Will the ACA (ObamaCare) have a "Death Panel?"
Huntclan
2012/08/15 02:25:06
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Sarah Palin has warned about ObamaCare Death Panels to no avail. Americans seem to poo poo the idea of Death Panels. But everyday it seems we are finding out that this Administration has lied about more and more. I think it is time to revisit the "Death Panel" debate to investigate whether Obama lied to us about this also.
The following is a clip from Western Center For Journalism:
Death Panel like functions are currently undertaken by the Insurance Companies themselves. Do you want the Government taking this over? The Government is now having a referendum on Birth Control. The Government cannot have a referendum on every drug, disease or ailment that will occur in the future. The fact is, they will need to set up a bureaucratic element to decide who and what gets treated.
What do you think?
Will ObamaCare have Death Panels?
The following is a clip from Western Center For Journalism:
Obamacare-like “Death Panels” are already emptying out hospital beds in the United Kingdom. According to one report last year the UK’s National Health Service (NHS) euthanized 130,000, mostly expendable seniors. Its benignly named “Care Pathways”, kills almost 360 people every day.
Now it’s Obamcare’s turn to euthanize undesirables. The Supreme Court gave Barack Obama the right to start his own extermination program. Anybody who needs “a little bit too much care” will get put on Obama’s list. If you were born before January 1, 1953 he has put a target on your back. You had better not get sick and you had better pray someone derails Obamcare’s euthanasia train before a “Death Panel” gavel comes down on your life. When Obama’s verdict is death for you there can be no appeal – that’s in the bill.
This system needs your death to appear to work. That is the reality of the Supreme Court’s ruling – make believe that’s not a clear and present danger and you are fooling yourself – it’s that simple and that serious.
Now it’s Obamcare’s turn to euthanize undesirables. The Supreme Court gave Barack Obama the right to start his own extermination program. Anybody who needs “a little bit too much care” will get put on Obama’s list. If you were born before January 1, 1953 he has put a target on your back. You had better not get sick and you had better pray someone derails Obamcare’s euthanasia train before a “Death Panel” gavel comes down on your life. When Obama’s verdict is death for you there can be no appeal – that’s in the bill.
This system needs your death to appear to work. That is the reality of the Supreme Court’s ruling – make believe that’s not a clear and present danger and you are fooling yourself – it’s that simple and that serious.
Death Panel like functions are currently undertaken by the Insurance Companies themselves. Do you want the Government taking this over? The Government is now having a referendum on Birth Control. The Government cannot have a referendum on every drug, disease or ailment that will occur in the future. The fact is, they will need to set up a bureaucratic element to decide who and what gets treated.
What do you think?
Will ObamaCare have Death Panels?
Read More: http://www.westernjournalism.com/uks-death-panels-...
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Rodney 2012/08/15 06:50:29Yes, I have no doubt it. I am mad as a wet hen too!!!
+3For the proof of this, look up Comparative Effectiveness Research. It was funded heavily prior to the passage of Obie care, but is a central part of Obie care and is in the Health care reform legislation. In a nutshell, what it is, is a bureaucracy that makes the decisions on what level of care you qualify for. If you are elderly, physically or mentally unable to work or are a low producers, your level of care will be adjusted accordingly. Those who are at the end or near the end of their ability to contribute to society as a revenue creator, you are deemed of less importance and receive less care. Feel all warm and fuzzy about Obie care?
Look at all the "far-out" crap that is going on now that Obie voters swore wouldn't happen under an Obama presidency:
-Expansion of the Patriot Act
-Cutting Medicare 750 Billion
-Unemployment rate higher than when he took office
-Guantanamo open for business
-Gas prices up almost double
-Afghanistan still going strong
-Solyndra
-Fast and Furious
-Cronyism
-Bailouts
Just a few examples of things "only idiots" would have imagined 3 years ago.
