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Will Walker's win adversely affect the future of the middle class?

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  • Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO 2012/06/07 02:14:46 (edited)
    Yes
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    +6
    the demonizing of unions is popular among the ignorant and uneducated and plays right into the corporate oligarchy agenda. Get rid of the unions and nothing stands between corporate America and the government.

    Soon we'll be competing with Mexico for jobs and later China.

    At the same time they'll roll back wages, they will roll back workers protections, environmental protections, that pesky holiday, vacation, and 40 hour work week thing.
    It will be all about those great "job creators" and quarterly profits. Good Luck with all that.

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  • DuncanONeil 2012/06/08 03:26:26
    No
    DuncanONeil
    You're kidding, right!? As are all the sore losers that claim "yes".
  • SABLE 2012/06/07 23:21:11
    Yes
    SABLE
    And the unions
  • loribird29 2012/06/07 19:24:08
    Yes
    loribird29
    +1
    we need to get rid of Citizens United now!
  • Rebel Yell 2012/06/07 15:02:12
    Yes
    Rebel Yell
    +2
    He has deeply divided his state. It's the way he goes about things that got him into trouble in the first place. The man was kicked out of office after only 17 months because elected officials aren't supposed to campaign on one set of themes and govern on another. That is deceitful. They aren't supposed to “divide and conquer” the state. They aren't supposed to collect $500,000 checks from billionaires in other states. They aren't supposed to have criminal defense funds. Why should that even be necessary?

    During the 2010 campaign, Walker’s campaign promise was that he would create 250,000 jobs in the state during his first term as governor. On this point, he has been dismal. In fact from March 2011 until March of this year, Wisconsin had the worst job creatio performance of any state in the nation; 23,900 total jobs were lost in the state.

