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With all the crazy people out there causing all sorts of chaos, should the government bring back mental hospitalization?

JacquelChrissyC.May 2012/08/16 02:16:45
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  • Alexander T Steward 2012/08/18 20:14:44
    yes
    Alexander T Steward
    Lock the nutters up and throw away the key.
  • The Birdman 2012/08/16 10:17:38
    no
    The Birdman
    The crazies will soon outnumber the sane population! Change the laws to federal crimes when a life or lives are taken and get the death penalty to resolve it. The penal system isn't working.
  • Altering_Minds. 2012/08/16 07:52:44
    yes
    Altering_Minds.
    W-When did they take it away???
    Do they think..
    w-when
    ?
  • TuringsChild 2012/08/16 05:32:14
    yes
    TuringsChild
    It should never have neglected its duty to protect the mentally ill and disturbed to begin with.
  • JanHopkins 2012/08/16 03:40:07
    yes
    JanHopkins
    When people are that damn crazy they need to be put in an institution.
  • gvc 2012/08/16 03:36:34
    Undecided
    gvc
    +1
    There would not be enough hospitals available to hold all the crazies.

    Are we going to let the "Government" determine when someone qualifies as crazy? If so we could have a turn over in population every 4 years......all Democrats if a Republican is in office and all Republicans if a Democrat is in office.
  • XENON23 2012/08/16 03:32:00
    yes
    XENON23
    +2
    Yes...We once made it too easy to commit a person but now it is too hard. We need a good middle ground. I would think that to protect people from a false commitment buy someone with no good on their mind we would set up a way to have say 2 out side evaluations. It is a hard call since it was very bad once.
  • Kat 2012/08/16 03:29:51
    yes
    Kat
    +2
    They can be the first customers
  • gvc Kat 2012/08/16 03:37:43
    gvc
    +1
    Blahahaha For sure!!!
  • sjalan 2012/08/16 03:29:17
    yes
    sjalan
    And you can thank Ronald Reagan for their demise in the first place.
  • Turings... sjalan 2012/08/16 05:34:15
    TuringsChild
    Actually it was Liberals trying to sabotage Reagan who released them in hopes of hurting Republicans in the process.
  • sjalan Turings... 2012/08/16 05:38:33
    sjalan
    +1
    You really don't know the history on this subject do you. Reagan Closed 90% of the hospitals for the mentally handicapped which at the time also was involved in helping 1000's of Vietnam Vets.

    HE DUMPED THEM ALL ON THE STREETS!! and left it up to the counties to deal with them. More than 240000 of them of which more than 12000 were vets

    Look up your history on it before you make a fool of yourself.
  • Turings... sjalan 2012/08/16 17:57:58
    TuringsChild
    No he did not.
    "The short answer is 'deinstitutionalization.' During the 1960s, many people began accusing the state mental hospitals of violating the civil rights of patients. Some families did, of course, commit incorrigible teenagers or eccentric relatives to years of involuntary confinement and unspeakable treatment. Nurse Ratched, the sadistic nurse famously portrayed in the book and film 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest,' became a symbol of institutional indifference to the mentally ill.

    By the late 1960s, the idea that the mentally ill were not so different from the rest of us, or perhaps were even a little bit more sane, became trendy. Reformers dreamed of taking the mentally ill out of the large institutions and housing them in smaller, community-based residences where they could live more productive and fulfilling lives.

    In 1967, Gov. Ronald Reagan signed the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act (LPS), which went into effect in 1969 and quickly became a national model. Among other things, it prohibited forced medication or extended hospital stays without a judicial hearing.

    A mental patient could be held for 72 hours only if he or she engaged in an act of serious violence or demonstrated a likelihood of suicide or an inability to provide their own food, shelter or clothing due to...


















    No he did not.
    "The short answer is 'deinstitutionalization.' During the 1960s, many people began accusing the state mental hospitals of violating the civil rights of patients. Some families did, of course, commit incorrigible teenagers or eccentric relatives to years of involuntary confinement and unspeakable treatment. Nurse Ratched, the sadistic nurse famously portrayed in the book and film 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest,' became a symbol of institutional indifference to the mentally ill.

    By the late 1960s, the idea that the mentally ill were not so different from the rest of us, or perhaps were even a little bit more sane, became trendy. Reformers dreamed of taking the mentally ill out of the large institutions and housing them in smaller, community-based residences where they could live more productive and fulfilling lives.

