Will you be interested in having Obama arrested and tried for fraud for holding Presidential Office illegally after he is kicked out?

Stop it please, You are killing me with laughter.

You really think I care?

No more. No more. Everyone in the lounge is rolling on the floor with your posts.

Good, stay there, the janitors will clean the floors later.

Keep on dancing, Birther. Do whatever you can to avoid answering the question about the 2 million dollars. Monopoly money? Get real. Are you claiming a telepone call to Kenya costs 2 million dollars? Are you claiming someone in Kenya is involved in sealing his records? All you need to do is present proof of the 2 million dollars. Don't obfuscate with a dumb question about "what is he paying his lawyer with". Show the proof. Long form, with signatures, with letterheads, with the explicit language that proves the money transfer was to seal his records, and the nortary seal. Without presenting that proof you admit there was no 2 million dollars spent.

You are babbling incoherently.

No more, no more. My sides hurt from laughing!

What's going on? Your last comment said that you were being killed by laughter.

Please. Your posts are so ridiculous I am doubled over in laughter.

I knew that, because that is the only way you can insert your head up your large intestine.

The only thing showing is your ignorance. The issue is Obama's records are locked from public view. All your blather is covering for the illegal alien in the Oval Office.

That's just it, they don't have proof. And they use the poor excuse that they cannot get proof because, as the falsely claim, his "records are sealed".

Yet, depite all of this lack of any sort of evidence whatsoever, it doesn't stop them from making the accusations.

Yeah, we know. Sarah Palin said Obama "spent millions" having his records sealed, so of course it's true, though absolutely no one can prove it.

And I "heard" Obama had 15 different SS#s, I got a chain email that said so! That MUST be true also.

I have no idea where what Sarah Palin said, nor do I care. I did not hear it from here.
Social Security numbers are not my concern.

Have you ever tried to get your own records? Years ago when I applied to graduate school, I had to contact my university, prove I was me, and pay to get my own records. You don't have to pay to get them sealed, you have to pay to get them unsealed. And it takes a long time.

My kid is in college now. They won't even release her grades to ME! And I pay the tuition. Seriously. Records are automatically sealed.

Those records are sealed under FERPA (Family Rights and Privacy Act of 1973).
Also known as the Hatch Act. It goes into effect at age 18.
At that point grades are no longer released to the parents. The student can then write their own absentee excuses.

Besides, I don't wish to see his grades. Just his scholarship paperwork, The awarding of scholarships is proprietary information and can be released.

There is a legitimate question that needs to be answered.

I know why they don't release the records, I'm just saying it's not like they are only sealed for Obama -- they are sealed for everybody.

I know at Columbia he was on student loans, and Columbia does give financial aid directly to a huge percentage of students. Admissions are need blind as at all Ivy League schools. Why do you need to know about the scholarships? That fake story about the Fulbright?

Fulbright doesn't give undergraduate scholarships. And, it gives grants to US graduate students to study abroad, and to foreign graduate students to study in the US. However, Obama graduated from high school in Hawaii. In fact, he attended all but first and second grades in the US. He would have been considered a US student, and since the high school sends transcripts directly to the university, there would have been no way to fudge. Is there something else you want to know about scholarships?

Are you sure, I have a letter from my very liberal Dem Senator saying exactly that he was on a Fulbright Scholarship.

As I see it, Obama slipped through the cracks and it was assumed that he was a US citizen. But it was never checked by anyone.
A lot of illegal aliens graduate from US High Schools and then go onto college in the US. No one checks the records.

Besides there is the natural born citizen clause in the US Constitution that Obama must satisfy to be President. He could have saved himself a lot of grief by producing a few documents.

What is he hiding?
Every American has had to furnish proof of US citizenship to obtain a job since the 1990s and that includes the people who held a job at that time. I fail to see why that law should not apply to him.

You must appy for a Fulbright from abroad and have attended school abroad. The point of the grants is to foster exchange. If a student went to school in the US all his life, that would not really be an exchange, would it? Check out the fulbright website. They don't even give grants to undergraduates, no matter how liberal your senator is.

Obama would be a natural born citizen even if he was born abroad. Citizens born abroad who have one US citizen parent are natural born citizens. That's part of why this birther thing is so stupid.

Usually proof of US citizenship is a Social Security card, a passport, and a driver's license or some two of these three. I have never been asked to show my birth certificate to get a job. You do need to show your birth certificate to get a US passport, however.

Which is why I wish to see the passport used for his world tour in the 1980s.

Why should you get to see it? It's really none of your business. And as someone who travels a lot, i know it's much easier to travel on a US passport than one from some other country if all you want to know is what kind of passport it was. Or do you think you need to know where he went every minute? What, exactly, do you think the passport would show?

