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WORDS? JUST WORDS? Based on quotes from Obama's book, should we believe anything he says? Has he ruined his credibility?Are the concepts on which Obama's platform are based on, "unity" and "change", JUST WORDS?
Janet C K April 01, 2008 03:14:59
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We are all familiar with Obama "borrowing" Duval Patrick's ideas.
Who, do you think Obama "borrowed" this next paragraph from, out of Obama's book, WRITTEN IN 1996 (yes, 1996) from?:
"Black politicians discovered what white politicians had known for a very long time: that race-baiting could make up for a host of limitations. Younger leaders, eager to make a name for themselves, upped the ante, peddling conspiracy theories all over tow -the Koreans were funding the Klan, Jewish doctors were injecting black babies with AIDS. It was a shortcut to fame, if not always fortune; like sex or violence on TV, black rage always found a ready market." Source: Dreams from My Father, by Barack Obama, p.186 Aug 1, 1996
WORDS? JUST WORDS?
In his own memoir "Dreams From My Father," Obama described how an early meeting with Wright quickly devolved into Wright telling him in paranoid terms that the black man will never be safe in America. Obama told of an early sermon that preached of a world of white greed, "a world where cruise ships throw away more food than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere." --Obama's Clintonesque Speech, by Brent Bozell III, March 26, 2008
WORDS? JUST WORDS?
So what "WORDS" does Obama believe in? Should Obama's credibility as the self proclaimed messenger of "unity" and "change" be questioned when it appears that he holds a bias when it comes to matters related to race? Does he hold a "double standard"? Did Obama condone Wright's behavior by not addressing it back when he first realized Wright had paranoid beliefs? Is he really even commited to healing race relations, or just pandering to both sides of the issue for political gain? Are his true priorities, reflected in his choice of denying he heard Wright speak in such a manner? Are there other "circumstances" in which Obama will not own up to something he witnessed, or did? He's already exhibited such behavior in annoucing to crowds he's passed legislation, that never passed- www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html
As with the Rev. Wright issue, and NAFTA with regards to Canada, perhaps Candice Toliver's criticism toward Hillary re: the Martin Luther King Jr. comment, is more properly applied toward Obama:
~“There’s a groundswell of reaction to these comments - and not just these latest comments but really a pattern, or a series of comments that we’ve heard for several months,” she said. “Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this really an isolated situation or is there something bigger behind all of this?”
WORDS? JUST WORDS?
The sad thing is even Martin Luther King Jr. III said he didn't feel Hillary intended to demean the work of his father, and felt the comment was "blown out of proportion". THAT was the example, of someone who wants to heal race relations.
The fact is Obama first denied hearing anything inflammatory by Wright, knowing full well he did. He knew he was not being honest about it. But he denied it. "I want change from Old Washington"
WORDS? JUST WORDS?
If he's running as the candidate who is honorable, and wants to bring people together, should he not hold everyone, including Wright, to the same standard? Shouldn't his history, exemplify, a decision making process that demonstrates the values he believes in? He knew Wright's paranoid generalizations about white people were not "helpful" to black's perceptions of whites, and could poison the congregation's minds, potentially harming any "goal" rising past hurdles that alienate the black community from accepting trust or unity with the white community. "I want to UNITE the country."
WORDS? JUST WORDS?
If what attracted you to Obama in the first place, is not demonstrated in his behavior, why would you continue to support him? Unless like Obama with Wright, you don't expect your leader to reflect the values that lead you to consider him for President in the first place. When should have Obama expected Wright to act like a messenger of Christ? When should we expect Obama to stop using people's suspicion of government, to falsely accuse others of ridiculous claims? When should we expect Obama, to tell us if he really plans to re-negoitate NAFTA, if he really plans on having troops out of Iraq by a certain period, or if he really "just discovered" and "just heard" Wright's radical statements?
If Obama cannot assert himself to promote "unity" and "change" within his own Christian church, how can we expect him to "lead" us to anywhere but more conflict and contraversy? Obama NEEDED to talk with Rev. Wright about the lessons learned from the past, that resulted in the suffering of blacks--that when people judge others based on generalizations and on race, nothing good can come of it.
Even if one can somehow convince themself that it's okay for a Pastor to poison his congregation with suspicious beliefs about the government and other races, we can't discount Obama joined a church that subscribes to the "Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness", as a "black value". Isn't that sort of a goal for most people in our country, to do well for themselves and be part of the Middleclass?
