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WORDS? JUST WORDS? Based on quotes from Obama's book, should we believe anything he says? Has he ruined his credibility?Are the concepts on which Obama's platform are based on, "unity" and "change", JUST WORDS?

Janet C K April 01, 2008 03:14:59

We are all familiar with Obama "borrowing" Duval Patrick's ideas.

Who, do you think Obama "borrowed" this next paragraph from, out of Obama's book, WRITTEN IN 1996 (yes, 1996) from?:
"Black politicians discovered what white politicians had known for a very long time: that race-baiting could make up for a host of limitations. Younger leaders, eager to make a name for themselves, upped the ante, peddling conspiracy theories all over tow -the Koreans were funding the Klan, Jewish doctors were injecting black babies with AIDS. It was a shortcut to fame, if not always fortune; like sex or violence on TV, black rage always found a ready market." Source: Dreams from My Father, by Barack Obama, p.186 Aug 1, 1996

WORDS? JUST WORDS?

In his own memoir "Dreams From My Father," Obama described how an early meeting with Wright quickly devolved into Wright telling him in paranoid terms that the black man will never be safe in America. Obama told of an early sermon that preached of a world of white greed, "a world where cruise ships throw away more food than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere." --Obama's Clintonesque Speech, by Brent Bozell III, March 26, 2008

WORDS? JUST WORDS?

So what "WORDS" does Obama believe in? Should Obama's credibility as the self proclaimed messenger of "unity" and "change" be questioned when it appears that he holds a bias when it comes to matters related to race? Does he hold a "double standard"? Did Obama condone Wright's behavior by not addressing it back when he first realized Wright had paranoid beliefs? Is he really even commited to healing race relations, or just pandering to both sides of the issue for political gain? Are his true priorities, reflected in his choice of denying he heard Wright speak in such a manner? Are there other "circumstances" in which Obama will not own up to something he witnessed, or did? He's already exhibited such behavior in annoucing to crowds he's passed legislation, that never passed- www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html

As with the Rev. Wright issue, and NAFTA with regards to Canada, perhaps Candice Toliver's criticism toward Hillary re: the Martin Luther King Jr. comment, is more properly applied toward Obama:
~“There’s a groundswell of reaction to these comments - and not just these latest comments but really a pattern, or a series of comments that we’ve heard for several months,” she said. “Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this really an isolated situation or is there something bigger behind all of this?”

WORDS? JUST WORDS?

The sad thing is even Martin Luther King Jr. III said he didn't feel Hillary intended to demean the work of his father, and felt the comment was "blown out of proportion". THAT was the example, of someone who wants to heal race relations.

The fact is Obama first denied hearing anything inflammatory by Wright, knowing full well he did. He knew he was not being honest about it. But he denied it. "I want change from Old Washington"

WORDS? JUST WORDS?


If he's running as the candidate who is honorable, and wants to bring people together, should he not hold everyone, including Wright, to the same standard? Shouldn't his history, exemplify, a decision making process that demonstrates the values he believes in? He knew Wright's paranoid generalizations about white people were not "helpful" to black's perceptions of whites, and could poison the congregation's minds, potentially harming any "goal" rising past hurdles that alienate the black community from accepting trust or unity with the white community. "I want to UNITE the country."

WORDS? JUST WORDS?

If what attracted you to Obama in the first place, is not demonstrated in his behavior, why would you continue to support him? Unless like Obama with Wright, you don't expect your leader to reflect the values that lead you to consider him for President in the first place. When should have Obama expected Wright to act like a messenger of Christ? When should we expect Obama to stop using people's suspicion of government, to falsely accuse others of ridiculous claims? When should we expect Obama, to tell us if he really plans to re-negoitate NAFTA, if he really plans on having troops out of Iraq by a certain period, or if he really "just discovered" and "just heard" Wright's radical statements?

