57:49
    Swift Wolf
    No, not really.
    Since Rand has a complex political belief system, you can find out a lot about anyone who adheres to those beliefs.
    If you know what a person believes, you can tell how they will likely act, or react to any particular situation they find themselves in.
    That is incredibly important when you're talking about a person who could end up running the country.

    Perhaps you could explain what you believe is asinine about the question.
  • rocat Swift Wolf 2012/08/15 04:08:43
    rocat
    +3
    ryan is not her disciple-
    he likes her books-

    liking a book or author...
    in no way signifys...
    that one "believes"...
    every aspect of the book-

    nor is it a given...
    that one adheres...
    to that author's beliefs-

    ayn was a hardcore atheist -
    does that mean ryan is too???

    i have read and enjoyed her books-
    i do not agree with her completely-
    -----------------------------...
    women have never been draftees-
    -----------------------------...
    wth...
    is the "american war"???
    -----------------------------...
    vice presidents...
    do not run the country-
    not even presidents do that-

    have you read the books???
  • bob rocat 2012/08/15 14:31:12
  • rocat bob 2012/08/15 15:39:26
    rocat
    +3
    is that for me???

    how so???
    i despise republicans-
    and democrats-
  • Tink123 rocat 2012/08/15 18:49:53
    Tink123
    Buh buh but ro - "if it's not a it MUST be b." lol No? Not so much.
  • rocat Tink123 2012/08/15 18:52:36
    rocat
    +1
    now i know my abc's...
    won't you sing with me??
  • Tink123 rocat 2012/08/15 18:52:55
    Tink123
    +2
    Paul Ryan - a Randian hero? Buhwhahahahahahaha!
  • rocat Tink123 2012/08/15 18:55:54
    rocat
    +2
    i know...
    absurd!!! right???
  • Tink123 rocat 2012/08/15 18:59:11
    Tink123
    +2
    Unimaginable
  • rocat Tink123 2012/08/15 19:02:03 (edited)
    rocat
    +2
    well...
    imagination...
    would be the only way...
    to arrive at such erroneous conclusions-

    coupled with complete cluelessness regarding ayn's ideas-

    which i must conclude ryan struggles under-

    and the peons here...
    who have never read her...
    but use her name as some vaporous litmus-
  • Tink123 rocat 2012/08/15 19:02:55
    Tink123
    +2
    True - error is limitless.
  • rocat Tink123 2012/08/15 19:05:00
    rocat
    +2
    but oh so limiting-
  • Tink123 rocat 2012/08/15 19:06:36
    Tink123
    +2
    I see how you did that - more truth...
  • The Bantam Seditioner 2012/08/14 21:31:35 (edited)
    Many Ayn Rand’s disciples draft dodged the vietnam war.
    The Bantam Seditioner
    +5
    I know that if I'd been alive at that time, I would have dodged it. That war was by far one of the most foolish, morally indefensible, and unfortunate blunders of the 20th century. But then again, most wars are.
  • JCD aka... The Ban... 2012/08/14 21:40:49
    JCD aka "biz"
    +3
    I agree, but Romney was pro-Vietnam war.

    He just wanted to fight by proxy.
  • The Ban... JCD aka... 2012/08/14 21:44:27
    The Bantam Seditioner
    +3
    True. If there are people who honestly believe in the justness of a war, they should be willing to fight it themselves. And that includes the chickenhawk politicians who, more often than not, cajole us into these misadventures without the slightest idea of what a battlefield is like.
  • JOJO The Ban... 2012/08/14 23:52:21
    JOJO
    +3
    I'm not sure that they believe in the "justness" of war as much as believe that there is a profit to be made somewhere along the line for them. Remember that President Eisenhower warned us about the military-industrial complex. This is where all that money is funneled into. We are given the lie that we have to have a strong military and yet soldiers went into Iraq under equipped. So our "superior" forces weren't prepared. Where did all that money go?
  • Swift Wolf JOJO 2012/08/15 04:21:58
    Swift Wolf
    Superb answer. Very well spoken.
  • nbarton2 2012/08/14 21:29:24
    None of the above
    nbarton2
    Of course the Liberal lie of Romney being a draft dodger is totally inspired by the lack of knowledge of the Vietnam War and of Romney. Since Romney was in college and received those deferments prior to the lottery draft and went on his missionary trip to France prior to the lottery draft; to be a draft dodger you actually have to be drafterd and since his number didn't come up he didn't "dodge the draft" Romney’s was pro-Vietnam war and in 1968 protested a sit in at Stamford. Many people who went to college received deferments for service and missionary service is self explanatory, as for those who haven't read Ayn Rand you obviously should not be posting comments.
  • JCD aka... nbarton2 2012/08/14 21:39:44
    JCD aka "biz"
    +5
    So if Romney was "pro-Vietnam war", why didn't he volunteer to fight?
  • nbarton2 JCD aka... 2012/08/15 01:03:43
    nbarton2
    One can be pro-war and not volunteer to fight in it he was still eligible for the draft and at the time he had no political motivation to support the war in any way. Actually there were plenty of men and women his age that were pro-war, while the radicals got the media's attention. There were also plenty of people who went to college and got college deferments so were each one of them draft dodgers as well? The lottery draft didn't occur until 1969 and Romney didn't become eligible until 1970 at which time the military presence in Vietnam was being reduced.
  • bob nbarton2 2012/08/14 21:39:59 (edited)
    bob
    +2
    Romney the draft dodger and war monger aka chickenhawk
  • nbarton2 bob 2012/08/15 00:55:35
    nbarton2
    You obviously don't know what a draft dodger is but I forgive you your ignorance Bob
  • bob nbarton2 2012/08/15 14:33:53
  • bob nbarton2 2012/08/15 14:33:21
  • nbarton2 bob 2012/08/15 20:05:45 (edited)
    nbarton2
    Once again Bob many college students obtained deferments Romney was no different, don't really care about the other douche, Nugent, he doesn't speak for all Republicans, but since you brought him up he also got a 1S and a 2S deferment for school and used out takes from interviews from others when being interviewed by High Times not the most reliable of sources, but the 1Y is public record. What you are saying that everyone who went to college in the 60's is a draft dodger. Since Romney was never drafted he didn't avoid the draft by illegal means. Nice try though.
  • Scott 2012/08/14 21:22:04
    Undecided
    Scott
    I don't know much about Ayn Rand, and as much as Paul Ryan makes my skin crawl, I don't get the impression he would be a draft dodger. He's a work out fanatic, and I think a pretty tough guy (as opposed to his running mate). I think he'd have fought.

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