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Will Obamacare save millions of lives?

Assassin~ Badass Buzz Guru 2012/05/17 15:16:13
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  • Michaelene Stacy F 2012/05/17 22:23:35
    Michaelene
    +1
    We pay, they don't. I get the bills and their jacked through the roof for those illegals and also for those who have medicaid and medicare (lost reimbursement rates).

    Those who don't pay are those who do not contribute anything to their health insurance while I pay 50%. Those who complain about their 3% cost, should hang their head in shame as others have no insurance, but pay because they're not deadbeats.
    sorry rant over
  • Stacy F Michaelene 2012/05/17 22:35:34
    Stacy F
    +1
    Exactly! Well said!
  • Michaelene Stacy F 2012/05/17 23:19:16
    Michaelene
    thanks :)
  • Rebel Yell 2012/05/17 17:04:02
    Yes
    Rebel Yell
    +4
    I don't know. Possibly because it focuses heavily on preventive care, a very important part of ACA.
  • fuzzy K... Rebel Yell 2012/05/17 19:04:03
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    Actually, preventive care is only cheaper when it's compared to treating the illness later.
    Widespread preventive care is far more expensive.
  • Rebel Yell fuzzy K... 2012/05/17 19:08:10
    Rebel Yell
    Wellness plans/awareness most certainly are far less than chemo shots.
  • Michaelene Rebel Yell 2012/05/17 23:22:54
    Michaelene
    I chose what programs I want in my care, why would anyone want the government "goals" of 36 days to see a primary and 41 days for a specialist.
  • Rebel Yell Michaelene 2012/05/17 23:27:26
    Rebel Yell
    +1
    And you got those numbers from......?
  • Michaelene Rebel Yell 2012/05/18 00:17:18
    Michaelene
    The released pages of the ACA, it's a long read and has many code cross references. I'd suggest having a legal dictionary nearby.
  • Rebel Yell Michaelene 2012/05/18 00:24:17
    Rebel Yell
    And those released pages are....? I cannot find that information about wait times anywhere.
  • Michaelene Rebel Yell 2012/05/18 00:47:54
    Michaelene
    So you never read the bill, t but are talking about a preventative care aspect you never read?
    Is that right?
  • Rebel Yell Michaelene 2012/05/18 01:01:01
    Rebel Yell
    I have not read the entire bill. no. But you have. So , you should have no problem directing me to a link that specifies wait times. Where did you get that number? Where?

    And yes, I have read about preventive care. Also, my doctor has discussed it with me and is very much in favor of more awareness and publicity regarding diabetes, colon screenings, mammograms, tentanus, etc. Why do you have a problem with that? And again, about those wait times you are you sure of..... WHERE?
  • Michaelene Rebel Yell 2012/05/18 02:38:02
    Michaelene
    it is in a pdf
    available on the Library of Congress and on the special website set up healthcare.gov but that one only shows summaries and talking points mostly.
    Its a good start for you.
    I have no problem with preventative care. aka non sick visit aka checkup
  • Michaelene Rebel Yell 2012/05/18 02:48:50
    Michaelene
    WOW, you can't find Obamacare?
  • Stacy F 2012/05/17 16:34:12
    No
    Stacy F
    +6
    Of course not. ObamaCare is designed to give more power to the government, and help make money for the government, nothing more, nothing less. Sorry, but that's exactly what Obama, Pelosi, and Reid had in mind when the bill was signed. That bill was so full of pork, they should have had a barbecue!

    For example...

    21.04.2011
    "1,147,271 Words of Obamacare Regulations Published So Far—270% as Long as the Text of the Statute

    By John Vinci
    Last year Congress passed the 906-page “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” followed by the 55-page “Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010.”[1] Together, they form what is better known as Obamacare.
    If you thought that Obamacare was long, it is only a fraction of the length of the regulations.
    Obamacare contains over 700 directives for HHS and other agencies to implement Obamacare.[2]
    We went through and counted all of the Obamacare regulation documents published so far.[3] We found that the number of pages in regulations are already 114 percent as long as the number of pages in the Obamacare statutes! The statutes contain 961 pages compared to 1,093 pages of regulations.
    But regulations published in the Federal Register are published in small font, three columns wide.
    What is more telling is the word count comparison. ...







    Of course not. ObamaCare is designed to give more power to the government, and help make money for the government, nothing more, nothing less. Sorry, but that's exactly what Obama, Pelosi, and Reid had in mind when the bill was signed. That bill was so full of pork, they should have had a barbecue!

    For example...

