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Will Congress find middle ground on gun legislation?

L.A. Times 2013/01/31 05:00:00
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The year's first congressional committee hearing on guns began with an emotional jolt Wednesday, with former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who was seriously wounded in a mass shooting two years ago, urging senators to "be bold, be courageous" in addressing gun violence.

Bucking tradition, Giffords spoke at the outset of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, before senators made their opening statements. She and her husband, former astronaut Mark Kelly, were escorted to the witness table by the committee's chairman, Sen. Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, and its ranking Republican, Sen. Charles E. Grassley of Iowa.

Giffords, whose speech is impaired after being shot in the head by Jared Loughner two years ago, spoke slowly and emphatically in a minute-long statement. "Speaking is difficult, but I need to say something important. Violence is a big problem. Too many children are dying. Too many children. We must do something," she said.

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  • GOP Poison 2013/07/20 02:02:17
    No
    GOP Poison
    Democrats always cave
  • csrdrunner 2013/02/06 15:14:36
    No
    csrdrunner
    "The strongest reason

    for the people to retain the right to keep

    and bear arms is,

    as a last resort,

    to protect themselves

    against tyranny in government."
    Thomas Jefferson Why No One Invades Switzerland
  • orion clachar 2013/02/05 23:20:26 (edited)
    No
    orion clachar
    the constitution is clear "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." we already banned automatics. the 2nd amendment is specifically as a final bulwark for freedom if ever the government becomes corrupt. what part of that don't they get?????
  • calvin236 2013/02/05 22:08:32 (edited)
    No
    calvin236
    Have they ever found common ground?
  • chucky 2013/02/05 18:17:49
    No
    chucky
    The trouble is that gun control is not the answer,this is about a violation of the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution.It is not negotiable.
  • harley oldman 2013/02/05 17:42:07
    No
    harley oldman
    Gabby baby was brain dead BEFORE she was shot. (By a liberal Democrat)
  • csrdrunner harley ... 2013/02/06 15:02:43
    csrdrunner
    +1
    Love your comment!
  • harley ... csrdrunner 2013/02/12 17:06:27
    harley oldman
    ...Thanks....
  • BubbaHoTep 2013/02/05 14:58:11
    No
    BubbaHoTep
    I hated hearing her talk. It hurt my heart a little bit.

    I hated it more because people were trying to use that reaction to further an agenda.

    I don't believe that taking guns away from law abiding people will fix the issue the way that they think it is. I don't believe it is constitutional either. They should use facts instead of propoganda moves to argue their point.
  • woodstock 2013/02/05 00:43:15 (edited)
    No
    woodstock
    Why can't these issues stand on there own merit ? Why do they use people so they hope they will work on the emotlional side of our human character. Her husband needs a cause and he is using the system I believe at his wife's expense. It is the Obama tactic to use props for his own benifit, like children at the signing of his bills. Please... give me a brake.......
  • judge 2013/02/04 23:54:14
    No
    judge
    +1
    Our Government spends more on guns then the rest of the world.
  • Eric judge 2013/02/05 22:58:45
    Eric
    +1
    It is downright scary how the government is arming themselves. In my youth, I thought that there were city police, county sheriffs and deputies, state police, and the FBI. And the military for national defense. Now every Cabinet level department has their own weapons. Agriculture, Education, HSA, Interior, Treasury, etc. Why does government seem to fear their own people and have such a need to arm themselves. Can't they rely on the long established law enforcement agencies like the rest of us?
  • csrdrunner Eric 2013/02/06 15:10:22
    csrdrunner
    +2
    "I carry a gun 'cause a cop is too heavy."

    Clint Smith (Thunder Ranch)


    Even though Switzerland has not been involved in an armed conflict since a standoff between Catholics and Protestants in 1847, the Swiss are very serious not only about their right to own weapons but also to carry them around in public. Because of this general acceptance and even pride in gun ownership, nobody bats an eye at the sight of a civilian riding a bus, bike or motorcycle to the shooting range, with a rifle slung across the shoulder.

    Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/12...
    "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing" -
    Adolf Hitler


    "An armed man is a citizen.
    An unarmed man is a subject."

    "Gun control is not about guns; it's about control."

    Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

    Assault is a behavior, not a device.
    64,999,978 firearms owners killed NO ONE YESTERDAY.

    You don't shoot to kill, you shoot to stay alive.
    You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.
    Know guns, Know Peace, Know Safety.
    NO GUNS NO PEACE NO SAFETY

    Guns have only two enemies:
    Rust and Politicians

    When you remove the people's right...



    "I carry a gun 'cause a cop is too heavy."

    Clint Smith (Thunder Ranch)


    Even though Switzerland has not been involved in an armed conflict since a standoff between Catholics and Protestants in 1847, the Swiss are very serious not only about their right to own weapons but also to carry them around in public. Because of this general acceptance and even pride in gun ownership, nobody bats an eye at the sight of a civilian riding a bus, bike or motorcycle to the shooting range, with a rifle slung across the shoulder.

    Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/12...
    "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing" -
    Adolf Hitler


    "An armed man is a citizen.
    An unarmed man is a subject."

    "Gun control is not about guns; it's about control."

    Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

    Assault is a behavior, not a device.
    64,999,978 firearms owners killed NO ONE YESTERDAY.

    You don't shoot to kill, you shoot to stay alive.
    You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.
    Know guns, Know Peace, Know Safety.
    NO GUNS NO PEACE NO SAFETY

    Guns have only two enemies:
    Rust and Politicians

    When you remove the people's right to bear arms,
    you create slaves.

    The Government does not need to know what firearms we own.
    The Government needs to remember WE DO own firearms.
    (more)
  • regina.tollfeldt 2013/02/04 23:25:31
    No
    regina.tollfeldt
    No, because the NRA and its big money have control of everyone in Congress and they
    love big money too much. Congressmen/women do not care how many citizens are
    killed -- they are living in their own little bubble.
  • Jorgy~PWCM~JLA 2013/02/04 21:45:34
    No
    Jorgy~PWCM~JLA
    To find middle ground on guns we would have to repeal most of the gun laws on the books as middle ground was past long ago!
  • darthtbone 2013/02/04 19:48:41
    No
    darthtbone
    +1
    The term, "shall not be infringed" does not indicate compromise.
  • Sid DaBunneh 2013/02/04 18:29:20
    No
    Sid DaBunneh
    They couldn't find their butt with both hands, a crack sniffing dog and a GPS.
  • ed 2013/02/04 17:42:08
    No
    ed
    +2
    I hope not. Middle ground means loosing liberties and freedom and winning for the Politicians and special interests. There is no middle ground on the Bill of Rights. The 2nd Amendment is a God given right to defend our selves from criminals or tyranny.
  • Mrs. Kathy Arch 2013/02/04 17:16:20
    No
    Mrs. Kathy Arch
    With each side hating the other side, I highly doubt it.
  • Live Free Or Die 2013/02/04 16:57:59
    Yes
    Live Free Or Die
    If they are unwilling to look at the current gun laws and what is working and what isn't, they should all be voted out.
  • Mo 2013/02/04 16:56:54
    No
    Mo
    +2
    Middle ground does not exist for those who are determined to write their version of the Constitution-one that favors them and enables elitist ruler types to control more and more of humanity.
  • Dr. John 2013/02/04 11:22:32
    No
    Dr. John
    ...the "right" (NOT a government privilege) of THE PEOPLE to KEEP and BEAR Arms, SHALL NOT be infringed.
    infrige;
    1. To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a contract; infringe a patent.
    2. Obsolete To defeat; invalidate.
    v.intr.
    To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing:
  • T A 2013/02/04 03:17:48
    No
    T A
    +3
    Compromise means nothing when there is only one party as is the case with government.
  • PHS 2013/02/03 23:52:47
    No
    PHS
    +3
    To all our elected representatives "Be bold, be courageous" in defending the 2nd Amendment. Anything less will be a disaster for our Country, our Constitution, our Freedom.
  • The Bantam Seditioner 2013/02/03 23:35:16 (edited)
    No
    The Bantam Seditioner
    +5
    There will be no compromise. Even if they're made illegal, we will not relinquish our guns...case closed!
  • kat 2013/02/03 22:10:21
    No
    kat
    The "art" of compromise has been lost, replaced by useless fevered polarizaton where either nobody gets anything or if the votes are there the wishes of a large segment of the populace isn't considered at all , while those in the majority have it all their way.
  • auxarc 2013/02/03 21:47:46
    Yes
    auxarc
    +1
    I am afraid it will not be much of a compromise. The Blue Dog Democrats are already caving in on Diane Feinstein's submission. Democratic Senator Mark Pryor of Arkansas led the flight. What I hope the minimum that comes from this is a requirement for universal background checks, gun registration of every gun, and a comprehensive federal database of all guns in the country (cars had such databases long before the computer age).

    Frankly, I don't know which of the proposed bans is more offenstive to gun enthusiasts. . . so called "assault weaponry" or bullet clips of more than 10 bullets per magazine. If one or the other is acceptable to the powerful gun movement, I, for one, would like to include that as well. . .
  • PHS auxarc 2013/02/04 00:00:01
    PHS
    I think I can speak for many of the "non-hunter gun enthusiasts" when I say none of the proposed restrictions to the 2nd Amendment are acceptable. The mental health system needs to be looked at and better reporting of those persons with problems should be implemented. Qualified security personnel should be placed in every school and all willing, qualified teachers should be allowed to be armed.
  • Defend ... PHS 2013/02/04 10:21:20
    Defend Western Civlization
    notice all the liberal progressives do not like the fact their hero biden let the cat out of the bag lol lol the man cant even keep a secret lol
  • auxarc Defend ... 2013/02/04 16:50:17
    auxarc
    +1
    Defend,
    What "cat out of the bag"? Biden has proposed no federal law. Barack Obama has imposed 23 executive decisions, and Diane Feinstein has submitted a bill to Congress.
  • Defend ... auxarc 2013/02/04 17:22:56
    Defend Western Civlization
    obama claims these laws are their for stopping mass shootings and biden just stated obama is lying
  • auxarc Defend ... 2013/02/04 17:40:37
    auxarc
    Joe Biden has never accused the President of the United States as "lying". Provide the quote.
  • Defend ... auxarc 2013/02/04 17:55:13
    Defend Western Civlization
    no not in so many words but biden comments blows away the scam about the reason obama wants to push gun control
  • auxarc Defend ... 2013/02/04 19:11:41 (edited)
    auxarc
    +1
    You less than human scumdog,
    All Americans except the repulsive want to push gun control since Sandy Hook! Before Sandy Hook, while Barack Obama has been president, there have been mass shootings in Aurora, Portland, a Wisconsin Sique temple, a Tuscon Safeway parkinglot and Fort Hood. SINCE Sandy Hook, Webster, New York firemen have been ambushed, kids in a California classroom were blown away, an Albuquerque family was slaughtered, and a school bus driver was shot dead so a 5 year old boy can be held prisoner in a 2nd Amendment "Patriot's" survivialist shelter!