If Obama cannot assert himself to promote "unity" and "change" within his own Christian church, how can we expect him to "lead" us to anywhere but more conflict and contraversy? Obama NEEDED to talk with Rev. Wright about the lessons learned from the past, that resulted in the suffering of blacks--that when people judge others based on generalizations and on race, nothing good can come of it.

Even if one can somehow convince themself that it's okay for a Pastor to poison his congregation with suspicious beliefs about the government and other races, we can't discount Obama joined a church that subscribes to the "Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness", as a "black value". Isn't that sort of a goal for most people in our country, to do well for themselves and be part of the Middleclass?

What are we trying to prove by abandoning our critical thinking? For some reason, many people are knocking themselves out trying to ingore all the obvious signs, that Obama has not chosen to live a life that exhibits pride of having a mixed cultural heritage, and may even hold resentment toward his mom's ancestry.

We could make a boat load of excuses up for why the "Old South" had their own reasons for being against civil rights--radical beliefs that they held. But whatever the reason, it doesn't matter, there's absolutely no excuse for generalizing any behavior upon an entire group. There are plenty of instances where greed, shelfishness, waste, and other ills of society, are not characteristics held by any one particular race .

There were many whites that did not participate in slavery, who did not believe in segregation, who truly accepted all races as equal, as exemplified in those people who held power, that voted for change. Yet Obama, the uniter, allowed Wright to continue evoking black rage in his sermons. Obama is living proof that this country is not as racist as Wright claims. Obama is living proof that opportunity is available if sought, Obama is proof that this country has evolved, that this country could not be where it is unless a substantial amount of white people had good within them too, to strive for what is right. Is it right for Obama to defend Wright despite the damage Wright may have perpetrated with his hate filled words, then attack Hillary and alienate her from what black support she did have with paranoid accusations of demeaning Martin Luther King Jr., despite Martin Luther King Jr. III stating he did not believe that to be the case?

Obama would like you to believe Rev. Wright's "dumb comments" (as he put it) were, "a mistake". He stated on The View, "how would you like it if the dumbest 6 things you've said in your life were played over and over again in a continuous loop?" Ah... well, first of all, I wouldn't allow those "dumb" things to be recorded on tapes to be sold as a representation of my church. Secondly, my personal feelings that I know some people may be offended by, I don't feel comfortable announcing them to everyone at work, much less in the middle of a church. I might say some stupid things time to time, but usually it's something that comes out wrong, and it just sounds bad....but I didn't mean it that way, and realize I made a mistake. I hardly feel Rev. Wright is sorry for anything, other than hurting Obama's chances of getting elected.

What the heck ever happened to the notion of equality? Why was equality a nobile concept when it was demanded from others, but now it's okay to abandon it? Why does his platform of "change" and "unity", not reflect itself in the philosophy of where he chooses to worship Christ's values? If Obama believes "all men were created equal", then why is he making exceptions?

Unless to Obama, WORDS, are just that, ONLY words.
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Yes, anyone can write a persuasive speech and not mean it, actions speak louder than words
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  • +20 / -2 raves fll April 01, 2008 03:40:57
    fll

    Yes, anyone can write a persuasive speech and not mean it, actions speak louder than words

    He is an opportunistic, ambitious politicain using the race card both ways to box Hillary into a corner, and win the nomination. He may very well succeed, but, in the process, will destroy the democratic party for decades!!!
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  • +8 / -1 raves
    t April 01, 2008 04:40:13
    t

    Obama held no social responsibility to challenge Wright not to alienate blacks from government, and

    moderated...
  • +3 raves
    Roxie t April 01, 2008 21:14:31
    Roxie
    No one is "Due" when it comes to hate.
    Racism is not a one way street, wrong from either direction.
    Don't blame anyone else for who we are or have become.
  • heart... Restore The Republic

    Yes, anyone can write a persuasive speech and not mean it, actions speak louder than words

    I've collected a list of over 50 outright lies by Obama and I'm sure that list is short quite a few... And still he claims the ethical high ground with the media's blessing.
  • +5 / -1 raves
    Roxie heart..... April 01, 2008 21:16:55
    Roxie
    Oh... oh... those are not lies just more mis-understood racism.
    The haters will down-rave you my friend.
    But of coarse you are 100%.
  • +7 raves
    wedw3 April 01, 2008 04:21:47
    wedw3

    Yes, anyone can write a persuasive speech and not mean it, actions speak louder than words

    Now, I picked that answer because there were only two choices. I have a feeling that I am going get a kicking here. But, here we go.

