With Our currents Presidents dismal record does he deserve a second chance?

by Debowman Posted 2012/06/30 04:31:24

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Brack Obama has spent 3 and a half years, blaming everything on everyone else. At no time in his Presidency, has he stood up like a man and simply said, it's my fault. It's always someone else. He has shown that he has no idea of how free enterprise works, he has presided over 38 months of the worst unemployment in 80 years. We hear things like Forward, promising speaches, but we never hear hard numbers, facts, these are always side steped or someone else fault. Three years ago, President Obama told the American people that if he couldn't get our economy turned around by 2012, he'd be looking at a one-term proposition. Well, he was right -- it's time to hold him accountable.

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cjj ~ FTGOP 2012/06/30 05:49:40

He does deserve a second chance

+3
Romney's a disaster.
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American 2012/07/03 14:55:40

He does deserve a second chance

How utterly ridiculous can one get? Why in the hell should the president stand up and take the blame for the previous Bush and the Republican administration's mess?

I have never heard the President verbally blame anyone else for this mess. He doesn't need to. All of us who are not blinded by an irrational, rabid, illogical fervor of Obama hatred already know who is and was to blame for this mess and it most certainly is not Obama.

We also know who the Un American obstructionist are who are doing everything in their power to make Obama a "one term president" even at the expense of this country's well being.

They are the ones who have not done even one thing to create jobs and stabilize the economy, but spend their whole time on social issues, depriving women of their rights, praying for failure of the economy, praying for increases in unemployment, tax breaks for the rich, obstructing progress, denying health care for the sick the needy, plotting against the president and advocating for further erosion of the middle class.

The American people are not as crazy or forgetful as Republicans wish they were. Unlike them we do not pretend to suffer from the malady of "George W. Bush's previous disastrous job killing, economy busting administration" amnesia about who wa...

How utterly ridiculous can one get? Why in the hell should the president stand up and take the blame for the previous Bush and the Republican administration's mess?

I have never heard the President verbally blame anyone else for this mess. He doesn't need to. All of us who are not blinded by an irrational, rabid, illogical fervor of Obama hatred already know who is and was to blame for this mess and it most certainly is not Obama.

We also know who the Un American obstructionist are who are doing everything in their power to make Obama a "one term president" even at the expense of this country's well being.

They are the ones who have not done even one thing to create jobs and stabilize the economy, but spend their whole time on social issues, depriving women of their rights, praying for failure of the economy, praying for increases in unemployment, tax breaks for the rich, obstructing progress, denying health care for the sick the needy, plotting against the president and advocating for further erosion of the middle class.

The American people are not as crazy or forgetful as Republicans wish they were. Unlike them we do not pretend to suffer from the malady of "George W. Bush's previous disastrous job killing, economy busting administration" amnesia about who was in charge when this country was led to the brink of destruction. We also know who, in spite of Republican obstructionism and traitorous treachery is in the process of bringing it back from the brink of destruction.
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Debowman to American 2012/07/04 05:12:37

Seems you are blinded by an irrational, rabid, illogical fervor of Obama worship, and you have fell into the same retoric Obama uses. His policies have made things a lot worse that they were just 3 years ago. and while Obama claimed Bush was unpatrotic for spending so much money, Obama has spent 3 ties the amount that Bush did. with no results, I might add. Under Bush we has 55 months of straight job creation, unemployment which averaged 5.6% And a GNP which grew at 3.4 %. While you want to take lessons from Obama on Blaming Bush, it was the policies adopted by Clinton which had much more to do with the mortage crisses that anything Bush did. Had Clinton not dregulated ith Banking system by signing the FMA if 1999 we wouldn't have had mortage swaps. Whats even more interesting is your lack of Knowlege of Obamas tax breaks for the rich, and his heavytax on the middle class, which is the largest in the HISTORY of the united states.
you have never listen to Obma blame but here is a small sample.
Obama Blames Congress For Jobs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Obama blames Europe for US economic problems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Obama blames Bush for MA senate loss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Obama Blames Gas Prices For Slow Us Job Growth
http://www.youtube.com/wat...