    "Right to work" is the politically correct way to say " Low paying Jobs Without Benefits". The billionaires who have contributed millions of dollars to Scott Walker's campaign want to extract wealth, natural resources, and exploit cheap labor from that state. Scott Walker owes political favors to his friends with big money who want to exploit Wisconsin. Mr. Walker is selling out Wisconsin to the highest bidders. Wisconsin will become the China of the United States.
  • michael Rebel Yell 2012/06/07 16:19:09
    michael
    China has a growing job market
  • GOP Poison michael 2012/06/08 13:37:09
    GOP Poison
    +1
    Yes they do BECAUSE of the same people that want to destroy the middle class in Wisconsin. If every family that voted for Walker while having union members in their own family end up homeless I will not shed one tear.
  • michael GOP Poison 2012/06/08 17:05:27
    michael
    First of all I am homeless but I am within 90 days of ending my homelessness and I wouldn't wish that on anyone including my worst enemy.
    Secondly, your very pro-union beliefs are NOT representive of most Americans including me hence your views are a minority's views . For example, as a white Southerner I have NEVER once joined any union ( and I am 46 years old) nor has any member of my family....why you ask ....becuase unions NEVER existed in the South becuase we never had any big industry just farms and also Florida started a trend for states with laws called Right to Work in 1944-which directly undermind unions becuase that means you can't call strikes.This idea of Right to Work laws is slowly spreading across the country...I think a total of 30 states have such laws. I am fairly certain that Mitch Daniels of Indiana has just helped Indiana join that group of states.And if you look across the border into Ohio then you will see the same forces "championing " the idea. The idea behind unions is simply dead and out dated--free trade has won due to your man ....Bill Clinton who signed the North American Free Trade Agreement with Al Gore's famous debate with Ross Perot back on Larry King's show--I remind you both Clinton and Gore are Southerners just like me. I know that agreement was bad for Munice-I had the displeasure of attending Ball State( I hated that awful school and I still do).
  • beach bum 2012/06/07 10:35:40
    Yes
    beach bum
    yes
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/07 09:57:31
    No
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    HOPEFULLY not... I'm just surprised that the people of WI. kept this eliteist, ANTI-working class JERK!
  • GeorgeAMartini 2012/06/07 04:38:50
    No
    GeorgeAMartini
    +3
    That is a ridiculous question.
  • BlackwinterG36C 2012/06/07 03:58:07
    No
    BlackwinterG36C
    +2
    His win is a dry run for the 2012 presidential election. And people like Will Walker can only improve people's lives not just the middle class.
  • olylift 2012/06/07 03:06:16
    No
    olylift
    +3
    He got voted in by the middle class. Sucks to be you, union workers.
  • wtw 2012/06/07 02:57:30
    No
    wtw
    +4
    If more jobs come into the state how does that hurt. If the deficit is reduced and taxes have actually gone down for the first time in years in the state, how does that hurt them??
    If teachers now have the ability to get higher pay if they do a better job than another, how does that hurt the middle class. Oh that's right you would not know these good things because you only listen to the leftist propaganda media.
  • Razoreye001 2012/06/07 02:55:48
    Yes
    Razoreye001
    +3
    democracy is dead, the merchant princes are coming.
  • michael Razorey... 2012/06/07 15:58:54
    michael
    wrong my freind, the new king is here and that king is Austerity and he will bring a policy of deficit -cutting by lowering spending often via a reduction in the amount of benefits and public services . He has taken over most of the Southern Europe as well as Eastern Europe
    and has gained influence among the richest countries in Europe and guess what he is coming to your state real soon. Indiana is no longer a union state--Mitch Daniels and the VOTERS have made it a Right to Work state thus unions are weaker and Ohio is moving in that direction. The days of the big unions giving things to the workers is over and it is time to face that reailty. You must pay your own way in life even if that means you have less personal property and less money to go out with your freinds-you must put out of your head these silly ideas out of your mind and focus on money. I know personally I made the choice to put all my personal property in a storage unit in Munice, IN and simply be homeless...why you asked I simply ran out of money and I refused to ask my family for help so I lived in various homeless shelters in different states even though I have earned a master's degree. But after my 2 year ordeal of being homeless I have slowly saved up enough money to get an aprt. which I will get real soon. You see IT took me a long time to figure it out, my freind ---King Austerity is here to stay!!
  • Razorey... michael 2012/06/07 18:12:06
    Razoreye001
    +1
    and we will all be slaves to the corporations, there has never been a time in history that you give the corporations power and never abused it for profits.
  • michael Razorey... 2012/06/07 22:52:00
    michael
    That's right and neither has there ever been one person who is totally free. It was that way in both the ancient Athenian city-state and the Roman Republic-and both of them held very strong democratic ideals at various times. If you think I am wrong on this point then, I suggest you find me one democratic state in all of human history that didn't have a SOCIAL CLASS system and everyone had the exact same choices and opportunites in life regardless of one's gender or race or even educational acheivements??? It never existed ...not once. All countries have sometype of social order and class structure at their core.
    Also I keep noticing you use the word "slaves" and phrases such "democracy is dead" so I assumed you are having your knocking down your dooor and someone is placing chains on your feet becuase that is what a slave is a THING for someone's enjoyment and profit. I know as a white Southerner and in my studies of the War Between the States ( we, Southerners, call the US Civil War by that name) several battlefields of that war -Stone's River, Shiloh,Chickamauga , and Chattanooga. Naturally in my studies I have also visited several old plantations across the South and I made it my point to actaully see the slave quarters for myself and I saw the chains the REAL slaves wore...