    All I am going to say on this is this: Everyone has an opinion as to who will be the best candidate. Everyone has read, heard and spoken about each candidate. Each candidate has been slammed, sometimes when they have earned it and sometimes when they haven't.

    What concerns me is this. The Democrat Party has been a party for the minorities, well that is what they say. And now you have not one, but two minorities going for the Brass Ring and it is tearing this party into a lot of fractured pieces. When this is over will it come together as it was prior to this election? I don't believe so.

    If there was a woman and a White man running we wouldn't be where we are today, nor would we if a Black and White man were running against each other.

    You know how much I respect your hard work and your opinion, Jackie CK, but people on the other side can say things about Hillary. What you are saying isn't going to change any more minds than if an article of Hillary would change any more minds.

    I want to hear what programs they want. What are they going to do with Health Care. Are they going to shrink the military. What are they going to do with "ear ta...









    Now, I picked that answer because there were only two choices. I have a feeling that I am going get a kicking here. But, here we go.

    All I am going to say on this is this: Everyone has an opinion as to who will be the best candidate. Everyone has read, heard and spoken about each candidate. Each candidate has been slammed, sometimes when they have earned it and sometimes when they haven't.

    What concerns me is this. The Democrat Party has been a party for the minorities, well that is what they say. And now you have not one, but two minorities going for the Brass Ring and it is tearing this party into a lot of fractured pieces. When this is over will it come together as it was prior to this election? I don't believe so.

    If there was a woman and a White man running we wouldn't be where we are today, nor would we if a Black and White man were running against each other.

    You know how much I respect your hard work and your opinion, Jackie CK, but people on the other side can say things about Hillary. What you are saying isn't going to change any more minds than if an article of Hillary would change any more minds.

    I want to hear what programs they want. What are they going to do with Health Care. Are they going to shrink the military. What are they going to do with "ear tagging Bills"? What are they going to do with the boarder problem? What are they going to the educational system. Hell, we, in my time going to High School we were on top of the world, now we barely make the top ten --- Why? It is not Bush II's fault, I mean this has been going on since the early 70's my God people wake up.

    I have yet to hear from any candidate what their platform is. I have to read it. I believe, as Hillary has stated over and over again in her own words "action speaks louder than words". OK, I'll buy that. Now look at her record. Look at the Bills that She Has Authored, do the same with Obama.

    One of the major item that I have a problem with Hillary is one thing and that is her record on Health Care, her pet project that she has been working on for 30 years, now that again is in her own words. She did try when her husband was in his first term and he had a Democrat lead Congress. She had her chance and it was defeated and it wasn't because of the "Right Wing Conspiracy" either it was because she didn't want to cross the isle and except a compromise. She just dropped it. Then she was elected to the Senate, now she has more power, she really does because she is an ex-First Lady and now she is in the most powerful part of Congress were each vote is very important. What does she do? Nothing. I mean this Lady has told us that she will be "ready at day one" if she is President and not once has she authored a Bill for Health Care, her pet project. Why? I mean she is in her second term and still nothing. I always thought that she was serious, at the beginning, but the more I watch and listen to her for almost 17 years she has let the American people down on Health Care. What does she expect if she is President? Is she going to snap her fingers and then there is Health Care --- I don't think so regardless who is in control of Congress.

    I am not going to say which is the best candidate, I really don't feel I want to be called anything that I am not.

