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Will the Democrats use a procedural trick to get government healthcare passed against the will of the people?

Daryl 2010/01/22 17:24:59
Yes, the will use a trick...they have been waiting their entire lives for socialized medicine
No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
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According to the rules of the US senate, it takes 60 votes to end a filibuster. The voters of Massachusetts ended the Democrat super-majority in the senate last week by electing Scott Brown.

Every major poll taken shows most Americans oppose the government takeover of healthcare.

Many prominent Democrats including Obama have spoken against passing this healthcare bill in light of the recent election.

Not content with democracy or the will of the people, the Democrats may be planning an end-run around the senate rules by using a procedural trick called 'reconciliation'.

"Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wis.), the ranking member of the House Budget Committee, tells National Review Online that House Democrats are planning to use of the budget-reconciliation process in order to pass Obamacare. “They’re meeting with each other this weekend to pursue it,” says Ryan. “I’ve spoken with many Democrats and the message is this: They’re not ready to give up. They’ve waited their entire adult lives for this moment and they aren’t ready to let 100,000 pesky votes in Massachusetts get in the way of fulfilling their destiny. They’ll look at every option and spend the next four or five days figuring it out.”

Will the Democrats use a procedural trick to get government healthcare crammed down your throat?
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  • Daryl 2010/01/22 17:27:06
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    Daryl
    +13
    Pelosi is in a safe district but Reid, Obama and many other Democrats are up for re-election.

    The voters would express their displeasure by sending them packing.

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  • Mike56 2010/01/23 06:32:05
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    Mike56
    +1
    Socialized medicine is not their goal - socialism is (I mean the leftist rulers of the Party). They can choose another way of destruction this time. When/if they undermine the system enough to impose socialist dictatorship, the "single payer" medicine will be installed by a decree without any procedural delays - in one minute.
  • DaytonaFrank 2010/01/23 06:13:30
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    DaytonaFrank
    +1
    If they are all ready to make this thier last act as a useless seat warmer, yes.

    If they wish to continue warming thier useless seats, no.

    I think it doesn't matter to them. They will continue to defy the will of the people until they are gone. That will be a certainty if they pass a half-assed socialist/communist health care plan none of them even bothered to read.

    What really worries me is if the new Republican Congress can reverse it or not.

    What they have been/are doing is scary as hell!
  • dmac 2010/01/23 06:01:51
    Yes, the will use a trick...they have been waiting their entire lives for soc...
    dmac
    +1
    Those 3 are the biggest danger to America there is.
    Even worse than terrorists in my book. Because these are people; our supposed leaders; we should be able to trust to keep America and Americans safe. Instead they are dong everything in their power to bring us to our knees to be a 3 rd world country and under a dictatorship. Mexico will look like a haven when they are done with us. And they are going to "use" the Hispanic people to help them, under the gise of amnesty. And being unsuspecting and not up on what is really happening to them and America I'm afraid it is going to work.
  • brandi_wine112 2010/01/23 05:14:08
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    brandi_wine112
    +3
    Pelosi is a liability to this country.
  • Daytona... brandi_... 2010/01/23 06:22:23
    DaytonaFrank
    +2
    Maybe not after November. Her power trip will end. Even she is not safe in her district after what happened in Mass.
    If she is still there anyway, she will no longer be the Speaker of the House.
    She will sit in the back where she belongs. She is very rich though, and it will take a lot to get her out completely. I think it will happen though.
  • brandi_... Daytona... 2010/01/23 09:47:46
    brandi_wine112
    +1
    Daytona , gr8 reply , ty those are words of hope ....
    I do think the majority of Americans are tired of little miss botox .