Seems you are blinded by an irrational, rabid, illogical fervor of Obama worship, and you have fell into the same retoric Obama uses. His policies have made things a lot worse that they were just 3 years ago. and while Obama claimed Bush was unpatrotic for spending so much money, Obama has spent 3 ties the amount that Bush did. with no results, I might add. Under Bush we has 55 months of straight job creation, unemployment which averaged 5.6% And a GNP which grew at 3.4 %. While you want to take lessons from Obama on Blaming Bush, it was the policies adopted by Clinton which had much more to do with the mortage crisses that anything Bush did. Had Clinton not dregulated ith Banking system by signing the FMA if 1999 we wouldn't have had mortage swaps. Whats even more interesting is your lack of Knowlege of Obamas tax breaks for the rich, and his heavytax on the middle class, which is the largest in the HISTORY of the united states.
you have never listen to Obma blame but here is a small sample.
Obama Blames Congress For Jobs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Obama blames Europe for US economic problems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Obama blames Bush for MA senate loss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Obama Blames Gas Prices For Slow Us Job Growth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Obama blames Congress for stalling debt talks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
President Obama blames Congress for inaction!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
The majority of people have spit out the koolaid, they are aware of the fact that Obama was supported by Wall street, acepting 42 million fron them during the last election. and failing to regulate them in the ast 3 years. Only changing how they make money from the middle class
them in 2010. His enegery policies have killedgrowth, while Russia drills
for oil 3 miles off our coast. Obama is the 1% and 4 more years of his polices and spending will put us with a 22 trillion natioal debt, and still no jobs. the was not Replubican Controll of congress as the democrats have had control from 2006 onward, yet some Liberals like you forget that. His own party is distancing themselves from his failed policies and job killing . and Congress which he had total controll of the 1st 2 years only blocked themselves, Democrats blocking his failed ideas. YOU and your party have lost this battle, and this election Obama is unable to outspend his GOP opponet like he did McCain. I don't like Romney, but at least he knows how to grow a business. Obama with his lack of any experence except being a JR senator, who by the way, voted for those war, and Bush policies, only knows how to divide Americans. YOu can't back anything you say up with facts, only LWNJ talking points I can prove everything with FACTS. A liberals worst enemy.
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American to Debowman 2012/07/04 05:50:09 (edited)

Who are you trying to convince, yourself. I know everything I need to know about Obama. I also know and said what I know about Republicans. I stand by everything I said. You're wasting your time posting right wing propaganda, BS, distortions and lies for me to read. I have read that Obama hating crap so much until I don't even bother to read it any more. It bores me.

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Debowman to American 2012/07/04 15:49:27

You know everthing you want to know, the reason you read it so much, it is true. SO go away watch in Nov as he doesn't have 700 million to spend this election, can't buy it.

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American to Debowman 2012/07/04 16:16:47 (edited)

What some RWNJs need to do is wait and see if lying, two faced Mitt Romney can buy the election. Until then they should just STFU. Unlike what some have been programmed to think, Obama did not have to buy the election. Idiots are not in a majority in this country. No one with one iota of sense was ignorant and stupid enough to vote for the old man and the blithering idiot aka Sarah Palin. Some people are just perturbed because only idiots and other RWNJs are stupid enough to read and/or believe their Obama hating lies, distortions, propaganda and BS. :-)

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Debowman to American 2012/07/05 02:41:12

yet there was a 48% to 52 % split of the populat vote in 2008, your brainwashed and a total sheep nuff said. the real idiot is the hateful liberls like you who cannot admit the truth. Obma is a failed president,who has out spent Bush 3 to 1 while keep every Bush policy in place'

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ehrhornp 2012/07/03 02:27:36

He does deserve a second chance

+2
Obama inherited a country in a free fall with the dow Jones falling to under 7000. Now under Obama it has risen to over 13000. While it has fallen back to under 13000 I am confident that it will be above 13500 come November. No way will I vote for a candidate that wants to return to the days of G W Bush with further transfers of wealth from the middle class to the rich. Socialists for the rich should be exported to Oceania.

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Debowman to ehrhornp 2012/07/03 07:49:27

Obama has continued EVERY Bush policy, keep every tax break, and futher strengthed the gov't power, while hiding things even more than Bush, not only that he has caused the middle class to have the largest tax in history, so what do you mean GO back??? you have never left.