    My problem is personal when it comes to health care, not for me but my wife. And all that I have heard from that lady is "I am going to get affordable health care for everyone-- and for 17 years when she should have been writing bills on that she has been writing laws to give someone a commemorative thing.

    That's all.
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  • +4 raves
    t wedw3 April 01, 2008 04:45:27
    t
    moderated...
  • wedw3 t April 01, 2008 05:00:23
    wedw3
    Thank you, I am waiting for that person to pop up.
  • Kat wedw3 April 03, 2008 02:46:09
    Kat
    Wedw, Excellent and well thought out post, Im glad I read the whole thing. An open mind is a beautiful thing and not often seen on some of these polls. Thank you.
  • mr jiggs Kat April 13, 2008 13:16:56
    mr jiggs
    I second that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
  • +6 / -1 raves
    True~Male April 01, 2008 04:20:20
    True~Male

    Yes, anyone can write a persuasive speech and not mean it, actions speak louder than words

    His Lousy Actions Have Spoken Louder Than Any Words Could Ever Be Spoken in the History of Candidates Runnung For Any Office .
  • +8 / -1 raves
    Ken "Don't tread on me!" April 01, 2008 04:17:05
    Ken

    Yes, anyone can write a persuasive speech and not mean it, actions speak louder than words

    Actions do speak louder than words, especially when one's own words are contradicted by what he has written! And Obama isn't even the one writing the persuasive speeches, its his speech writer, Favreau! He is in no way qualified to be president - and they should think about kicking him out of the senate!
  • +1 raves
    Kat April 01, 2008 03:50:53 (edited)
    Kat

    Obama held no social responsibility to challenge Wright not to alienate blacks from government, and