    That's right and neither has there ever been one person who is totally free. It was that way in both the ancient Athenian city-state and the Roman Republic-and both of them held very strong democratic ideals at various times. If you think I am wrong on this point then, I suggest you find me one democratic state in all of human history that didn't have a SOCIAL CLASS system and everyone had the exact same choices and opportunites in life regardless of one's gender or race or even educational acheivements??? It never existed ...not once. All countries have sometype of social order and class structure at their core.
    Also I keep noticing you use the word "slaves" and phrases such "democracy is dead" so I assumed you are having your knocking down your dooor and someone is placing chains on your feet becuase that is what a slave is a THING for someone's enjoyment and profit. I know as a white Southerner and in my studies of the War Between the States ( we, Southerners, call the US Civil War by that name) several battlefields of that war -Stone's River, Shiloh,Chickamauga , and Chattanooga. Naturally in my studies I have also visited several old plantations across the South and I made it my point to actaully see the slave quarters for myself and I saw the chains the REAL slaves wore everyday of their lives as well as the whips, too. I seriously doubt your "chains" are that painful or that phyiscal as was theirs and I am sure you are NOT getting beaten by a whip, too. I think you are being over dramatic on this issue.
    What really happened in Wisconsin is that state workers are now going to pay for their own healthcare and they have "LOST' some of their rights in collective bargining agreements and nothing more. Personally, I don't think state employees should have other people pay their healthcare benifits nor have the ability to strike becuase that would threaten the general welfare of all the people within Wisconsin by preventing the taxpayers from getting their basic services under the law. In other words, to hold a state job is a public trust not a welfare system.
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  • Razorey... michael 2012/06/07 23:36:02
    Razoreye001
    +1
    their are many kinds of slavery the kind I am talking about is called wage slavery, basically corporations have the power to employ people and treat them inhumanely because it's either that or homelessness. The unions protect us from those abuses, to be honest I believe that it should be mandatory to be a member of a union to work so that no business owner could mistreat you. True their is always a class system but we can narrow the gap between the classes like they do in Northern Europe, Japan, and Canada. Their is evidence of causation between more unfair societies and social problems actually.
  • michael Razorey... 2012/06/08 17:33:04
    michael
    I disagree with your idea of ..." to be honest I believe that it should be mandatory to be a member of a union to work " becuase that is undemocratic. Also your idea has a huge hole in it........you are making the mistake of assuming everyone has the same levels of education in life becuase your system has to be open to equal opportunities for everyone regradless of race and gender for every job and how can they really be open if the education levels are not the same for everyone. I remind you my home state of Tennessee is ranked #49 in the country ( I said the samething as the state repr. famously said " Thank God for Mississippi-- they are #50 and we are not!!" as they CUT public education funding for K-12 grades). How on earth is someone from Tennessee suppose to compete for a job with someone from Massachuttes ( that state is #1 national in all the educational standards)??? I know as someone who got a master's degree from Tennessee I really cannot compete with someone from Harvard with a master's degree for a job-they would be MORE qualified....right??? This inequality in educational systems in our country creates numberous social problems later on in life.....so on this part you are correct---"Their is evidence of causation between more unfair societies and social problems actually"--I agree becuase I am seeing it in my own life how worthless a master's degree can be in the job market.
  • Razorey... michael 2012/06/08 19:42:20
    Razoreye001
    well what do you have a degree in, some jobs that were high profit before are virtually worthless now such as a degree in law or psychology. I am getting a degree in human development because as far as a science degree goes it provides the job security and is low math intensive which is what I do the worst in.
  • michael Razorey... 2012/06/08 19:50:57
    michael
    history--you see in my country if you are a white male teenager who is into books ( like I was) you tend to study the US Civil War becuase it is easy to go visit various Civil War battlefields---heck almost every single county in the South has some statue to the Civil War or some battlefield. I personally have "explored" several old battlefieds myself.
  • Razorey... michael 2012/06/08 19:56:24
    Razoreye001
    +1
    History currently has one of the highest unemployment scores because everyone who wants to be a teacher ends up going with a history degree because it is the easiest.
  • michael Razorey... 2012/06/09 02:11:37
    michael
    I basically agree with you but you also tend to ignore the education OFFERED in the public schools . You also ignore the educational differences between Tennessee and Massachuttes ( I MIGHT have mispelled "ole Mitt's state- but even that only further proves my point)
  • Razorey... michael 2012/06/09 02:42:41
    Razoreye001
    Yeah I had to post fast had other things to do today. To solve the education problem we need to adopt the Finish system. Before they had the system they have now they were one of the worst educated countries in Europe now their giving China and Singapore a run for their money.
  • michael Razorey... 2012/06/09 03:07:19
    michael
    I totally understand the limitations of time--it is a forgotten resource in today's world of ours.
    The system you are "championing" requires a more inclusive and more equal educational system becuase that would acheive the standards of the "equal protection clause" of the US Constitution-after all there cannot be any favoritism at all hence everyone has ot have equal chance . However, the very federalism of our country works ( the 10th Adm. of the US Constitution) against those types of national standards you and many liberal reformers are currently fighting for in Washington DC these days. Also I just don't mean race, gender, and class but also funding, too. I seriously doubt that equal funding COULD be acheived in many states. For example, how would you acheive true equality bewteen Mississsippi or Tennessee AND say New York or California especially in funding. There seems be a real desire to reward "successful" and "upwardly mobile" schools but schools in either extremes such as the hard "inter-city" or the "deep" rual areas in the country must fight the battle of budget every year.