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ehrhornp to Debowman 2012/07/03 14:44:08

+1
Stock market is almost at 13000 far better than the free fall GW left us in, Obama has lifted the gag rule and and has allowed stem cell research. He passed the lead something act on his first day that prohibits pay inequality for women. The economy is recovering and would have been much stronger if he had taken my advice and treated the republicans as scum they are.

Now what largest tax in history are you talking about? Certainly you cannot be referring to the health care law. That will only affect the free loaders in society. Since when do republicans give a rats ass about freeloaders?

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Debowman to ehrhornp 2012/07/04 05:18:50

•The 10 percent bracket rises to a new and expanded 15 percent
•The 25 percent bracket rises to 28 percent
•The 28 percent bracket rises to 31 percent
•The 33 percent bracket rises to 36 percent
•The 35 percent bracket rises to 39.6 percent
This has nothing to do with HC but that in itself is one hell of a huge tax, and as a good portion of the Democrat supporters are the entitlement group hmmmm

1. A 156 percent increase in the federal excise tax on tobacco

2. Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax

3. Obamacare Employer Mandate Tax

4. Obamacare Surtax on Investment Income

5. Obamacare Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans

6. Obamacare Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax

7. Obamacare Medicine Cabinet Tax

8. Obamacare HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike

9. Obamacare Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax”

10. Obamacare Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers

11. Obamacare “Haircut” for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI

12. Obamacare Tax on Indoor Tanning Services

13. Obamacare elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D

14. Obamacare Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike

15. Obamacare Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals

16. Obamacare Tax on Innovator Drug Companies

17. Obamacare Tax on Healt...

•The 10 percent bracket rises to a new and expanded 15 percent
•The 25 percent bracket rises to 28 percent
•The 28 percent bracket rises to 31 percent
•The 33 percent bracket rises to 36 percent
•The 35 percent bracket rises to 39.6 percent
This has nothing to do with HC but that in itself is one hell of a huge tax, and as a good portion of the Democrat supporters are the entitlement group hmmmm

1. A 156 percent increase in the federal excise tax on tobacco

2. Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax

3. Obamacare Employer Mandate Tax

4. Obamacare Surtax on Investment Income

5. Obamacare Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans

6. Obamacare Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax

7. Obamacare Medicine Cabinet Tax

8. Obamacare HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike

9. Obamacare Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax”

10. Obamacare Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers

11. Obamacare “Haircut” for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI

12. Obamacare Tax on Indoor Tanning Services

13. Obamacare elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D

14. Obamacare Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike

15. Obamacare Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals

16. Obamacare Tax on Innovator Drug Companies

17. Obamacare Tax on Health Insurers

18. Obamacare $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives

19. Obamacare Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2

20. Obamacare “Black liquor” tax hike

21. Obamacare Codification of the “economic substance doctrine”
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ehrhornp to Debowman 2012/07/04 16:19:34

lol, and the problem is? Do you have any links to these taxes? I don't see what the problem is in taxing things that are likely to cause more health problems. Without knowing the specifics on these taxes I cannot comment.

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Debowman to ehrhornp 2012/07/05 02:45:26

you look them up, not my place to do your research 4 you on all of the taxes on ppl makeing less than 250,000. Even though those were the failures words. Instead go to liberal blog let them assure you there are no taxes, and believe the blogs instead of finding out for yourself. It's typical liberal OP. Deny deny deny the attack, meanwhile the truth just passes you by

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ehrhornp to Debowman 2012/07/05 21:02:53

Ah that is what I love about phony conservatives. They toss a bunch of crap out there and then when they are questioned about it, say do your own research.

I will continue to believe that most of what you posted is either outright lies or vastly exaggerated. Prove me wrong if you can.

I knot that if Mitt was president and had implemented his tax plan, my family would be looking on capital gains on at least $750,000. No thank you. How about you paying it instead?

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Debowman to ehrhornp 2012/07/14 15:11:28

Obama raised the capitol gains tax you idiot

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ehrhornp to Debowman 2012/07/14 15:41:30

I know that Mitt if he becomes president will push for capital gains on inherited property from day one. Date of original sale from the deceased. In my Mother's case we would be looking at capital gains on $750,000 on just her home. Fortunately we have the present system and since her estate was below the deduction, we had no taxes to pay.