    neither of these answers fit but you gave no other choices. Im more concerned about what the candidates will do for the economy and about the war and both democrat candidates voting records and platforms are nearly the same. I still dont like Hillary, sorry.
  • +5 raves
    Janet C K Kat April 01, 2008 03:54:55
    Janet C K
    I meant to leave other choices, however I accidentally hit return, and from past experience of losing polls from trying to back up, I just went with what I had. I figured people can work around it.
  • +1 raves
    Kat Janet C K April 01, 2008 04:06:33
    Kat
    no prob... i have done the same thing and have yet to figure out how to bring a poll to close that i started long ago, do you know how?
  • +7 / -1 raves
    Janet C K Kat April 01, 2008 04:13:40
    Janet C K
    Just because he "seems nicer", doesn't mean he's competent. Doesn't mean he's honest. Doesn't mean he's got his head on straight. It just means he's good at selling himself. As far as the war goes, he supported "aggressive inspections", (force), but just didn't agree with preemptive strikes (Public Affairs, 11.25.02-one month after the Iraq vote). If you were Prez, would you expect your troops to go into a country to force a dictator to comply with U.N. Inspections, and not arm your troops with the ability to use preemptive strikes against a dictator who used chemical weapons on your troops during the Gulf War? Secondly, Obama's "position" on the war was not based on knowing if the intel was right or not. It was based on what was written in the Iraq resolution. Obama had no reason to question the intel that it was based on, any more than he questioned the intel that the Afghanistan action was based on. IF the Intel that the Iraq Resolution was based on was right, Obama wouldn't be bragging about "his position" about the war, because he would have been wrong. When 77 out of 100 Senators agree on anything, it's a miracle. When the 23 opposing Senators, did not scream "the intel is flawed!!!" which would have been the case IF there would have been "key intel" to ignore, then the ...
    Just because he "seems nicer", doesn't mean he's competent. Doesn't mean he's honest. Doesn't mean he's got his head on straight. It just means he's good at selling himself. As far as the war goes, he supported "aggressive inspections", (force), but just didn't agree with preemptive strikes (Public Affairs, 11.25.02-one month after the Iraq vote). If you were Prez, would you expect your troops to go into a country to force a dictator to comply with U.N. Inspections, and not arm your troops with the ability to use preemptive strikes against a dictator who used chemical weapons on your troops during the Gulf War? Secondly, Obama's "position" on the war was not based on knowing if the intel was right or not. It was based on what was written in the Iraq resolution. Obama had no reason to question the intel that it was based on, any more than he questioned the intel that the Afghanistan action was based on. IF the Intel that the Iraq Resolution was based on was right, Obama wouldn't be bragging about "his position" about the war, because he would have been wrong. When 77 out of 100 Senators agree on anything, it's a miracle. When the 23 opposing Senators, did not scream "the intel is flawed!!!" which would have been the case IF there would have been "key intel" to ignore, then the conclusion would have been even the opposing Senators participated in a "conspiracy"...to allow an unjust war to occur. I simply don't know how anyone can let someone "sounding nice" led them to believe something that is statistically impossible. Although I suppose Rev. Wright seemed nice to Obama and led him to look past his racist conclusions. It's a sad day, when just because someone "sounds good", we ignore common sense. We need to look at what he's done as a State Senator, and if he really can do, what he says.
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  • -1 raves
    Kat Janet C K April 01, 2008 06:25:41
    Kat
    Thats true about Hillary as well...except when she tries to sound nice she sounds fake and cant pull it off as well. Actually...im pulling your leg a bit and would not pick a candidate simply because they "sound nice". Its naive to trust any candidate or to make a choice before researching them all with an open mind. I dont like Hillary's tricky tactics or mismanagment of her campaign which shows her lack of management skills the way she has run through the money and not paid the bills or her staff's health insurance premiums.
  • +2 / -1 raves
    Roxie Kat April 01, 2008 21:07:11
    Roxie
    Clinton hate gets old. Please.
  • +1 raves
    wedw3 Roxie April 02, 2008 00:33:15
    wedw3
    So does the Obama hate gets old as well as the McCain hate, as as the Romney hate and as well as the Edwards hate and so on gets old. Don't ya think?
  • +2 raves
    Roxie Kat April 01, 2008 21:09:32
    Roxie
    You don't like Senator Clinton..... no kidding, I don't like a lot of people but I don't slander them either.
  • +1 raves
    Kat Roxie April 01, 2008 22:42:31
    Kat
    this whole poll has been slander on obama..that was a funny one roxie! love the DRs, so appropiate for hillarites....returning back to the grown up rooms now, cya.
  • +1 raves
    Roxie Kat April 02, 2008 01:31:39 (edited)
    Roxie
    Only when needed and boo hoo, on the down-raves.
    Plus I have seen your polls and you should not point the finger at anyones opinion on Obama when you slime others like you do.
  • +1 / -2 raves
    Janet C K Roxie April 02, 2008 04:04:15
    Janet C K
    Thanks Roxie!
  • +1 / -1 raves
    Janet C K Kat April 02, 2008 04:02:53
    Janet C K
    Obviously either you didn't read the QUOTES, or, you don't understand the use of them. When words are from his mouth, or book, it's not slander. When he says he passed nuclear legislation, but really didn't, and it can be proven, it's not slander. When there's a record of him "accidentally pressing the wrong button" in the State Senate, it's not slander, just facts.

    Obama slanders himself regularly, I don't have to lie about anything.
  • +1 raves
    wedw3 Roxie April 03, 2008 02:52:19
    wedw3
    Please show me where I slander Hillary Clinton.
  • +20 / -2 raves
    fll April 01, 2008 03:40:57
    fll

    Yes, anyone can write a persuasive speech and not mean it, actions speak louder than words

    He is an opportunistic, ambitious politicain using the race card both ways to box Hillary into a corner, and win the nomination. He may very well succeed, but, in the process, will destroy the democratic party for decades!!!
  • +3 raves
    Roxie fll April 01, 2008 20:58:49
    Roxie
    I agree.
  • +2 raves
    fll Roxie April 01, 2008 21:07:29
    fll
    Thanks but I wish Iwas wrong!
  • +2 raves
    Roxie fll April 01, 2008 21:19:54
    Roxie
    I do too!
  • +6 raves
    Seuskeeper April 01, 2008 03:34:07
    Seuskeeper