  • Bob S brandi_... 2010/01/23 15:52:33
    Bob S
    +2
    I couldn't have said it better.
  • allen brandi_... 2010/01/23 18:03:36
    allen
    +2
    MORE THAN A LIABILITY. SHE KNOWS NO LIMIT OR BOUNDS TO HER EXTENT OF RESPONSIBILITY, BUT THINKS SHE IS A QUEEN!
  • brandi_... allen 2010/01/23 18:54:36
    brandi_wine112
    +1
    Here is a new perspective , twist maybe.....Maybe she is Harry Reids Queen?
    What if Harry Reid is using her for his puppet ? I dont like Nancy Pelosi I think she can be bought too. Its a shame in our Great Country , Americans cant trust our Government and questioning every thing they do. What the majority does agree on is that This Administration is not good for America.
  • Angel 2010/01/23 04:22:41
    Yes, the will use a trick...they have been waiting their entire lives for soc...
    Angel
    +2
    I think they will or could even if it damages them.. I think they are at a point , if they have to destroy the party to get the agenda O is going for they will do it..
  • Daytona... Angel 2010/01/23 06:31:08
  • Hazel 2010/01/23 04:18:09
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    Hazel
    +2
    No, they know after Mass. the people are angry and won't hesitate to vote them out. pay angry voters mass people angry hesitate vote
  • QuitBlamingBush 2010/01/23 03:40:16
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    QuitBlamingBush
    +5
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  • brandi_... QuitBla... 2010/01/23 05:12:23
    brandi_wine112
    +1
    funny stuff, ty for the laugh, (truth can be funny too) :)
    funny ty laugh truth funny
  • jerrbear 2010/01/23 02:22:45
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    jerrbear
    +2
    Any kind of mention of any kind of health care is only going to stir up a hornet's nest!
  • Steve☮END THE FED☮ 2010/01/23 02:14:57 (edited)
    Yes, the will use a trick...they have been waiting their entire lives for soc...
    Steve☮END THE FED☮
    +2
    Let them - it will be repealed by January of next year.
  • pies_Guy 2010/01/23 02:12:38
    Yes, the will use a trick...they have been waiting their entire lives for soc...
    pies_Guy
  • Fef 2010/01/23 02:08:11
    Yes, the will use a trick...they have been waiting their entire lives for soc...
    Fef
    +4
    They won't call it a "trick." And I don't think it will pass. They will not want to return to their districts with Scott Brown in their memory.
  • MadMartigan 2010/01/23 02:02:22
    Yes, the will use a trick...they have been waiting their entire lives for soc...
    MadMartigan
    +1
    This is no different than what has occurred before under other administrations, including the last one. So I wouldn't call it a trick, I'd call it well within congressional rules.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    And here's a compilation of various surveys on the subject of health care reform. it suggests that there is interest in meaningful health care reform.

    http://www.pollingreport.com/...
  • theunbubba 2010/01/23 02:00:48
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    theunbubba
    +3
    They wouldn't dare. I think most of them know that it would start a shooting war. There would be assasination attempts galore. It would set off individual snipers all over this country. This is just my prediction, not a threat.
  • ordinaryhousewife 2010/01/23 01:24:41
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    ordinaryhousewife
    +3
    should they try this.. and the seed of great revolution will have begun.. In this instance the American people have nothing to lose .. who will stop them.. the military??
  • mrmagoo 2010/01/23 01:19:33
    Yes, the will use a trick...they have been waiting their entire lives for soc...
    mrmagoo
    +2
    they will use every trick in the book---but the American people will out smart them!!!!!
  • Edward Croy 2010/01/23 01:06:09
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    Edward Croy
    +4
    Reconciliation is dead, as well...Pelosi has already said 'she' does not have votes in the House to pass the Senate bill, that they are too far apart on too many issues.
  • usa 2010/01/23 00:59:16 (edited)
    Yes, the will use a trick...they have been waiting their entire lives for soc...
    usa
    +3
    oh they will try to do something once the heat of election is off of them, they are playing it save as a bug in the rug so they will be re-relected again then they will start their shenanigans over again, We need to clean out the Closet folks of those who have been in their for more in four years, let them know this is our Goverment NOT theirs. They get to much of our Money and treat us like we are dirty old dogs kick us around, we need to remind them this is the people Goverment and we have last say on them, please remember your children when it come to these politicans screwing us over. if they think they can get away with it with us, what do you think they will do to our children when we are gone. I say we must get rid of them and get new people who will do us right and stand up for Our contitution. let get rid to them.
  • brandi_... usa 2010/01/23 05:19:24
    brandi_wine112
    +1
    I strongly agree. Election isnt really that far away time flies! Those Politicians in office that choose to manipulate the American people are already black marked - its the end of the road.