Love your links but the fact is the government has a revenue problem as opposed to a spending problem.

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Debowman to ehrhornp 2012/07/14 15:53:43

Love the fact you don't have the truth on your side, and when compared to Obamas taxes, Mitt are much lower, but you are still drinking the Kool-aid. I am sorry the truth doesn't beat out your position.

" Romney proposes keeping the current 15 percent capital gains rate for the estimated 2 percent of households making more than $200,000 a year and eliminating investment taxes for everyone else. Obama wants the rate to rise to 23.8 percent as scheduled in 2013."

FACTS man sorry they don't agree with what you are typing.

•The 10 percent bracket rises to a new and expanded 15 percent
•The 25 percent bracket rises to 28 percent
•The 28 percent bracket rises to 31 percent
•The 33 percent bracket rises to 36 percent
•The 35 percent bracket rises to 39.6 percent
This has nothing to do with HC but that in itself is one hell of a huge tax, and as a good portion of the Democrat supporters are the entitlement group hmmmm

1. A 156 percent increase in the federal excise tax on tobacco

2. Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax

3. Obamacare Employer Mandate Tax

4. Obamacare Surtax on Investment Income

5. Obamacare Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans

6. Obamacare Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax

7. Obamacare Medicine Cabinet Tax

8. Obamacare HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike

9. Obamacare Flexible...

Love the fact you don't have the truth on your side, and when compared to Obamas taxes, Mitt are much lower, but you are still drinking the Kool-aid. I am sorry the truth doesn't beat out your position.

" Romney proposes keeping the current 15 percent capital gains rate for the estimated 2 percent of households making more than $200,000 a year and eliminating investment taxes for everyone else. Obama wants the rate to rise to 23.8 percent as scheduled in 2013."

FACTS man sorry they don't agree with what you are typing.

•The 10 percent bracket rises to a new and expanded 15 percent
•The 25 percent bracket rises to 28 percent
•The 28 percent bracket rises to 31 percent
•The 33 percent bracket rises to 36 percent
•The 35 percent bracket rises to 39.6 percent
This has nothing to do with HC but that in itself is one hell of a huge tax, and as a good portion of the Democrat supporters are the entitlement group hmmmm

1. A 156 percent increase in the federal excise tax on tobacco

2. Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax

3. Obamacare Employer Mandate Tax

4. Obamacare Surtax on Investment Income

5. Obamacare Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans

6. Obamacare Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax

7. Obamacare Medicine Cabinet Tax

8. Obamacare HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike

9. Obamacare Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax”

10. Obamacare Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers

11. Obamacare “Haircut” for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI

12. Obamacare Tax on Indoor Tanning Services

13. Obamacare elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D

14. Obamacare Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike

15. Obamacare Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals

16. Obamacare Tax on Innovator Drug Companies

17. Obamacare Tax on Health Insurers

18. Obamacare $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives

19. Obamacare Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2

20. Obamacare “Black liquor” tax hike

21. Obamacare Codification of the “economic substance doctrine”
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ehrhornp to Debowman 2012/07/14 16:04:26

Loved your link. Oh, there is none. Wonder what far right site you got this from?

Notice you didn't include any reasons for these taxes. Indoor tanning for example will result in skin cancer which means wasting the medical system for something that is a choice. I think such a tax is appropriate. why should my rates be higher due to your stupidity?

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Debowman to ehrhornp 2012/07/14 16:10:50

without the ACA it wouldn't be. you really want a link, why, you won't read it, simply because you don't like the truth, and this blows your position totaly. your position is based on Liberal talking points, mine on facts
http://www.atr.org/comprehens...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/p...

http://www.sternfannetwork.co...

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ehrhornp to Debowman 2012/07/14 16:48:36

Not sure what the American chiropractic association has to do with anything but you should really read the following to see what the real problem is:

http://consortiumnews.com/201...

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Michaelene 2012/07/01 17:37:00

He doesn't deserve a second chance

+1
Just ask the millions of people with Obama voter's remorse, the millions who left the democratic party due to the scourge of progressives, the lack of leadership except to keep people angry and downtrodden and his unending support of the OWS which shamed our naionwhile trying to disrupt commerce.
His win on the Obama health tax bill combined with putting illegals ahead of legal immigrants has just inspired the sleeping giant!