    As for the Finish system, it is a good idea for a small country-remenber the USA is over 300 million people. Your system also ignores the trend that people look for easy way outs of problems-h...
    I totally understand the limitations of time--it is a forgotten resource in today's world of ours.
    The system you are "championing" requires a more inclusive and more equal educational system becuase that would acheive the standards of the "equal protection clause" of the US Constitution-after all there cannot be any favoritism at all hence everyone has ot have equal chance . However, the very federalism of our country works ( the 10th Adm. of the US Constitution) against those types of national standards you and many liberal reformers are currently fighting for in Washington DC these days. Also I just don't mean race, gender, and class but also funding, too. I seriously doubt that equal funding COULD be acheived in many states. For example, how would you acheive true equality bewteen Mississsippi or Tennessee AND say New York or California especially in funding. There seems be a real desire to reward "successful" and "upwardly mobile" schools but schools in either extremes such as the hard "inter-city" or the "deep" rual areas in the country must fight the battle of budget every year.
    As for the Finish system, it is a good idea for a small country-remenber the USA is over 300 million people. Your system also ignores the trend that people look for easy way outs of problems-hence people who fail to acheive your standards for those type of jobs ( which you would make mandatory joining a union) will have an excuse NOT to try to improve thier lives. And guess what, social workers will help those people get on social services and disbality. Trust me on this point , when I was in homeless in Georgia a few years back the very first thing the social workers did was try to get everyone on social services and a government check rather than a job which is the best for of social services in my opinion..
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  • Razorey... michael 2012/06/09 03:17:17
    Razoreye001
    well we could require classes for the unemployed, I do have a word document going into much more detail when it comes to economic reform but the general gist is you have a public works program to make up the difference in unemployment with taxes to support it as well as reforms to unemployment that would require psychological counseling and classes on being a good employee. I hire more people to motivate other people to get employed a good number on public work programs and allowing them to build up their skills and eventually gain the confidence to start their own businesses with certain benefits making the economy small business friendly.
  • michael Razorey... 2012/06/09 18:46:54
    michael
    "there you go again taxing and spending" ( I didn't say that Ronald Reagan said that to Jimmy Carter) at a time when the federal government is carrying around the biggest governmental debt in the history of mankind on this planet!!! I am deeply intrested on how you are going to "sell" to the American middle class, the Wall Street crowd, and China ( after all the hold most of the USA's international debt now held by China's buying US Treasury Bills . Please note the impact of China stop pruchasing the Euro is having these days on the Euro in the currency markets) the idea of HIGHER taxes. This is exactly what Obama and every single other Democratic big spender is running into these days-nearly every big lender is broke. Do you realize that their are only 5 or 6 major banks in our country and you want to drive them out of business with higher taxes!
  • Razorey... michael 2012/06/09 19:04:10 (edited)
    Razoreye001
    they have all the money so why not take that money away from them and use it to create jobs like FDR did. To stop businesses from going overseas I have huge tariffs and new forms of taxation. I also make the government more efficient by bundling similar agencies that have overlapping authority together to cut the cost of running those agencies. Also it consists of an international summit hosted in Washington DC to address income inequality and slave labor in the third world. The hopeful result is a collective of countries increasing tariffs and increasing taxes on the rich and putting enough political pressure on China that the Chinese would have to increase wages for their people and improve working conditions as well as reaching the consensus that we can collectively blame the multinational corporations for our economics troubles and charge them with war crimes for intentionally sabotaging all countries in the civilized world and crimes against humanity. If convicted we would demand that these banks pay off our national debt to China and the CEOs get life in prison for their crimes against humanity. As for how I sell this I would use divide and conquer by appealing to the gun lobby with tax breaks and the pharmaceutical companies with tax breaks you have big business in a spending war at the same time you pressure congress to agree with the bill while the lobbyists are in deadlock.
  • michael Razorey... 2012/06/09 20:25:53
    michael
    FDR had the advantage of ruling a country with NO international debt plus the federal treasury was full and had a SURPLUS left over from WWl ( remenber the income tax was created in 1911 and imposed for the first time on April 15, 1912-the same day the RMS Titanic sunk). So FDR didn't really have to raise any taxes on anyone at all. I remind you that the 1930 Smoot–Hawley Tariff signed into law on June 17, 1930, that raised U.S. tariffs on over 20,000 imported goods to record levels.The overall level tariffs under the Tariff were the second-highest in U.S. history, exceeded by a small margin only by the Tariff of 1828. The act, and the ensuing retaliatory tariffs by U.S. trading partners ( Europe and South America), reduced American exports and imports by more than half hence it made the Great Depression WORSE for the America worker not better. In fact, FDR promised AND did lower it in 1934. So you see we(USA) tried your way and it didn't work. As for your idea of making government more effective I agree 100% but again your methods wouldn't work...as soon as you anounced your confrence for all the countries-the question naturally arises--"do we(USA) invite Iran??" "DO we(USA) invite North Korea??" --we have major national security issues with both of those countries on the iss...