    In 1967, Gov. Ronald Reagan signed the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act (LPS), which went into effect in 1969 and quickly became a national model. Among other things, it prohibited forced medication or extended hospital stays without a judicial hearing.

    A mental patient could be held for 72 hours only if he or she engaged in an act of serious violence or demonstrated a likelihood of suicide or an inability to provide their own food, shelter or clothing due to mental illness. But 72 hours was rarely enough time to stabilize someone with medication. Only in extreme cases could someone be held another two weeks for evaluation and treatment.

    As a practical matter, involuntary commitment was no longer a plausible option.

    As one psychiatrist in a Bay Area hospital observed, 'By the time someone's been pumped full of Thorazine for 14 days, if they still seem dangerous to a judge, they have to be really dangerous.'

    The LPS Act emptied out the state's mental hospitals but resulted in an explosion of homelessness. Legislators never provided enough money for community-based programs to provide treatment and shelter. Even the most modest programs encountered local resistance.

    'No neighborhood wanted the mentally ill living among them,' recalled former state Sen. Tom Bates.

    Lanterman later expressed regret at the way the law was carried out. 'I wanted the law to help the mentally ill,' he said. 'I never meant for it to prevent those who need care from receiving it.'

    But that's exactly what happened for three decades."
    http://www.psychlaws.org/gene...

    That's right, the Governor signed a bill inspired by those who clamored for the "civil rights" of the mentally ill to be on the street AND who bogusly claimed they'd be better off with community counseling. So no, Reagan, didn't close mental hospitals or put anyone on the street. FAD views on mental health, a misguided ACLU, and politicians who "know better" did it.

    Oh and IN that same article:
    "Last year, Assemblywoman Helen Thomson, D-Davis, and Sen. Don Perata, D- Oakland, sponsored legislation that would have reformed the 30-year-old LPS Act and allowed California to join the 27 other states that can consider a patient's history of mental illness, as well as his or her current state of mental and physical deterioration. It cleared the Assembly 53-16, only to be stopped cold by Senate President Pro Tem John Burton, who vowed, 'It ain't going to happen.'"
    Some things never change. Oh and for those who don't know, Burton was a DEMOCRAT, so don't try to pin this on Republicans.
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  • sjalan Turings... 2012/08/16 19:45:04
    sjalan
    That act and a companion act closed more than 35 state hospitals for the mentally ill in just the first year alone, 1969. The second year more than 20 more were closed. The process was then shoved off onto the counties to create group homes which NEVER kept the people for more than 3 months at a time.

    How do I know this? My brother came back from Nam a total vegetable. He couldn't even tie his shoes without help. We were forced to place him in a state hospital because the VA was totally full of wounded and there was NO ROOM for mental cases. This was 1968. In 1969 the mental ward for Vets at Agnew State Hospital was closed except for extreme cases. More than 450 patients were KICKED TO THE STREETS or back to their families. In our case to myself and parents. The county opened 16 residence homes over 18 months to one of which my Brother was given access to. 3 months later he was deemed "CURED" and released to the streets. NO NOTICE to family or friends. We didn't have a clue as to where he was for over 2 months. We finally found him under a bridge having set up camp with some other people. Back though the process of getting him admitted all over again. This went on like this for 2 years. In and out.

    He finally killed himself when they released him the last time.

    You can believe anything you want about your bull pukie excuses, Ronald Reagan killed my brother just as surely as if he had pulled the trigger himself.
  • Turings... sjalan 2012/08/17 01:16:54
    TuringsChild
    Sorry about your brother, but your hate doesn't do him justice.
  • sjalan Turings... 2012/08/17 01:25:40
    sjalan
    I don't hate I'm long past that. I related this because you need to understand Reagan has blood on his hands and the people who are writing the history books are covering it up.

    It will be forgotten the day I die. But in the mean time I will NEVER let Ronald Reagan have a pass on what he did to 1000's of mentally ill people in California and in the Nation.
  • Tee Quake 2012/08/16 03:28:00
    yes
    Tee Quake
    +1
    But they won't because it's too expensive and helps throwaways no politician cares about.
  • Josey Wales 2012/08/16 02:41:09
    yes
    Josey Wales
    Children are innocent. Teenagers phucked up in the head. Adults are even more phucked up. And elderlys are like children. porno for pyros pets

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