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ehrhornp to Michaelene 2012/07/14 15:42:40

http://consortiumnews.com/201...

Fell for the republican traitorous plan I see.

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Michaelene to ehrhornp 2012/07/14 17:24:42

No, I'm not a republican. I'm an independent, former democrat who has always been a fiscally conservative, socially moderate American.
As a dem, I worked with many so called progressives whose ideology is in fact socialism, communism, democratic socialists and even some Maoists. All registered democrats whom I refuse to associate with, as I prefer free markets, capitalism and a Constitutional form of a republic government.

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ehrhornp to Michaelene 2012/07/14 18:45:17

Well if you are fiscally conservative, then you should vote democratic as one has to go back to Eisenhower to find a republican president who submitted a balanced budget to congress.

Just love when people toss around words such as socialism, communism, Maoists. You are just out to lunch. Obviously you have no idea what these words mean. Past democrat? I doubt it. You will do fine in the republican party. Love so called independents who are really republicans but realize that their party has screwed up again and again. Well vote for Mitt. Bin's buddies will thank you.

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Michaelene to ehrhornp 2012/07/18 14:27:44

It's obvious you have no idea. Stop defending and denying and start researching.

Do you know the names of the socialist party candidates running for Senate, Congress, Schol Boards and City council positions?
Go to their website, their 2012 campaign profiles are available.

Maoists, hmm, so far two of his appointees have publicly said they admire him, inspired by his writings and one has been visiting China for decades. Watch the video of Obama cheering on the pianist at a State Dinne for China, where the song sings the praises of the death of American's in the Korean War.

Communists? Did you ever visit an occupy site, you're missing out on their great literature. Choamsky is a best seller there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Perhaps you caught their One Nation solidarity march featuring admitted commies like Van Jones, Richard Trumka, and was officially sponsored by:
Communist Party USA, the Committee of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism (founded as a "moderate" wing of the CPUSA), the International Socialist Organization (publishers of SocialistWorker.org), and the Democratic Socialists of America (as well as its Chicago, Detroit, and New York chapters).

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/...

You dare to bring the word BUDGET in here? Obama's never seen one, passed...

It's obvious you have no idea. Stop defending and denying and start researching.

Do you know the names of the socialist party candidates running for Senate, Congress, Schol Boards and City council positions?
Go to their website, their 2012 campaign profiles are available.

Maoists, hmm, so far two of his appointees have publicly said they admire him, inspired by his writings and one has been visiting China for decades. Watch the video of Obama cheering on the pianist at a State Dinne for China, where the song sings the praises of the death of American's in the Korean War.

Communists? Did you ever visit an occupy site, you're missing out on their great literature. Choamsky is a best seller there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Perhaps you caught their One Nation solidarity march featuring admitted commies like Van Jones, Richard Trumka, and was officially sponsored by:
Communist Party USA, the Committee of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism (founded as a "moderate" wing of the CPUSA), the International Socialist Organization (publishers of SocialistWorker.org), and the Democratic Socialists of America (as well as its Chicago, Detroit, and New York chapters).

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/...

You dare to bring the word BUDGET in here? Obama's never seen one, passed one or followed one, he's Mr blank check man. 1100+ days without one in America.

Pal, I wasn't an average democrat, I actually worked, volunteered, and traveled for democrats for more than two decades, from school boards to Presidential campaigns. I've witnessed the division and radical change and would rather stand alone than alongside those I've mentioned above.
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ehrhornp to Michaelene 2012/07/18 16:45:06 (edited)

No I don't know their names. Why should I? It is not like they are going to win. Umm what two appointments said that they admired Mao? Have a link? Same with that song. Sounds like far right propaganda.

Van Jones is a commie? If that is so then that makes republicans fascist scum. Wait, they are. lol

Fact remains a republican has not submitted a balanced budget to congress since Eisenhower and obviously Mitt will not either. But what he will do is to squeeze the middle class which will just lead to another economic collapse.

Obviously Obama cannot submit a balanced budget as the best way to get out of a fiscal mess GW put us in is to deficit spend. Shame you ignore what has worked in the past. What has not worked is voodoo economics. (Smartest thing Papa Bush said)

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Debowman to ehrhornp 2012/07/18 18:04:54

+1
Interesting that while you cry about a republican budget, Obama can't even get one past his one party. Not one budget in 4 years, sad huh

And if you had any brains you would know GW Bush didn't put us in the Mortage crisis.
http://tjhancock.wordpress.co...