    FDR had the advantage of ruling a country with NO international debt plus the federal treasury was full and had a SURPLUS left over from WWl ( remenber the income tax was created in 1911 and imposed for the first time on April 15, 1912-the same day the RMS Titanic sunk). So FDR didn't really have to raise any taxes on anyone at all. I remind you that the 1930 Smoot–Hawley Tariff signed into law on June 17, 1930, that raised U.S. tariffs on over 20,000 imported goods to record levels.The overall level tariffs under the Tariff were the second-highest in U.S. history, exceeded by a small margin only by the Tariff of 1828. The act, and the ensuing retaliatory tariffs by U.S. trading partners ( Europe and South America), reduced American exports and imports by more than half hence it made the Great Depression WORSE for the America worker not better. In fact, FDR promised AND did lower it in 1934. So you see we(USA) tried your way and it didn't work. As for your idea of making government more effective I agree 100% but again your methods wouldn't work...as soon as you anounced your confrence for all the countries-the question naturally arises--"do we(USA) invite Iran??" "DO we(USA) invite North Korea??" --we have major national security issues with both of those countries on the issue of nuclear weapons. I am impressed you are trying to follow such a Republican idea of using international confrences to help build a better job market here at a"home" becuase George H.W. Bush tried exactly the same approach back in 1991 -1992 with Japan and China but it failed and he "lost" to Bill Clinton in the election.
    It is just plain common sense you really can't put pressure on people you owe money to and that is true for countries, too.
    International companies are not to blame to the world's economic problems but rather the signs of things to come. For example, look what is happening Greece today--the country is broke after years of social spending AND silly tax cuts for the rich in their wasted efforts to attract foreign currency to build up the drachmae. But they gave up that idea and joined the EU then got the Euro. However, they still kept up that social spending and low tax rates which the ruling elites of Greece simply covered up until the EU demanded to "see the books"-game over hence today Greece is heading out of the EU. It was the currency markets that laid the foundation for the mess with Greece. It is no crime to be rich in my view.
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  • Razorey... michael 2012/06/09 22:51:02
    Razoreye001
    Well I admit the plan is high risk high reward if something goes wrong it could either slow down our progress in fixing the economy or push the world into global recession if it completely fails but doing nothing is as bad as trying what I propose and failing, the conference is the simplest way to address the problem on a global scale. We can't get out of debt alone we need the help of other countries that are in the same spot as we are to collectively make a change on the global market and stand up to the multinational banks that gambled away the economy of the US and other countries. If the US increases the tariffs on products made in the third world alone they will just do as you say and increase the tariff on our products and call it even but if we can convince the EU for all of it's members to increase tariffs on products made in the third world then the companies that produce goods with slave labor will have to face an ultimatum. This will be extremely difficult but worth it if we can get the countries in the EU as well as countries like Japan and Australia to increase their tariffs with us. We have to be the first to raise our tariffs to motivate others. This also has the benefit of hurting companies that are a flight risk add in an exorbitant expatriation tax and some ...
    Well I admit the plan is high risk high reward if something goes wrong it could either slow down our progress in fixing the economy or push the world into global recession if it completely fails but doing nothing is as bad as trying what I propose and failing, the conference is the simplest way to address the problem on a global scale. We can't get out of debt alone we need the help of other countries that are in the same spot as we are to collectively make a change on the global market and stand up to the multinational banks that gambled away the economy of the US and other countries. If the US increases the tariffs on products made in the third world alone they will just do as you say and increase the tariff on our products and call it even but if we can convince the EU for all of it's members to increase tariffs on products made in the third world then the companies that produce goods with slave labor will have to face an ultimatum. This will be extremely difficult but worth it if we can get the countries in the EU as well as countries like Japan and Australia to increase their tariffs with us. We have to be the first to raise our tariffs to motivate others. This also has the benefit of hurting companies that are a flight risk add in an exorbitant expatriation tax and some businesses that would otherwise flee will have to stay because they couldn't afford to leave. As for dealing with cheap labor in China and India we would probably have to renegotiate our debt and also bring up the issue to the Chinese on the use of slave labor in their country along with the international community.
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  • michael Razorey... 2012/06/10 01:58:04
    michael
    Yet-you are willing to RISK everything on a single idea that has already been proven that it won't work. I keep saying simply owning property isn 't a crime under our current system of government-hence companies represents the stockholders' money since they hold bonds.of the companies.
    your radical view of re-organizing society is totally Un-Constitutional becuase it violates the high ideals of the US Constitution ( separation of powers) hence you are basically calling for the over throw of the US government. As it is the EU is breaking apart with the exit of Greece and the Spainish will soon leave on thier own. You cannot FORCE countries to work together-that is what George W Bush tried to do and that is what you trying to do-thus you would make the WORLD a more NATIONALIST place to live in future years
  • Razorey... michael 2012/06/10 02:15:14
    Razoreye001
    but thats the point of my conference to break down walls and try to address our biggest crisis which is income inequality and the rogue multinational banks and increase regulation of our economy to make america better modeling ourselves after the countries that aren't faced with a recession like Finland and Canada. What I am recommending is restructuring our government and eventually amend our constitution to compensate for the changes made to our economic system. This is nothing new when Canada had an economic crisis in the 60's they restructured their government to what it is now. Finland was a rural country with a poor education system until they did the same. I am not overthrowing anything just modifying or as I prefer modernizing America. The America I want is the same America we have now only better with a few changes that make all the difference.
  • DoxieDad 2012/06/07 02:34:07
    No
    DoxieDad
    +4
    "adversely affect the future of the middle class"
    How so? Taxes in Wisconsin have been reduced, the state budget is back inline and more jobs have been added to the middle class. The only ones bitching are the Unions that have lost membership and influence in WI.
  • Dweezle 2012/06/07 02:24:18
    No
    Dweezle
    +2
    Only in WI.
  • Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO 2012/06/07 02:14:46 (edited)
    Yes
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    +6
    the demonizing of unions is popular among the ignorant and uneducated and plays right into the corporate oligarchy agenda. Get rid of the unions and nothing stands between corporate America and the government.