    The American gun enthusiasts, mass shooters, make the Black Panther Party look like saints!
  • auxarc PHS 2013/02/04 16:49:00
    auxarc
    +1
    PHS,
    We are $16.5 trillion in debt. Hiring full-time armed guards for 300,000 schools in America, so that private citizens may have military weapons is unacceptable.

    One more time, the 2nd Amendment has in no way been infringed, anywhere, as all states and communities still have their national guard units (militias) with adequate "tents, camp equipage, field pieces, arms, and ammunition" to equip them in "public stores" which we call "armories". Now, we will discuss what personal firearms a private citizen is allowed to have. In both "Heller v Washington DC" and in "McDonald v Chicago" the Supreme Court has ruled that reasonable restrictions on arms and public places where they cannot be allowed IS constitutional under the 2nd Amendment. It is all a question of "definition". . .

    You imply the line should be drawn AFTER AR15's and bullet magazines greater than 10 bullets when you say "none of the proposed restrictions to the 2nd Amendment are acceptable". . . I guess "well regulated militias" is totally absent from your version of the 2nd Amendment. . . Should we also allow in Anthax? Siran Gas? Dirty Nukes? These, like the AR15, are also military "arms" designed for mass killings . Do we have a right to "keep and bear" them? The position of you peopl...
    PHS,
    We are $16.5 trillion in debt. Hiring full-time armed guards for 300,000 schools in America, so that private citizens may have military weapons is unacceptable.

    One more time, the 2nd Amendment has in no way been infringed, anywhere, as all states and communities still have their national guard units (militias) with adequate "tents, camp equipage, field pieces, arms, and ammunition" to equip them in "public stores" which we call "armories". Now, we will discuss what personal firearms a private citizen is allowed to have. In both "Heller v Washington DC" and in "McDonald v Chicago" the Supreme Court has ruled that reasonable restrictions on arms and public places where they cannot be allowed IS constitutional under the 2nd Amendment. It is all a question of "definition". . .

    You imply the line should be drawn AFTER AR15's and bullet magazines greater than 10 bullets when you say "none of the proposed restrictions to the 2nd Amendment are acceptable". . . I guess "well regulated militias" is totally absent from your version of the 2nd Amendment. . . Should we also allow in Anthax? Siran Gas? Dirty Nukes? These, like the AR15, are also military "arms" designed for mass killings . Do we have a right to "keep and bear" them? The position of you people who take sport in shooting firemen, 1st graders and other innocent people is now subject to the real, law abiding, responsible adults of America. I suggest you get real about things like AT LEAST universal background checks, felony penalties for "straw purchases" of guns, and a universal database in which each and every gun in America must be registered. Definition of semi-automatic weapon legality is very much subject to discussion (and future federal laws or Supreme Court decisions), but you people better come on board really damn quick in minimal gun safety and gun slaughter pevention. . .
    (more)
  • Defend ... auxarc 2013/02/04 17:24:34
    Defend Western Civlization
    Americans do not care what you Elites think is acceptable
    Americans have no intention in Negoitating our Inalienable rights
    When will the gun grabbing Liberal progressive elites disband their armed guards and place gun free zone signs in their yards?
  • auxarc Defend ... 2013/02/04 17:42:53
    auxarc
    +1
    Who has armed guards? I don't. Do you?

    I don't believe in posting "gun free zones" either, as long as there are the likes of you AR15 toting 1st grader killers around. . .
  • Defend ... auxarc 2013/02/04 17:55:54
    Defend Western Civlization
    obama/bloomberg/hollywood celibrities/fienstien and other liberal elites who back gun control
  • auxarc Defend ... 2013/02/04 19:19:14
    auxarc
    +1
    Defend,
    Rest assured we will stop you and your brethren from mass shooting anymore 1st grade children!
  • Defend ... auxarc 2013/02/05 01:40:45
    Defend Western Civlization
    you can thank liberal progressive self defense free zones for the mass shootings
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