Were you this obsessed with other presidents' wherabouts intheir 20s? How much digging did you do on Bush's alleged national guard service?

I don't want to see where he has been, just the info that identifies him. It is nothing more than we already know, if he has told us the truth.

CBS dug up the truth about Bush's National Guard service and found out he volunteered for Vietnam, but he was not sent deployed. He flew the wrong aircraft.
They had to report the truth or pay Dan Rather $ 75 million.

Besides, military service is not a requirement for the presidency. However, it would be a requirement to be elected to Congress or the presidency if it was up to me.

I think you forget what was being investigated in the Bush thing. It was his attendance at his cushy national guard assignment where he worked for his dad's friend. I know Dan Rather got false information, but Bush never produced the real stuff. Why? Same reason Obama doesn't. It wa sa long time ago. It would be a pain to find it and get it. And, the public really doesn't have a right to know what he was doing on any dive day thirty or forty years ago. Military service was a requirement for people who signed up, and saying you completed it when you didn't, especially when you signed up in lieu of being drafted is certainly relevant if you want to show you are an honest person. It would have been better if he showed it, but there is no law requiring him to do so.

You get one passport by showing the last you had. Why would you think his earlier passports were any different than the current one?

None of Obama's records mattered until he was elected to the presidency. That is mattered to anyone but those in Illinois.

If and I do mean if Bush did anything wrong, that does not give Obama the right to do anything wrong.

It would be a pain to locate a birth certificate. A certificate that I would have to produce if I were to be hired to a job tomorrow. A certificate every American has had to show to get a job since the early 1990s.

It would be a pain to request a copy of his Selective Service registration.

If he had a US passport, there is a record of that somewhere in the State Department archives. It would be a pain to make a phone call?

I have laid out my case.
The US is either a Constitutional Republic and a nation of laws or we are a 4th world cesspool.

It appears that you favor the 4th world cesspool. You are young enough that you will get your wishes should you live out your life expectancy, that wish being a 4th world cesspool.

I wasn't saying that if Bush did something wrong, it makes it ok. I'm just saying the precedent of him not revealing his National Guard attendance records stands.

Again, you don't have to show a birth certificate to get a job. I didn't mean it would be a pain to find a birth certificate, but it would be hard to dig up your financial aid records from college and graduate school. I'm sure I no longer have mine anywhere I could lay my hands on them. His passport is still in use, and it's based on the previous ones, so there is no reason to find the old one. I don't have all my old ones, and the DOS only has records of the ones they have done electronically available if you call. To get the old ones, even they have a hard time doing.

In fact, it is poor countries that rely more on paperwork than on logic. Logically, it would make no sense that Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii. The birth certificate backs that up. He was not adopted by his stepfather (as evidenced by the fact that it would have been illegal for the stepfather to adopt him while the father was still alive unless the father specifically gave him up), so his stepfather would not have been able to get a US passport for him, nor does anyone have the right to relinquish the citizenship of another. Your questions about financial aid, etc. go above and beyond what is right for us to ask.

He would have been adopted under Sharia Law which was used on family issues in Indonesia.

Records can be found, no one said it would be easy.

Have you held a job in the past 20 years.

If Obama cannot keep better track of his records, he cannot run a country except into the ground.

Adoption is not even legal in sharia. A child, if he is fatherless, would be raised by the father's brother. And, he was not fatherless. AND, he is a US citizen. Your understanding of family law in he US and other nations is seriously lacking an illogical.

To get a job, you show either a passport and a driver's license as well as a social security card sometimes. I have never been asked for my birth certificate. Of course I work.

It isn't a matter of keeping better track of his records, but a matter of why should he be the only president in history to have to produce records on his student loans? What exactly do you think this would show? Your accusations make no sense on their face.

A passport shows the location of birth and citizenship.

Every other president's whereabouts prior to the presidency has never been in question.

This president's whereabouts are not in question by anyone who has examined it and had the authority to decide. It's not in question by anyone who had looked up the definition of natural born on the immigration service web site, or who thinks that a conspiracy involving state and local officials as well as hospital staff could be perpetrated over something so important. It isn't in question by anyone who has even thought about the likelihood of a young girl's parents paying a ton of money to ship her off to a developed country to have a baby all alone, while simultaneously agreeing to support her and take on the responsibility of her and the baby while she is in school.


Chester A. Arthur was rumored to have been born in Canada, but claimed he was born in VT. Barry Goldwater was born in AZ which was not a state at the time he was born there, but was allowed to run. And, there have been a few other candidates that had the same questions and their resolutions should put an end to this:

McCain -- born in Panama to US citizens and determined to be natural born.
Romney's father was born in Mexico
Lowell Weiker, Jr. was a candidate although he was born in France. The last two didn't get far, but they were certainly considered Americans.

