With Romney's 39% win in New Hampshire, should Obama be worried ?
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Mopeder 2012/01/11 12:23:02
Obama is holding his cards close to the vest, and keeping his powder dry. Something the Republicans have not been doing.
Late spring and all summer long the Obama BILLION dollar machine will be grinding up our candidate
Romney has his baggage and so do the others to varying degrees.
He has a lot to be worried about - which is why we already see liberals teaming up with Paul and Gingrich types to try and derail Romney the candidate.
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I'm going to give you the chance to withdraw that statement in an edit so you don't look ignorant.
BTW - You're not a moderate. Moderates support issues and candidates on both sides. You're a classic liberal.
Not. True. So either you're plain ignorant or you like to perpetuate a lie in the face of simple fact.
Liberal isn't an insult - its interesting that you percieve it that way - its simply a better label. Why would you run away from it? Why would you be afraid of it?
You voted Nixon decades ago? Thats fine. My dad voted for McGovern and now he's about as conservative as they come. Give me something fresh. Give me a conservative idea or candidate now that you're in favor of and we'll talk. Its very simple. Liberals believe in liberal ideas and support liberal candiates and flame conservatives (what you do), conservatives do the vice versa. Moderates can see both sides. They don't rant and rave about "Ken" dolls or "RINOs" or whatever tagline helps them that day. You rant on against conservatives like a liberal, which is fine. Do what you want to do. Just don't be afraid to say who you truly are. Don't lie about who you are.
Me? I'm a conservative leaning moderate. I mostly vote for the GOP but I'm more liberal on social issues like gay marriage. See how easy and honest that is? Why don't you try it?
Since you don't lie and you didn't address it I guess that a tacit admission that you were 100 percent incorrect about Reagan? Why afraid to admit a simple mistake?
So you are a modern liberal. If the modern "GOP" is too extreme for you then there isn't anything in conservatism for you, which leaves you as a liberal. You give me Huntsman. Does that mean you'd vote for Huntsman over Obama? You still didn't really give me a position on the right that you'd accept. You only really clarified what your liberal policies are geared toward. You are direct on that, but not on conservative beliefs. What about Huntsman, as a conservative, do you like? Or is it simply that he does have liberal beliefs here and there?
Why can you be so direct on the liberal side yet so vague that I have to pull teeth to get clarity on what conservative values you have to make you a moderate? I think its because you know you're a liberal and for the life of me I can't understand why you'd hide from it. Its just a term.
Obama isn't center at all, certainly not center right. He's a classic big government liberal who governs via ideology....
Since you don't lie and you didn't address it I guess that a tacit admission that you were 100 percent incorrect about Reagan? Why afraid to admit a simple mistake?
So you are a modern liberal. If the modern "GOP" is too extreme for you then there isn't anything in conservatism for you, which leaves you as a liberal. You give me Huntsman. Does that mean you'd vote for Huntsman over Obama? You still didn't really give me a position on the right that you'd accept. You only really clarified what your liberal policies are geared toward. You are direct on that, but not on conservative beliefs. What about Huntsman, as a conservative, do you like? Or is it simply that he does have liberal beliefs here and there?
Why can you be so direct on the liberal side yet so vague that I have to pull teeth to get clarity on what conservative values you have to make you a moderate? I think its because you know you're a liberal and for the life of me I can't understand why you'd hide from it. Its just a term.
Obama isn't center at all, certainly not center right. He's a classic big government liberal who governs via ideology. I actually prefered Hillary because I believed she would be a practical candidate no matter her beliefs. I believe the exact same thing about Romney. The problem with Romney is the class warfare BS put out by OWS and general hatred of anyone who earned a level of means. It comes out in accusations and epithets about being a "corporate elitist" - yet those charges are rarely followed up with any substantive meat. Which is why I know its class warfare BS.
What you insist on calling me is of no consequence to me. I know what I am. I don't even know what a "modern" liberal is. I am not for big government, and think every department needs to be audited and stripped down. I agree with Paul about the wars and the addiction to the military/industrial complex. I want corrupt health insurance companies to be regulated by anti-trust. I want the Gramm-Bliley Act restored. I want every lobbyist run off K Street in D.C. I want Citizens United overturned and elections publicly funded. That is what both ideologies should want, government of, by, and for the people. Anyone who disagrees I would call a corporatist supporting continued purchasing of our government by the highest bidders.
I also don't share your belief that Americans can't think for themselves, that money and marketing decide elections and that voters can only vote based on who companies tell them too. Thats absurd and insulting.
I want a government of, by and for the people. In that way I want every possible thought to have a voice. I'm not for silencing a point of view.
