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HOMBRE 2012/03/07 18:35:59
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There are many hidden truths about the world of wind turbines from the pollution and environmental damage caused in China by manufacturing bird choppers, the blight on people’s lives of noise and the flicker factor and the countless numbers of birds that are killed each year by these blots on the landscape.


The symbol of Green renewable energy, our saviour from the non existent problem of Global Warming, abandoned wind farms are starting to litter the planet as globally governments cut the subsidies taxes that consumers pay for the privilege of having a very expensive power source that does not work every day for various reasons like it’s too cold or the wind speed is too high.


The US experience with wind farms has left over 14,000 wind turbines abandoned and slowly decaying, in most instances the turbines are just left as symbols of a dying Climate Religion, nowhere have the Green Environmentalists appeared to clear up their mess or even complain about the abandoned wind farms.


The US has had wind farms since 1981:



Some say that Ka Le is haunted—and it is. But it’s haunted not by Hawaii’s legendary night marchers. The mysterious sounds are “Na leo o Kamaoa”– the disembodied voices of 37 skeletal wind turbines abandoned to rust on the hundred-acre site of the former Kamaoa Wind Farm…


The ghosts of Kamaoa are not alone in warning us. Five other abandoned wind sites dot the Hawaiian Isles—but it is in California where the impact of past mandates and subsidies is felt most strongly. Thousands of abandoned wind turbines littered the landscape of wind energy’s California “big three” locations—Altamont Pass, Tehachapin (above), and San Gorgonio—considered among the world’s best wind sites…
California’s wind farms— comprising about 80% of the world’s wind generation capacity—ceased to generate much more quickly than Kamaoa. In the best wind spots on earth, over 14,000 turbines were simply abandoned. Spinning, post-industrial junk which generates nothing but bird kills…”


The problem with wind farms when they are abandoned is getting the turbines removed, as usual there are non Green environmentalists to be seen:



The City of Palm Springs was forced to enact an ordinance requiring their removal from San Gorgonio. But California’s Kern County, encompassing the Tehachapi area, has no such law


Imagine the outraged Green chorus if those turbines were abandoned oil drilling rigs.



It took nearly a decade from the time the first flimsy wind turbines were installed before the performance of California wind projects could dispel the widespread belief among the public and investors that wind energy was just a tax scam.


Ben Lieberman, a senior policy analyst focusing on energy and environmental issues for the Heritage Foundation, is not surprised. He asks:


“If wind power made sense, why would it need a government subsidy in the first place? It’s a bubble which bursts as soon as the government subsidies end.”


“It’s a bubble which bursts as soon as the government subsidies end” therein lies a lesson that is going be learnt by those that sought to make fortunes out of tax payer subsidies, the whole renewables industry of solar, wind and biomass is just an artificial bubble incapable of surviving without subsides from governments and tax payers which many businesses and NGO’s like WWF, FoE and Greenpeace now think is their god given right, as the money is going on Green Climate Religion approved clean energy.


The Green evangelists who push so hard for these wind farms, as usual have not thought the whole idea through, no surprises for a left agenda like Climate Change, which like all things Green and socialist is just a knee jerk reaction:



Altamont’s turbines have since 2008 been tethered four months of every year in an effort to protect migrating birds after environmentalists filed suit. According to the Golden Gate Audubon Society, 75 to 110 Golden Eagles, 380 Burrowing Owls, 300 Red-tailed Hawks, and 333 American Kestrels (falcons) are killed by Altamont turbines annually. A July, 2008 study by the Alameda County Community Development Agency points to 10,000 annual bird deaths from Altamont Pass wind turbines. Audubon calls Altamont, “probably the worst site ever chosen for a wind energy project.”


The same areas that are good for siting wind farms are also good for birds of prey and migrating birds to pass through, shame for the birds that none of the Green mental midgets who care so much about everything in nature, thought that one through when pushing their anti fossil fuel agenda.



After the debacle of the First California Wind Rush, the European Union had moved ahead of the US on efforts to subsidize “renewable” energy–including a “Feed in Tariff” even more lucrative than the ISO4 contracts.


The tax payers who paid for the subsidies to build the wind farms, then paid over the odds for an unreliable source of power generation will, ultimately be left to pick up the bill for clearing up the Green eco mess in the post man made Global Warming world.