To say that "crazy idiots" believe he would do something is wrong. How many times do we hear things changing (from any President) once the president has "more knowledge." For example, our economic situation is said to be caused in large part by Bush policies. Okay, why didn't Obie tell us it was going to take 8 years to fix it? Well, because he didn't realize how bad it was. I use Obie as an example because he is most recent, but I'm sure you can find GOP examples.
My point is that it is disingenuous to deny something that is inevitable. It must exist. If it is not in the Bill, it will need to be created. You may deny the term "Death Panels," but I prefer the term "Murder" as opposed to "Abortion."
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Death panels. This falsehood, our 2009 Lie of the Year, started after an early draft of the bill sought to allow Medicare to pay for doctors’ visits in which patients discussed end-of-life care, such as living wills. The critics labeled it suicide counseling. Conservative superstar Sarah Palin amped up the debate in August 2009 by declaring on her Facebook page, "The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care." But there was never any panel like that in the bill. Recently, Palin has defended her comments, pointing to the Independent Payment Advisory Board as a death panel. Either way, the claim is ridiculously false and earned a Pants on Fire.
[END QUOTE http://www.politifact.com/tru... ]
1. My Blog cites an article about the UK's system that actively uses Death Panels and asserts their inevitable usage in the States.
2. The Death Panel will not be called: "Death Panel." It will be called something else like: Independent Payment Advisory Board.
3. Whether it's in the Bill or Not, it will have to be created.
What Mr. Obama has said pre-election when compared to post-election behavior has changed remarkably little (trust me, I've lived through a few elections) compared to other administrations.
However, Death Panels do NOT exist, even in theory. In fact, language in the law does its best to make them impossible, If you fantasize they exist, then you are denying that any such law could be written without such things, and/or are ignoring that private industry already has them--which they do-- (making Obamacare's lack of them an improvement).
1. Government Bureaucrats
2. If we don't like it, we can switch. But not if the Gubberment is making the decision for "all" insurance companies.
3. If an Old man falls down in the street today hospitals will have to try and save him. Under a Govt. system they can make the determination on the spot whether he lives or dies. And if they make the wrong call, the save the guy, the Govt. can come back and not pay them. It would behoove ER's to let people die instead of saving them and not getting reimbursed.
Your #3 is just nonsense with no basis in fact. Prove me otherwise.
Government is taking over the insurance industry. What provides "profit driven" insurance companies to provide better options? Competition.
If company A doesn't cover pain pills after age 85 and company B provides them until 95, I would switch to Company B. Now, if the Government steps in and says EVERYBODY must be covered until age 90, they are limiting the benefits of those enrolled in company B.
Government Bureaucrats making these decisions are in the pocket of lobbyists and special interests. I do not trust them.
Your examples continue to be nonsense and woefully incomplete. Who cares if a pill is covered to age 85 v. 95 if it is needed one's entire life? Why should a 95 year old be forced to research the issue and decide on his own if he needs the pill and who might best provide it? Why is it OK in your mind for the unrestricted bureaucrats of private industry to decide that the pill is only profitably worth covering if one is under 65.
Cutting through the crap--you think people only deserve health insurance when it is profitable, while I think people deserve it because they are people.
I think that is a fair summation, don't you?
I don't thing Liberals and Conservatives are too far apart on this issue. Conservatives want the family to make the decision and not the Government. I believe in Terri's case, Conservatives were backing the Parents, not the Parent's decision. I'm not sure why they went crazy over that case.
ROFLMAO... You'll start a war and vaporize innocent families off the planet all on borrowed money, yet when it comes to people wanting the choice to end their lives peacefully, it's a death panel..
ROFLMAO....
You worry about death panels, yet warn us were going broke.
You want to offer us vouchers, and if we don't have enough money to paid for an illness... oh well... LMAO...
I bet you guys will pull a major death panel card, by using the voucher money to start another war...
Huntclan... you got the gift that keeps on giving... ROFLMFAO!
get over it, people.