    Soon we'll be competing with Mexico for jobs and later China.

    At the same time they'll roll back wages, they will roll back workers protections, environmental protections, that pesky holiday, vacation, and 40 hour work week thing.
    It will be all about those great "job creators" and quarterly profits. Good Luck with all that.
  • Dweezle Joe Shw... 2012/06/07 02:52:37
    Dweezle
    +4
    Not only will there be low wage jobs for husbands & wives, but for children over the age of 5 also. school schmool
  • Idiot r... Joe Shw... 2012/06/07 03:17:27
    Idiot repubs
    +3
    I responded to a girl earlier who was bitching that the unions had better benefits than her and she blamed the unions instead of herself grovelling for a job.
  • Lady Wh... Joe Shw... 2012/06/07 09:58:30
    Lady Whitewolf
    +3
    "the demonizing of unions is popular among the ignorant and uneducated and plays right into the corporate oligarchy agenda..."

    BINGO! Couldn't have said it better.
  • sjalan 2012/06/07 01:37:19
    Yes
    sjalan
    +6
    Especially in Wisconsin

    Intersting to note that the state name, Wisconsin is a combination of words which when taken literally means "i know" + "pridefully (deceived)" + "ungodly or wrong" Wonder if it applies to Walker's prideful display of wrong headedness knowing he is wrong.
  • Lady Wh... sjalan 2012/06/07 09:59:17
    Lady Whitewolf
    +3
    agreed

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