Updated November 24th


In answer to several allegations that the number of abandoned wind turbines was made up, the following quote from the article and link will confirm this figure to be true:



California’s wind farms — then comprising about 80% of the world’s wind generation capacity — ceased to generate much more quickly than Kamaoa. In the best wind spots on earth, over 14,000 turbines were simply abandoned. Spinning, post-industrial junk which generates nothing but bird kills.

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  • Farnsworth 2012/03/07 18:51:59
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    Hard to believe that there are abandoned wind farms.

    The magnets in the turbines are from rare earth minerals that the US doesn't mine for because of enviromental regulations. I'm surprised some company doesn't take them down for scrap and recycleables.

    Oh, FYI: the rare earth magnets all come from China, so when you see one of these wind mills, most of the mmoney goes into China's pocket.

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  • iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~ 2012/03/10 00:41:23
    Higher electric bills. Pay for windmill even when not running?
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    Sigh.

    The government often subsidizes large infrastructure projects because they don't generate profit for a long long time.

    Tall buildings and airplanes kill birds too...and you know, oil drilling.
  • sick'n'tired 2012/03/08 21:47:10
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    sick'n'tired
    +1
    I will donate the algae if they will clean my pool.
  • Sport_Geoff 2012/03/08 21:44:16
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    Sport_Geoff
    +1
    Since Obama seems to believe we can make fuel from POND SCUM shouldnt he be able to generate all of the "green energy" needed by simply utilizing his administration which is filled with pond scum?
  • Steve J~PWCM~JLA 2012/03/07 18:53:27 (edited)
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    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    Subsidizing inefficient technologies is really dumb and a waste of money.



    Why not advance the technologies? Because they know they can't?
  • Farnsworth 2012/03/07 18:51:59
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    Farnsworth
    +3
    Hard to believe that there are abandoned wind farms.

    The magnets in the turbines are from rare earth minerals that the US doesn't mine for because of enviromental regulations. I'm surprised some company doesn't take them down for scrap and recycleables.

    Oh, FYI: the rare earth magnets all come from China, so when you see one of these wind mills, most of the mmoney goes into China's pocket.
  • Steve J... Farnsworth 2012/03/07 18:54:27
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    HARD TO BELIEVE???????

    LOL
  • Farnsworth Steve J... 2012/03/07 18:56:02
    Farnsworth
    +3
    yes...why is that funny?

    it's a huge investment just to walk away from it.

    please, show me where the humor is, I don't see it
  • Steve J... Farnsworth 2012/03/07 19:03:19
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Because, it is not their money. It is ours. So anyone with half a brain could have predicted this would happen. It did in the 70's. They built wind farms all over, and then shut them down.

    It's only funny because it was so predictable. That's why your "hard to believe" was funny. Not the total waste of our tax dollars.
  • Farnsworth Steve J... 2012/03/07 19:08:05
    Farnsworth
    +2
    I guess you have a deeper sense of humor than I do then.
  • Steve J... Farnsworth 2012/03/07 19:34:39
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Hey, it's better than crying. Lord help us.
  • Farnsworth Steve J... 2012/03/07 22:37:56
    Farnsworth
    +1
    whose crying?

    sup dude, you having a bad day?
  • Steve J... Farnsworth 2012/03/07 22:44:36
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    Reading about all the money we don't have, being wasted, makes me sad. Mad, too.
  • HOMBRE Farnsworth 2012/03/07 18:57:01
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    +2
    When Obama get kicked out one of the biggest jobs will be removing all these solar panels and windmills littering the landscape
  • Farnsworth HOMBRE 2012/03/07 19:00:22
    Farnsworth
    +1
    I'll give that a sarcastic LOL, because indirectly Obama may have created real jobs, not the BS ones he is so proud of
  • HOMBRE Farnsworth 2012/03/07 19:20:20
    HOMBRE
    +1
    The only real jobs will that Obama created is bulldoze all these solar panels and winds into a big pile to be recycled
  • Farnsworth HOMBRE 2012/03/07 22:38:32
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    +1
    thats what I mean
  • HOMBRE Farnsworth 2012/03/07 22:41:35
    HOMBRE
    LOL
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Farnsworth 2012/03/09 22:58:45
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    mankind used wind and water mills for thousands of years just fine all this is a modern update to an old technology

    we cant live on oil forever and plus the countries we get oil from sponser Terrorists the sooner we get our dependance off oil the better off we will be so we are not dependant on what Saudi arabi feels like raising the price of oil to today or a uprising in the middle east means gas pricess skyrocket which effects our econemy for everything uses oil

    the sooner we are off oil dependance the better off our country will be
    oil addict uncle sam
  • Farnsworth ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/03/10 02:50:42 (edited)
    Farnsworth
    green energy is not backbone technology, it can't be used as a primary source of energy for manufacturing.