What are you babbling about in your first paragraph?

There are no records anywhere about Obama that represents any milestone in his life.

McCain's father was on active duty with the US Navy and if you remember the Panama Canal Zone was US territory until Carter signed it away in 1979 with an effective date of 1999.

Romney's father was born in Mexico to 2 American citizens and he was eligible to run for the presidency in 1988. It had been decided before he even ran for office.

Arthur was before my time and I never heard of Weiker.

Past errors do not require future errors.

The birth certificate produced and endorsed by the state of Hawaii marks his birth there. No one who has seen it disputes that it is real. Birth announcements at the time also confirm his birth in Honolulu. Other milestones are also known: his high school graduation picture and record, his attendance at Columbia, which lists him as an alumnus and where you can see an article he published in the school paper at the time, his editing of the Harvard Law Review. How many more records do you need?

Actually, you are wrong about the law regarding Panama. People born in Panama were not citizens -- it wasn't like Puerto Rico. McCain is American because his parents were. That means he was born American. Romney is American because his parents were. Arthur too. You only need one American parent to be born a US citizen and meet the standard of "natural born" and it doesn't matter where you are born if you are born a US citizen. No one questions whether Obama's mother was a US citizen. He was her child, so no matter where he was born, he is a US citizen -- natural born.

You said, no other president's whereabouts were ever in question. That isn't true.

Who has seen it?
I have listed the records I want to determine citizenship.

Citizenship is not required to attend Columbia. Obama has yet to appear in court and produce any documents.

The Citizenship of no other president in my life time has been questioned.

He showed the short form one to the election committee. Then State officials in Hawaii released his long form one just to please people who think Obama is so special that he needs to provide a different form.

And, his mom was American!!! No one questions this. If you have a US citizen parent ane you are born, you are natural born, even if you are born on Mars. That is the law.

I confused you with the other user who seems to think we have to examine Obama's college records as well.

So, Arthur doesn't count as precedent because he was president before you were born? LOL! The fact is, there was a question and he didn't even prove it with a birth certificate. So far, Obama has shown more proof! And, in both cases, the presidents were natural born because they were born to US citizens.

..."Which part of I do not care about his travel itinerary do you fail to understand."...

Silly me for thinking that since you said his passport was of interest to you. By the way, you do know that showing a passport is not a requirement for holding office right?

...."He has spent over $2 millionn keeping those records sealed."...

Wrong again. I'm not sure where this myth originated from, but it has no factual basis.

....."He is supposed to have a Social Security number from Conecticut, but that is no t a concern of mine."....

What's wrong with his SSN being from CT? You do know that Social Security numbers are not based on birthplace right? They're based on the zip code from where the forms are mailed to the SSA.

Because his father did live in CT at the time. And he was the one that sent the paperwork into the SSA. You're SSN has nothing to do with where you live, it's ONLY based on where the paperwork was submitted.

His scenario is not unlike anyone else where the father & mother do not live in the same place. For example.. Suppose that your parents had split up when you were young- and you continued to live with your mother in MA, while your father moved to AL. Your mother then fills out her portion of the forms, and mails them to your dad in AL, where he then, fills out the rest & mails the completed form to SSA. You would then be issued an Alabama based SSN even though you've never lived there.

Look Cretin.
I want to see whose passport he traveled under.

Social Security numbers are based on the state from which you apply for a number. He had never been to CT at the time he obtained that number.

Proof of citizenship is required for obtaining a job in the US and has been since the 1990s. That included the job a person held at that time and every job thereafter.

You are being extremely obtuse in your effort to defend the indefensible.

And here we go with the name calling.... You're cracking sooner that I thought.

Why do you want to see the passport so badly? What interest is it to you?

As for Social Security numbers. it doesn't matter whether or not he had ever BEEN to CT. His father- who WAS living in CT at the time- was the one who sent the forms in to the SSA. THAT is why the SSN is based in CT. Where you were born, and where you live are completely IRRELEVANT to where the number is issued. The ONLY thing that numbers are based upon, is where the paperwork is submitted from.

......."Proof of citizenship is required for obtaining a job in the US and has been since the 1990s."......

Actually proof of citizenship to become the President of the United States (VP as well) have been required for much longer than that. But since he submitted that proof when he filed his candidacy papers, there's no real issue there.

No proof has been required. Never.
It depended on the integrity of the office seekers. There is no integrity in the lot of them.

What are you talking about? The Constitution specifically states that requirements for the Presidency, and Vice Presidency are that, the candidate must be at least 35 years of age, and a natural born citizen. Proof of both requirements must be submitted to the US State Dept at the time of filing candidacy papers.