    Obama held no social responsibility to challenge Wright not to alienate blacks from government, and

    Tangled into a knot that might never unravel. That is what the democrats have on their hands right now.
  • +1 raves
    marsred Seuskeeper April 01, 2008 04:43:34
    marsred
    1) Why is this about what Obama HEARD instead of about Hillary's LIE* or McCains MISSTATEMENTS?**
    2) Why is there no "undecided" or "none of the above?"

    * Hillary lied about landing under fire - she was met by a little girl with flowers.

    ** McCain repeatedly over a span of many interviews over several days accused Iran of supporting Al Qaeda in Iraq (instead of the Shia's)
  • +2 / -1 raves
    Roxie marsred April 01, 2008 21:00:24
    Roxie
    All Obama speech are lies and pipe dreams..... smoke screen!
  • marsred Roxie April 01, 2008 22:51:04
    marsred
    Thanks for sharing your opinion. ☼
  • +1 raves
    wedw3 Roxie April 03, 2008 02:55:27
    wedw3
    We know how you feel about Obama ----- now could you answer her qestions? Please.
  • +2 / -1 raves
    MadHatter April 01, 2008 03:31:30
    MadHatter

    Obama held no social responsibility to challenge Wright not to alienate blacks from government, and

    moderated...
  • +6 / -1 raves
    Angel MadHatter April 01, 2008 03:43:19
    Angel
    he loves Rev Wright
  • +6 / -1 raves
    Janet C K MadHatter April 01, 2008 03:51:40
    Janet C K
    yes, but too bad he did not care enough about the negative effect of Wright's words upon his own congregation...to engage Wright in conversation about if it's really helping the community to make them paranoid of the government, instead of exercising their right to participate. if Obama "out grew" Wright, then I hardly see any point to seeking spiritual guidance from a man who doesn't use Christ values in the manner it would appear that Obama is seeking to "unite" and "change" the country. I think Obama's use of race against Hillary, deomonstrates that he is an opportunist, that will rub salt in the wounds of others, for his own benefit. That he holds a double standard. That he is very much part of "old Washington" politics, and has no intention of changing that.
  • -4 raves
    Kat Janet C K April 01, 2008 03:55:48
    Kat
    Obama does seem to love the pastor but then so do thousands of people from what we are learning. Includind Bill & Hillary who had Rev Wright come to the White House on several occasions to mentor them during Bill's impeachment trial.
  • +6 / -1 raves
    heart..... Kat April 01, 2008 04:14:00
    heart... Restore The Republic
    Get your facts straight. Wright was invited once... to a prayer breakfast, along with many dozens of other clergy, all of whom had their pictures taken with Bill.

    Leagues away from 23 years of keeping *very* close to a man that sometimes (often enough) preaches hate and divisiveness; far cry from allowing your two young daughters to be influenced by this radical racist and anti-American rhetoric.
  • -2 raves
    Kat heart..... April 01, 2008 06:32:26
    Kat
    Wrong....Rev Wright visited the Clintons on more than one occasion at their request for "council". There are photos taken, they have a connection, dont kid yourself. It was not anything uncommon then since Bill Clinton also visited his church when he campaigned as the "first black president". Thanks for the cowardly DRs...it is a badge of honor on such a biased poll.
  • +2 / -1 raves
    heart..... Kat April 01, 2008 13:32:27 (edited)
    heart... Restore The Republic
    Provide some back up to your claims please.

    This has been gone over time and again and NO connection to Wright other than generic photo ops was found. So how about some verifiable cites or references; something more than just because 'you say so'.

    Oh and the Dr wasn't from me... someone likely had no time or inclination to reply to your unproven claims since we've all become so desensitized by relentless and ridiculous personal attacks on the Clintons.
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