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ehrhornp to Debowman 2012/07/18 18:25:28

Well when republicans have a do nothing attitude what do you expect. As for the mortgage crisis, my point is that congress was controlled by republicans when the crisis started. Pretty pathetic to blame a member of the minority party for the crisis but so typical of republicans who never admit that they screwed up.

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Debowman to ehrhornp 2012/07/18 19:01:36
ehrhornp to Debowman 2012/07/18 19:46:28 (edited)

It is the GOP. The GOP took the position on day one to oppose everything that Obama proposes even if it is something republicans supported in the past. Republican are little more than cry babies who throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way.

You are free to support socialism for the rich. Just don't call yourself conservative. Last true republican conservative was Goldwater.

Yes I will vote for Obama as I do not want to go through another economic crash. Republicans have a history of crashing the economy by practicing socialism for the rich and I am frankly sick of them.

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Debowman to ehrhornp 2012/07/19 01:50:46

lol, ok stand by and watch the crash, you won't look at the fact that Obama isn't gonna tax the rich, he says it in speaches then does what he want's. Look it up man omfg
Obama can't start the economey, your free to support socialism for the middle class, look what it got the USSR, we are headed that way. Obama is following a tried and failed economic model, don't know why you think it will work this time when it has failed throughout history. Obama is preposing 1.8 trillion dollar budgets and 700 billion in taxes on the rich. Where you think the other new taxes coming from. It isn't the GOP any time we have experenced true econimic growth, it been due to the Republicans. Good thing he isn't gonna win this election, America has had enough of the dirty politics Obama has brought to the office, his lies are catching up with him except for the truly stupid. Thats where you come in

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ehrhornp to Debowman 2012/07/20 08:31:45

Where have you been? We have already experienced the crash. It happened under your hero G W Bush. Now your new hero promises more of the same.

You are wrong about the USSR, that was their military industrial complex that did them in. Of course military is a type of socialism but unfortunately one that we have lots of. Ever wonder why we are now trailing Canada? You can thank two primary reasons: Our military industrial complex and our idiotic war on drugs.

Socialism for the middle class sure beats socialism for the rich which is what Mitt wants. Why would anyone want to transfer some of their wealth to the very rich?

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Debowman to ehrhornp 2012/07/20 18:50:49 (edited)

lol, yet if it crashed under Bush, WHY has Obama keep the very same policies in place. Answer that please? And by your logic, we have experenced the lack of recovery under this failed president. Time for a change. Also the policies that caused the Crash, Clinton put in place not Bush. You should start there, until you are actually willing to think and quit the blame game, go away. If you answer is another pathic blame BS accuisation I am just going to block you. you are incapable of thinking. Just trying to put all of the blame where it doesn't blong.

Your dead wrong on the USSR socilism couldn't finance them any longer. After you bleed the people or run out of their money HMMM

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ehrhornp to Debowman 2012/07/20 23:57:31

While Obama has kept a lot of GW's policies in place, he has ended others. You might remember GW's ban on stem cell research except for a few lines? Ever heard of the Gag rule? Gone again with Obama as president. Finally Obama did what GW only promised and then forgot a mere 6 months later. Obama got Bin Laden. You know the person behind 9/11 and who GW said he would not rest until he is captured dead or alive?

At least Obama doesn't go off starting wars based upon lies. GW never did find WMDs in iraq even though his administration said they knew exactly where they were.

Be proud of your party and your past president. Not many can brag about inheriting a balanced budget and promptly replacing it with deficit spending or taking the stock market down over his tenure as president. Way to go.