What are we trying to prove by abandoning our critical thinking? For some reason, many people are knocking themselves out trying to ingore all the obvious signs, that Obama has not chosen to live a life that exhibits pride of having a mixed cultural heritage, and may even hold resentment toward his mom's ancestry.
We could make a boat load of excuses up for why the "Old South" had their own reasons for being against civil rights--radical beliefs that they held. But whatever the reason, it doesn't matter, there's absolutely no excuse for generalizing any behavior upon an entire group. There are plenty of instances where greed, shelfishness, waste, and other ills of society, are not characteristics held by any one particular race .
There were many whites that did not participate in slavery, who did not believe in segregation, who truly accepted all races as equal, as exemplified in those people who held power, that voted for change. Yet Obama, the uniter, allowed Wright to continue evoking black rage in his sermons. Obama is living proof that this country is not as racist as Wright claims. Obama is living proof that opportunity is available if sought, Obama is proof that this country has evolved, that this country could not be where it is unless a substantial amount of white people had good within them too, to strive for what is right. Is it right for Obama to defend Wright despite the damage Wright may have perpetrated with his hate filled words, then attack Hillary and alienate her from what black support she did have with paranoid accusations of demeaning Martin Luther King Jr., despite Martin Luther King Jr. III stating he did not believe that to be the case?
Obama would like you to believe Rev. Wright's "dumb comments" (as he put it) were, "a mistake". He stated on The View, "how would you like it if the dumbest 6 things you've said in your life were played over and over again in a continuous loop?" Ah... well, first of all, I wouldn't allow those "dumb" things to be recorded on tapes to be sold as a representation of my church. Secondly, my personal feelings that I know some people may be offended by, I don't feel comfortable announcing them to everyone at work, much less in the middle of a church. I might say some stupid things time to time, but usually it's something that comes out wrong, and it just sounds bad....but I didn't mean it that way, and realize I made a mistake. I hardly feel Rev. Wright is sorry for anything, other than hurting Obama's chances of getting elected.
What the heck ever happened to the notion of equality? Why was equality a nobile concept when it was demanded from others, but now it's okay to abandon it? Why does his platform of "change" and "unity", not reflect itself in the philosophy of where he chooses to worship Christ's values? If Obama believes "all men were created equal", then why is he making exceptions?
Unless to Obama, WORDS, are just that, ONLY words.
Who, do you think Obama "borrowed" this next paragraph from, out of Obama's book, WRITTEN IN 1996 (yes, 1996) from?:
"Black politicians discovered what white politicians had known for a very long time: that race-baiting could make up for a host of limitations. Younger leaders, eager to make a name for themselves, upped the ante, peddling conspiracy theories all over tow -the Koreans were funding the Klan, Jewish doctors were injecting black babies with AIDS. It was a shortcut to fame, if not always fortune; like sex or violence on TV, black rage always found a ready market." Source: Dreams from My Father, by Barack Obama, p.186 Aug 1, 1996
WORDS? JUST WORDS?
In his own memoir "Dreams From My Father," Obama described how an early meeting with Wright quickly devolved into Wright telling him in paranoid terms that the black man will never be safe in America. Obama told of an early sermon that preached of a world of white greed, "a world where cruise ships throw away more food than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere." --Obama's Clintonesque Speech, by Brent Bozell III, March 26, 2008
WORDS? JUST WORDS?
So what "WORDS" does Obama believe in? Should Obama's credibility as the self proclaimed messenger of "unity" and "change" be questioned when it appears that he holds a bias when it comes to matters related to race? Does he hold a "double standard"? Did Obama condone Wright's behavior by not addressing it back when he first realized Wright had paranoid beliefs? Is he really even commited to healing race relations, or just pandering to both sides of the issue for political gain? Are his true priorities, reflected in his choice of denying he heard Wright speak in such a manner? Are there other "circumstances" in which Obama will not own up to something he witnessed, or did? He's already exhibited such behavior in annoucing to crowds he's passed legislation, that never passed- www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html
As with the Rev. Wright issue, and NAFTA with regards to Canada, perhaps Candice Toliver's criticism toward Hillary re: the Martin Luther King Jr. comment, is more properly applied toward Obama:
~“There’s a groundswell of reaction to these comments - and not just these latest comments but really a pattern, or a series of comments that we’ve heard for several months,” she said. “Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this really an isolated situation or is there something bigger behind all of this?”
WORDS? JUST WORDS?
The sad thing is even Martin Luther King Jr. III said he didn't feel Hillary intended to demean the work of his father, and felt the comment was "blown out of proportion". THAT was the example, of someone who wants to heal race relations.