    Your right, it was used for thousands of years, then we got smart.

    the rest of your argument I can agree with...mostly
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Farnsworth 2012/03/10 03:15:02
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    im not saying build a million wind farms

    we can still be smart and use Green Energy to help cut down on the amount of oil we use

    Example if a city uses 100,000 barrels of oil a month
    using Green energy Wind /water/ Solar/ Biofuel reduces the need for oil by 20% hey thats still 20% less oil than before

    if we invest in the green energy technogoly and we build them

    i rather the money in OUR pocket than the in saudi arabian pockets
  • HOMBRE ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/03/10 03:23:01
    HOMBRE
    I heard these politicians say do it all. Lets get our oil.Get away from from mid eastern countries and continue trying to make this green crap work.I am sicken by these eagles getting whacked My understanding there are ultrasonic boxe that put a frequency that would keep birds away from wind mills. Daw I know you have a lot of good ideas on energy. I agree with some and some I dont.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... HOMBRE 2012/03/10 03:36:16
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    im sure if we put our heads together we can come up with a solution everyone can agree with

    Water Tubines energy Bio Fuel Solar power Wind Water mills

    maybe Design homes Differantly
    bio fuel solar power wind water mills design homes differantly

    bio fuel solar power wind water mills design homes differantly eco dome house eco dome house eco dome house
  • Farnsworth ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/03/10 03:23:43
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    +1
    no argument there...I agree, green stuff is a good "helper" technology. We should use every source we have.

    Yes, we should try and get off oil, but that takes time, so use OURS and not the terrorist nations
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Farnsworth 2012/03/10 03:27:40
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    im all for Drilling as long as longs as they are very careful not to destroy the enviroment and when they are done remove all the drilling equipment
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Farnsworth 2012/03/10 03:18:29
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +2
    we have Researchers in my state who are creating bacteria that can Eat pollution and Generate Electricity the equvialant of an 9 volt battery per square inch

    Doesnt sound like a lot but imagine a 6 million square foot skyscraper about the size of the empire building sucking up pollution helps clean the air and generates electricity

    also the same researchers are making bacteria that consume animal and human Waste and it generates electricity turn waste into energy

    if we could just get a good recycling program going on at land fills we could cut down on energy needs by 30-50% Thats Huge savings
  • Old Salt 2012/03/07 18:51:09
    Higher electric bills. Pay for windmill even when not running?
    Old Salt
    +2
    ANOTHER FAILED OBAMA “GREEN” POLICY!!!

    Wind Mills are KILLING our natural resources and bringing CANCER to our children!

    In California, wind mills are SLAUGHTERING the endangered Brown Eagle!

    In Texas, they are investigating WHY bats seem to be drawn to the 1,000's of Wind Mills that are killing them by the MILLONS! I have friends who report that for months, he would have to hire young college students to go out every morning and collect Bats that were lying DEAD under these huge OBAMA whipping machines! He personally told me that many times the students would have two S-10 Chevy Pick Ups completely full and overloading with dead birds!

    Is it any wonder that area farmers growing wheat and corn are having to TRIPLE the amount of pesticides to deal with the increased numbers of insect infestation on their crops!

    http://articles.latimes.com/2...

  • HOMBRE Old Salt 2012/03/07 19:11:39 (edited)
    HOMBRE
    +1
    Do you remember when the Dem's were lying to us when they said we had no oil to do enough good to even bother drilling? I like to go back and find these clowns in congress that lied to us and just post their name on a blog including Obama as number one clown
  • Old Salt HOMBRE 2012/03/07 19:49:57
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    +1
    I don't think that was JUST Democrats Hombre? :)

    It was also Republicans and... ESPECIALLY... Oil Companies!