  • FearFig... usa 2010/01/23 06:36:36
    FearFighter
    +2
    *stands and applauds* Well said.
  • mal 2010/01/23 00:25:01
    Yes, the will use a trick...they have been waiting their entire lives for soc...
    mal
    +2
    These snake oil salesmen and women are the epitome of hypocrisy .
  • Shopnnut 2010/01/23 00:11:54
    Yes, the will use a trick...they have been waiting their entire lives for soc...
    Shopnnut
    +3
    I completely believe that this administration will pull out all stops, legal or illegal, to accomplish their self-serving agenda. If that happens, I hope there will be a lot of them OUT OF A JOB come election time!!
  • BRUCE aka WAR GOAT 2010/01/23 00:07:23
    Yes, the will use a trick...they have been waiting their entire lives for soc...
    BRUCE aka WAR GOAT
    +2
    i believe paul ryan, but there are 19 states waiting to file a law suit if passed.
  • lostworld 2010/01/23 00:01:37
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    lostworld
    +3
    I really don't think they want to try that , but then again they might try to , I pray peposi loses next time around
  • driley 2010/01/22 23:41:49
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    driley
    +2
    I'm feeling just enough optimism these days to believe that they are taking a long hard look at "the will of the people" for once.
  • words to live by 2010/01/22 23:33:10 (edited)
    Yes, the will use a trick...they have been waiting their entire lives for soc...
    words to live by
    +5

    DEFEATING OBAMACARE: THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN

    By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

    Published on DickMorris.com on January 22, 2010


    Printer-Friendly Version


    Now is the time to finish off the prospects of Obamacare with the Democrats reeling from the defeat in Massachusetts.

    We must not trust them. The apparent reluctance of the House Democrats to pass the Senate version will evaporate once Obama puts his weight behind the bill and Pelosi starts to twist arms. Moderate Democrats cannot be counted upon.

    So we need to target Democrats in swing districts who voted for the health care legislation in its first go-round in the House and convince them of the error of their ways. As the Republican floor leader in the 60s Senator Everett Dirksen once said "when they feel the heat, they see the light."

    Here is a list of twenty-three Democrats who voted for Obamacare and who are vulnerable in 2010. Its time to turn up the heat on them:


    Harry Mitchell = Arizona 5

    Gabrielle Giffords = Arizona 8

    Alan Grayson = Fla 8

    Mark Schauer = Mich 7

    Carol Shea-Porter = NH 1

    Mike Arcuri = NY 24

    Mary Jo Kilroy = Ohio 15

    Kathy Dahlkemper = Pa 3

    Christopher Carney = Pa 10

    Tom Perriello = Va 5

    Ann Kirkpatrick = Arizona 1

    Baron Hill = Indiana 9

    Dina Titus = Nevada 3

    John Hall...

































    DEFEATING OBAMACARE: THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN

    By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

    Published on DickMorris.com on January 22, 2010


    Printer-Friendly Version


    Now is the time to finish off the prospects of Obamacare with the Democrats reeling from the defeat in Massachusetts.

    We must not trust them. The apparent reluctance of the House Democrats to pass the Senate version will evaporate once Obama puts his weight behind the bill and Pelosi starts to twist arms. Moderate Democrats cannot be counted upon.

    So we need to target Democrats in swing districts who voted for the health care legislation in its first go-round in the House and convince them of the error of their ways. As the Republican floor leader in the 60s Senator Everett Dirksen once said "when they feel the heat, they see the light."