The fact is Obama first denied hearing anything inflammatory by Wright, knowing full well he did. He knew he was not being honest about it. But he denied it. "I want change from Old Washington"
WORDS? JUST WORDS?
If he's running as the candidate who is honorable, and wants to bring people together, should he not hold everyone, including Wright, to the same standard? Shouldn't his history, exemplify, a decision making process that demonstrates the values he believes in? He knew Wright's paranoid generalizations about white people were not "helpful" to black's perceptions of whites, and could poison the congregation's minds, potentially harming any "goal" rising past hurdles that alienate the black community from accepting trust or unity with the white community. "I want to UNITE the country."
WORDS? JUST WORDS?
If what attracted you to Obama in the first place, is not demonstrated in his behavior, why would you continue to support him? Unless like Obama with Wright, you don't expect your leader to reflect the values that lead you to consider him for President in the first place. When should have Obama expected Wright to act like a messenger of Christ? When should we expect Obama to stop using people's suspicion of government, to falsely accuse others of ridiculous claims? When should we expect Obama, to tell us if he really plans to re-negoitate NAFTA, if he really plans on having troops out of Iraq by a certain period, or if he really "just discovered" and "just heard" Wright's radical statements?
If Obama cannot assert himself to promote "unity" and "change" within his own Christian church, how can we expect him to "lead" us to anywhere but more conflict and contraversy? Obama NEEDED to talk with Rev. Wright about the lessons learned from the past, that resulted in the suffering of blacks--that when people judge others based on generalizations and on race, nothing good can come of it.
Even if one can somehow convince themself that it's okay for a Pastor to poison his congregation with suspicious beliefs about the government and other races, we can't discount Obama joined a church that subscribes to the "Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness", as a "black value". Isn't that sort of a goal for most people in our country, to do well for themselves and be part of the Middleclass?
What are we trying to prove by abandoning our critical thinking? For some reason, many people are knocking themselves out trying to ingore all the obvious signs, that Obama has not chosen to live a life that exhibits pride of having a mixed cultural heritage, and may even hold resentment toward his mom's ancestry.
We could make a boat load of excuses up for why the "Old South" had their own reasons for being against civil rights--radical beliefs that they held. But whatever the reason, it doesn't matter, there's absolutely no excuse for generalizing any behavior upon an entire group. There are plenty of instances where greed, shelfishness, waste, and other ills of society, are not characteristics held by any one particular race .
There were many whites that did not participate in slavery, who did not believe in segregation, who truly accepted all races as equal, as exemplified in those people who held power, that voted for change. Yet Obama, the uniter, allowed Wright to continue evoking black rage in his sermons. Obama is living proof that this country is not as racist as Wright claims. Obama is living proof that opportunity is available if sought, Obama is proof that this country has evolved, that this country could not be where it is unless a substantial amount of white people had good within them too, to strive for what is right. Is it right for Obama to defend Wright despite the damage Wright may have perpetrated with his hate filled words, then attack Hillary and alienate her from what black support she did have with paranoid accusations of demeaning Martin Luther King Jr., despite Martin Luther King Jr. III stating he did not believe that to be the case?
Obama would like you to believe Rev. Wright's "dumb comments" (as he put it) were, "a mistake". He stated on The View, "how would you like it if the dumbest 6 things you've said in your life were played over and over again in a continuous loop?" Ah... well, first of all, I wouldn't allow those "dumb" things to be recorded on tapes to be sold as a representation of my church. Secondly, my personal feelings that I know some people may be offended by, I don't feel comfortable announcing them to everyone at work, much less in the middle of a church. I might say some stupid things time to time, but usually it's something that comes out wrong, and it just sounds bad....but I didn't mean it that way, and realize I made a mistake. I hardly feel Rev. Wright is sorry for anything, other than hurting Obama's chances of getting elected.
What the heck ever happened to the notion of equality? Why was equality a nobile concept when it was demanded from others, but now it's okay to abandon it? Why does his platform of "change" and "unity", not reflect itself in the philosophy of where he chooses to worship Christ's values? If Obama believes "all men were created equal", then why is he making exceptions?
Unless to Obama, WORDS, are just that, ONLY words.
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Yes, anyone can write a persuasive speech and not mean it, actions speak louder than words
He is an opportunistic, ambitious politicain using the race card both ways to box Hillary into a corner, and win the nomination. He may very well succeed, but, in the process, will destroy the democratic party for decades!!!View thread
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check myspace blog and see what I have put together; share this with everyone you know; we have to bring obama down from this FREE ride he has been getting from the mainstream media as well!