    21.04.2011
    "1,147,271 Words of Obamacare Regulations Published So Far—270% as Long as the Text of the Statute

    By John Vinci
    Last year Congress passed the 906-page “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” followed by the 55-page “Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010.”[1] Together, they form what is better known as Obamacare.
    If you thought that Obamacare was long, it is only a fraction of the length of the regulations.
    Obamacare contains over 700 directives for HHS and other agencies to implement Obamacare.[2]
    We went through and counted all of the Obamacare regulation documents published so far.[3] We found that the number of pages in regulations are already 114 percent as long as the number of pages in the Obamacare statutes! The statutes contain 961 pages compared to 1,093 pages of regulations.
    But regulations published in the Federal Register are published in small font, three columns wide.
    What is more telling is the word count comparison. The Obamacare statutes together contain 425,116 words. Compare that to 1,147,271 words published so far in Obamacare regulation documents. The regulations are 270 percent as long as the statute itself.
    The 1.1 million words in Obamacare regulations published so far are only a fraction of the regulations yet to come.

    [1] You may have heard that Obamacare is 2,000+ pages in length. Technically it is, or better, it was. While in bill form, the Obamacare statutes were a total of 2,471 pages long. Congressional bills have wide margins and are double spaced. The page counts in our first paragraph are more conservative as they are based on the number of pages in the Government Printing Office’s version of the Obamacare Statutes available at
    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/... and http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/...

    [2] http://spectator.org/archives...

    [3] This includes 49 documents such as requests for information, advance notices of proposed rulemakings, proposed rules, interim final rules and final rules, and some notices. We excluded, however, many regulation documents which were only in part affected by the Obamacare statues.
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  • Kiosk Kid 2012/05/17 16:21:00
    No
    Kiosk Kid
    +4
    Is Obama outlawing abortions?
  • COCO Kiosk Kid 2012/05/17 19:44:10
    COCO
    +2
    monkey thinking Good question.
  • Kiosk Kid COCO 2012/05/17 21:13:02
    Kiosk Kid
    +1
    Don't ponder on it too long but that is about the only way the Liberal could save lives.
  • Michaelene COCO 2012/05/18 00:48:28
    Michaelene
    +1
    I love that pic :)
  • Red_Horse 2012/05/17 16:08:03
  • Seonag 2012/05/17 16:07:42
    No
    Seonag
    +4
    Both of my husband's parents were allowed to die rather than continue expensive medical treatment in the UK. His father was 63 (COPD) and his mother 68 (diabetes and early Alzheimer).
  • Michaelene Seonag 2012/05/17 17:38:02
    Michaelene
    +2
    Im so sorry for your loss.
  • fuzzy K... Seonag 2012/05/17 19:06:43
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    But COPD and diabetes are treatable.
  • Seonag fuzzy K... 2012/05/17 19:42:23
    Seonag
    +1
    At a cost. Back when my father-in-law was diagnosed, my husband paid out of his pocket for a '2nd opinion' because the National Health said there was nothing they could do. There was --- medicine and oxygen. But National Health would not cover the oxygen back then (I don't know if they do today). When my mother-in-law, was diagnosed with Alzheimers (already a diabetic), the cut her medication back. She died within 14 months.
  • fuzzy K... Seonag 2012/05/17 19:57:18
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    I guess that's what we have to look forward to if Obamacare goes into effect.
  • Seonag fuzzy K... 2012/05/17 19:59:24
    Seonag
    +1
    For our Seniors, probably. They will weigh the long-term costs and make decisions based on that.
  • fuzzy K... Seonag 2012/05/17 21:08:20
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    +1
    That's very scary. Think of the person at the DMV making those kinds of decisions.
  • Rusty Shackleford 2012/05/17 15:48:20
    No
    Rusty Shackleford
    +4
    It will be reported that way, but the results will be similar to Hitler's government run healthcare.

    We will have far less retarded and handicapped children and far less elderly people that require expensive care.
  • Assassi... Rusty S... 2012/05/17 16:06:01
    Assassin~ Badass Buzz Guru
    Why would we have less retarded people?
  • Rusty S... Assassi... 2012/05/17 16:07:35
    Rusty Shackleford
    +2
    They will be "sent away" for proper care.

    Do you realize that this is not the first time a government has taken control of people's healthcare?
  • Michaelene Assassi... 2012/05/17 17:39:41
    Michaelene
    +3
    "the productive life cycle" places little value on those under 2 and over 60.
    Read up on a Obamacare contributor E.Emanual (eugenicist)
  • Morningstar 2012/05/17 15:34:39
    Yes
    Morningstar
    +4
    gives all americans more options for affordable healthcare/allow students to stay on parents until they are 26/and doesn't discriminate against those that have pre-existing conditions - sounds good to me!
  • Rusty S... Morning... 2012/05/17 15:49:34
    Rusty Shackleford
    +6
    Let's have car insurance that accepts pre-existing conditions as well.

    Home owners insurance too?
  • voice_matters 2012/05/17 15:27:31
    No
    voice_matters
    +1
    how can it. it does nothing with healthcare
  • Assassi... voice_m... 2012/05/17 16:06:24
    Assassin~ Badass Buzz Guru
    +1
    Well of course it does.
  • voice_m... Assassi... 2012/05/17 16:13:21
    voice_matters
    +1
    how can it. it does nothing with healthcare

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