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Debowman to ehrhornp 2012/07/21 04:21:40 (edited)

except there never was a blanced budget, Bush got a 133 billion dollar deficit. and if you look at what the stock market was when he was elelcted, he took it up that high. No dna proof on Osama either and for some reason all of seal team 6 present are now dead. while plenty of proof on him having 5 years to live in 2001. Obama has told so many BS lies, and I see you are getting off topic on the Economy and Jobs. Obama list of BS lies are so long we can disect them if you have a few days.

here is a link to the Clinton budget surplus, you can check thru the links at the Gov't on web site. In 2000 the defict was 17.91 billion, and the year Bush took office it was 133 billion. There isn't a positive there it's negitive. Funny? why doesn't the gov't own web sites show a surplus??? HMMMM maybe thats why they covered that debt clock huh/

http://www.treasurydirect.gov...
http://www.examiner.net/opini...

http://www.washingtontimes.co...

http://www.craigsteiner.us/ar...

The U.S. Treasury reported that during the Clinton years, 1993-2001, billions of dollars of deficits happened each year. This increase in deficits resulted in an increase in the national debt from $4.412 trillion to $ 5.807 trillion.
As the saying goes, “Figures don’t lie, but liars figure.”

there was no surplus, and...

except there never was a blanced budget, Bush got a 133 billion dollar deficit. and if you look at what the stock market was when he was elelcted, he took it up that high. No dna proof on Osama either and for some reason all of seal team 6 present are now dead. while plenty of proof on him having 5 years to live in 2001. Obama has told so many BS lies, and I see you are getting off topic on the Economy and Jobs. Obama list of BS lies are so long we can disect them if you have a few days.

here is a link to the Clinton budget surplus, you can check thru the links at the Gov't on web site. In 2000 the defict was 17.91 billion, and the year Bush took office it was 133 billion. There isn't a positive there it's negitive. Funny? why doesn't the gov't own web sites show a surplus??? HMMMM maybe thats why they covered that debt clock huh/

http://www.treasurydirect.gov...
http://www.examiner.net/opini...

http://www.washingtontimes.co...

http://www.craigsteiner.us/ar...

The U.S. Treasury reported that during the Clinton years, 1993-2001, billions of dollars of deficits happened each year. This increase in deficits resulted in an increase in the national debt from $4.412 trillion to $ 5.807 trillion.
As the saying goes, “Figures don’t lie, but liars figure.”

there was no surplus, and everyone agrees on that except you liberal bloggers, however the experts and the Gov't web site is probably a little more based on facts
Obama is losing in the polls for a reason, and thats the economy and jobs, the rest is BS smoke screen, Just like his ads which when fact checked, even the democrats admit, Obama is lying
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Michaelene to ehrhornp 2012/07/19 00:42:52

No wonder you defend and deny so much about Obama, you don't even know who he is, who he appoints or what his goals are, let's just say, I'm not shocked at all. A typical uninformed voter, the democrats love you, go get your window poster.
I'm not going to waste anymore time teaching you, I've given you enough keywords to do the search for info on your own, but you won't, you'll keep defending the undefendable.

Your comeback about republican fascists is funny only because it's so ignorant.
yes Dorothy you're not in Kansas anymore and these are the radicals controlling the POTUS, because of his hidden recored, he owes them.

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ehrhornp to Michaelene 2012/07/20 08:35:27

I think you are just brainwashed by the wacko right. The main problem with Obama is that he is a moderate and not a far left liberal. That is what we need after the far right destructive policies of socialism for the rich republicans. A shame you have buried your head to the facts.

Ever wonder why Canada has now surpassed us?

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Michaelene to ehrhornp 2012/07/20 12:00:33

LMAO, ok ignore the facts, ignore his radical advisors and plans, I know it's easier to live in denial.
Brainwashed? now that would be Holders job.

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ehrhornp to Michaelene 2012/07/20 16:00:24 (edited)

lol, so you are against doing anything about the gun violence in this country. It is a good thing you are not a Christian.

Oh, you say you are a Christian. lol
I don't think Jesus would approve of your shoot them up attitude.

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Michaelene to ehrhornp 2012/07/28 15:33:24

So sorry I didn't elaborate. The contemptous AG Holder's admittance using Department of Justice to brainwash the youth through use of the Dept of Education.
Do you believe that is the only brainwashing going on? Really?

I don't know what you originally said before your edit, but it has been proven that a trained armed citizen is safer.

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ehrhornp to Michaelene 2012/07/28 16:23:55

As I have said, so very Christian of you. I think Holder is correct. It is only through repetitive messaging against gun violence are you going to reduce it. Giving everyone guns will result in more people being shot on the average.

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