But then again I'm not biased like you. I don't agree with liberals but I don't feel the need to prejudge them by adding an epithet in front of them. Insurers by and large are not corrupt. That you head into the debate from that point of view shows that you're incapable of clear thought. Your bought and paid for by an ideology.
You're not biased? Don't make me laugh til my sides hurt. You are another right wing extremist masqueraging as a moderate bought and paid for by that ideology. To you nothing is wrong with corrupt capitalism, corporation lobbyists with influence financing campaigns, and more tax breaks for the uber rich.
I bet you wouldn't silence unions or other social special interest groups that want to donate or run ads. So you've singled out out area of opposition that you want to silence for your benefit. Thats fascist.
I have my opinion but I'm more than willing to listen to both sides. I don't characterize people I disagree with as evil - certainly not groups. I think Obama is a flawed politician with incorrect ideas on how to move the nation forward. I still think he's a good man that does what he thinks is in the best interests for the nation. How many RWNJs say that? Can you say the same about Boehner or Romney or Perry? I highly doubt it. Thats hwat makes you biased. your hatred and classification of the other side.
Also, how many extreme right wingers are very pro gay marriage? Believe that state run healthcare programs aren't a problem?
To me, the problem isn't ...
I bet you wouldn't silence unions or other social special interest groups that want to donate or run ads. So you've singled out out area of opposition that you want to silence for your benefit. Thats fascist.
I have my opinion but I'm more than willing to listen to both sides. I don't characterize people I disagree with as evil - certainly not groups. I think Obama is a flawed politician with incorrect ideas on how to move the nation forward. I still think he's a good man that does what he thinks is in the best interests for the nation. How many RWNJs say that? Can you say the same about Boehner or Romney or Perry? I highly doubt it. Thats hwat makes you biased. your hatred and classification of the other side.
Also, how many extreme right wingers are very pro gay marriage? Believe that state run healthcare programs aren't a problem?
To me, the problem isn't with capitalism - its with corrupt individuals and companies (a handful) that need to be cut out by a calpel. There are many good individuals and companies that shouldn't suffer your wrath simply because you hate so much. Thats the difference between you and me. I take a clinical and thought out approach. You prejudge and hate an entire group and react on pure emotion with little thought.
So it's only a handful of corrupt individuals and companies? I say it has become pervasive over the last 30 years, and why we are where we are right now.
Face it. With a 2 party system it has become analogous to ones favorite football team that one will support no matter what. When they win one puffs up and brags, and when they lose one pouts and then blames the refs, or the weather, or the QB.
I don't hate people personally, but I hate what they stand for in many instances, and I reserve the right to call them stupid, or that they are feeding disinformation to the public, or they are making pledges to lobbyists that they have no right to do so.
If these 2 parties do not resolve to work together and cooperate instead of campaigning to stay in government we are doomed.
You and I have a much different world view and thats where the disconnect is. I see problems, but fixable with the right regulation and legal action. You see a more pervasive problem that requires the system itself to be attacked. We're constantly going to butt heads over that with no winner.
I don't think thats entirely true. I think its on the individual to keep the two party system in check. A lot of people treat it like sports, correct. But a lot of people want to see the best outcome. I'm in the latter group. To be blatantly honest, I see you in the former group the way you attack conservatives. Instead of trying to reach across to come to a friendly compromise you've labled certain types of people and businesses as enemies. Its the same thing the Limbaughs do to liberals. Its that sports mentality.
If more people disagreed instead of attacked we'd be in better shape. We'd realize that all people are just people with faults. Some are bad, some are good and...
You and I have a much different world view and thats where the disconnect is. I see problems, but fixable with the right regulation and legal action. You see a more pervasive problem that requires the system itself to be attacked. We're constantly going to butt heads over that with no winner.
I don't think thats entirely true. I think its on the individual to keep the two party system in check. A lot of people treat it like sports, correct. But a lot of people want to see the best outcome. I'm in the latter group. To be blatantly honest, I see you in the former group the way you attack conservatives. Instead of trying to reach across to come to a friendly compromise you've labled certain types of people and businesses as enemies. Its the same thing the Limbaughs do to liberals. Its that sports mentality.
If more people disagreed instead of attacked we'd be in better shape. We'd realize that all people are just people with faults. Some are bad, some are good and some make human decisions that can go either way. To roundly criticize and attack one particular group of people as evil helps no one and only serves to divide us all more. Government and the private sector should be able to work together, not attack each other. Companies need to give in on some thing and government needs to give breathing room on other things so that the economy can grow. Accusatory policymaking is dangerous.