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Yes, anyone can write a persuasive speech and not mean it, actions speak louder than words
Yes, anyone can write a persuasive speech and not mean it, actions speak louder than words
Repeated? Hearing "God damn America!" once isn't enough?
The one and only one?
Doubtful.
Yes, but big or little spoiled brats, always seem to get their way. When they screamed loud enough!
So the $26,000.00, they donated to their church last year, is really going to get them a $1.6 million house? $26,000 for a $1.6 million return. I say that is pretty cunning and elitist!
"....If I ever heard any statements emanating from somebody in our campaign, whether a staff person or volunteer that I thought was bigoted or derogatory, racist or anti-Semitic, or sexist in anyway than those people would be removed from my campaign." Obama " "
"...it's not surprising that in December Mr. Wright's church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan for lifetime achievement. In the church magazine, Trumpet, Mr. Wright spoke glowingly of the Nation of Islam leader. "His depth on analysis [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye-opening," Mr. Wright said of Mr. Farrakhan. "He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest."
After Newsmax broke the story of the award to Farrakhan on Jan. 14, Mr. Obama issued a statement. However, Mr. Obama ignored the main point: that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of M...
"....If I ever heard any statements emanating from somebody in our campaign, whether a staff person or volunteer that I thought was bigoted or derogatory, racist or anti-Semitic, or sexist in anyway than those people would be removed from my campaign." Obama " "
"...it's not surprising that in December Mr. Wright's church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan for lifetime achievement. In the church magazine, Trumpet, Mr. Wright spoke glowingly of the Nation of Islam leader. "His depth on analysis [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye-opening," Mr. Wright said of Mr. Farrakhan. "He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest."
After Newsmax broke the story of the award to Farrakhan on Jan. 14, Mr. Obama issued a statement. However, Mr. Obama ignored the main point: that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of Mr. Farrakhan, and that Mr. Wright's church was behind the award to the Nation of Islam leader."--Wallstreet Journal online, Ronald Kessler,
March 14, 2008
"I had not heard him make such, what I consider to be objectionable remarks from the pulpit. Had I heard them while I was in church, I would have objected."
In his own memoir "Dreams From My Father," Obama described how an early meeting with Wright quickly devolved into Wright telling him in paranoid terms that the black man will never be safe in America. Obama told of an early sermon that preached of a world of white greed, "a world where cruise ships throw away more food than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere." --Obama's Clintonesque Speech, by Brent Bozell III, March 26, 2008
http://www.suntimes.com/news/...
Can we stop being in denial? The man could shoot his followers, and they would apologize for being in his way.
Yes, anyone can write a persuasive speech and not mean it, actions speak louder than words
I think it is sad that this presidential election has come down to race and gender. Instead of concerning ourselves with such as that, we should all be shouting we want a change, we want something different than the wrangling of Republicans and Democrats who are more loyal to their parties than to the American citizens. We NEED someone who has the gumption and the courage to stand up for what is RIGHT, not for what their political party may have on their agenda.
Too bad Ron Paul is simply discounted, the American citizens will NOT take anyone seriously that is not a candidate of the two dominant political parties. When this country comes tumbling down, we can blame the politicians, but we also must blame ourselves for being led as if we were sheep. Too many people are caught up with day to day life, working, covering the mortgage, making sure that our children have all the 'trappings' that other children have, and so little time considering what is going on with our government.
Yes, anyone can write a persuasive speech and not mean it, actions speak louder than words
Yes, anyone can write a persuasive speech and not mean it, actions speak louder than words
One other area that shows his true lack of leadership ability is the fact that he is always being led. First my hi Wife who led him when he was an intern, who led him to Resko and then led him to Wright and the TUCC. Then he was led by Wright (his own admission) who became a mentor, an uncle an inspriation. What an inspiirtion to hate? He stated the older semstors convinced him to run. How many leaders follw other people like he does? Again this is not a leader but someone who is led. Do we really need another puppet with not real or orginal ideas the lead this country further into 3rd world status.Can another leader in training lead? I think not.
Yes, anyone can write a persuasive speech and not mean it, actions speak louder than words
How is it that our peoples have become so mentally dim in the last 10 years.
I am seriously scared of an Obama presidency. Thats is why I am doing whatever I can to discredit the Man. . .
Yes, anyone can write a persuasive speech and not mean it, actions speak louder than words
WE are smarter than that. Obama's words are just empty words, especially his Book.
Thanks! Janet for all the information! Can you post that on MSNBC?