    Here is a list of twenty-three Democrats who voted for Obamacare and who are vulnerable in 2010. Its time to turn up the heat on them:


    Harry Mitchell = Arizona 5

    Gabrielle Giffords = Arizona 8

    Alan Grayson = Fla 8

    Mark Schauer = Mich 7

    Carol Shea-Porter = NH 1

    Mike Arcuri = NY 24

    Mary Jo Kilroy = Ohio 15

    Kathy Dahlkemper = Pa 3

    Christopher Carney = Pa 10

    Tom Perriello = Va 5

    Ann Kirkpatrick = Arizona 1

    Baron Hill = Indiana 9

    Dina Titus = Nevada 3

    John Hall = NY 19

    Stephen Driehaus = Ohio 1

    Paul Kanjorsky = Pa 11

    Dan Maffei = NY 25

    Allan Mollohan = W Va

    Nick Rahall = W Va

    Steve Kagen = Wisc

    Marion Berry = Arkansas

    John Spratt = Georgia

    Zack Space = Ohio 18

    These are the key votes. If we can create a groundswell among their voters, demanding that they retreat from their position of forcing socialized medicine and Medicare cuts on the country, we can win.

    Nancy Pelosi's strategy is to delay and let the impact of the Brown win in Massachusetts be blunted by time. Meanwhile, she will propose amendments to the Senate bill and submit her proposed changes to the upper chamber. Harry Reid will tell her that such a bill is dead on arrival but she will demand a vote. When the measure is rejected (or fails of closure), she will go back to her caucus and say, "I tried, but the Senate would not accept any of our amendments."

    Then the question is: What happens then? If we have prepared the way by influencing the districts of the marginal members who voted for the bill, we can assure that the centrist Democrats do not support the new legislation. We can peel away some of the 220 votes (with 215 against) by which the bill passed the House.

    But we need to start now! We cannot let the momentum of the Massachusetts win dissipate as Pelosi wants. Please help us to run ads in the districts of these moderate Democrats and move them into the "no" column on Obamacare. This is our last, best chance to defeat this horrible bill.

    Continue your support to defeat Obamacare by donating again to the League of American Voters.




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  • brandi_... words t... 2010/01/23 05:21:07
    brandi_wine112
    gr8 informative post, ty
  • Louisa - Enemy of the State 2010/01/22 23:15:39
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    Louisa - Enemy of the State
    +3
    I heard this on TV. The mere suggestion is enough to make me want to overthrow this gang of treasonous bloodsuckers that we call Congress. But I have no doubt that if Obama wants to see a revolution, he has only to sign this bill without full approval of Congress and more importantly, the people!
  • lostworld Louisa ... 2010/01/23 00:04:58
    lostworld
    +3
    I agree , they already have seen what we the people are about.
  • Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA 2010/01/22 22:49:52
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA
    +4
    Can they use it for something other than a budget resolution? I don't think obaaaama care qualifies as a budget.
  • Yes, the will use a trick...they have been waiting their entire lives for soc...
    Angel Among Us ♥†♥ American Patriot
    +4
    I think they're arrogant enough to do it.
  • Edward 2010/01/22 22:26:20
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    Edward
    +4
    not if they want to live they won't pay angry voters live
  • TJ 2010/01/22 22:18:13
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    TJ
    +2
    I think they're in a pickle either way, since it seems people on both sides of the aisle are not satisfied with how this bill has evolved.
    If there are procedural tricks to be had, they will likely be introduced elsewhere while we celebrate the scrapping of Obamacare. I guarantee you the rhetoric changes so that Obama ends up somehow saving us from the very bill he initiated.
  • Dugie45 2010/01/22 22:17:33
    No, there would be hell to pay from angry voters
    Dugie45
    +2
    If they do use this process, thay may as well give up politics. Anyone that would agree to use this would never win another election in this country.

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