    Should anyone wish to know TRUTH, I know TRUTH! Big Business of America is solidly in bed with our Political stooges, whether they be Republican or Democrat! They are corrupt to the core. Anyone wants to know how corrupt, check out their wealth PRIOR to entering into, so-called "service" to our country and what their worth is when they exit!

    Obama is just as corrupt, if not more so, then any President we've had! He is set for life with the "pay-backs" due him from his "friends" in Green Energy!

    Take a look a former V.P. Al Gore! He went from one of the poorest V.P's to now having enough money to purchase an $8.5 million mansion on the California coast that will be under four feet of water in four years should his Global Warming lies actually be true! :(

    So, I just can't blame Democrats.... We NEED Statesman should we ever want this country to be reclaimed by the wishes of our Founding Fathers! They understood the truest Value of Freedom... These FOOLS only know the value of GREED! :(
  • HOMBRE Old Salt 2012/03/07 20:01:59
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    +2
    If I have name of Repubs and Dem's I would love to post their names to bring attention to these government officials
  • Old Salt HOMBRE 2012/03/07 21:03:09
    Old Salt
    +1
    Post them! Would you really have enough room?:(
  • HOMBRE Old Salt 2012/03/07 21:05:19
    HOMBRE
    +2
    Ya I hear you;-( Progressive wanting to control and sheep line up to follow them.
  • ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2012/03/07 18:49:55
    Higher electric bills. Pay for windmill even when not running?
    ὤTṻnde΄ӂ
    I agree with NONE of your answer choices however, conservatives apparently don't know that $2/gallon fuel made from algae is used by the Air Force.
    According to a recent article in the UK Gardian, the Pentagon says it is just months away from producing a jet fuel from algae for the same cost as its fossil-fuel equivalent. The claim, which comes from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), has taken industry insiders by surprise. http://fwd4.me/0vwJ
  • Old Salt ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2012/03/07 18:52:12
    Old Salt
    +3
    You're just a BIRD KILLER, admit it!
  • Icarus 2012/03/07 18:48:29
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    Icarus
    I don't think wind turbines are the answer, but our use of fossil fuels is trashing the climate and destroying our future, so we're in a no-win situation.
  • Old Salt Icarus 2012/03/07 18:54:02
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    +3
    They surely are NOT the answer to Liberals in Mass! They don't want them in their back yards! Just like oil wells, ANYWHERE else but near me, me, me, me!!! :(
  • Icarus Old Salt 2012/03/07 20:06:58
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    +2
    Yep, understandable. They're not pleasant.
  • Old Salt Icarus 2012/03/07 21:50:43
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    +2
    No they're not! I use to own 25% of one back in the early 90's! Supposedly it ran dry! Sold my share and gave up the mineral rights. I heard later, 9 years ago, with new technologies, the reopened that well and it's been producing 92 BPD since then! :(
  • Icarus Old Salt 2012/03/07 23:46:50
    Icarus
    +1
    I actually meant wind turbines... but yes, I suppose that's what happens when the price of oil goes up - it makes depleted wells economic to run again.
  • Old Salt Icarus 2012/03/07 23:56:33
    Old Salt
    There is also Texas laws regarding percentage of fluid anyone can remove from any well! I'm not sure what it is now, but back then it was less than 60%!
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾ 2012/03/07 18:47:02
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    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +2
    1. for the past few thousand years people have used wind and water for power sources wind mills and water mills

    2. Eventually we will Run out of Oil in the next 50 -70 years so we might want to invest in alternatives to Oil NOW while we have the resources to do so

    3. we can all do a small part to help cut down on oil consumption Recycle Reuse Conserve
    During world war 2 they asked people to Recycle and Reuse and conserve and people did for the war effort

    4. buy Energy efficant Cars lights and applances stoves refridgerators
    Dont leave Air conditioner on all day when your not home..

    5 plants and landscaping around your home can cut your homes heating cooling costs by 40-50% Trees absorb Co2 and noise pollution Trees are your Friend

    6. Researchers are working on Bacteria that Generates Electricity from Sugar and pollution waste 1 9 volt batter per square foot it may not sound like alot but imagine this stuff on skyscrapers it all adds up

    i am not Screaming Global warming or advocating such
    i am simply saying if we do some small things we can remove the Addiction of Oil has on our country and a better country for everyone a cleaner country
    uncle sam oil addiction

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