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Why was the USS Liberty attacked by Israel in Jun. '67 ?

Mike 2012/12/31 16:42:07
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Israel didn't want anyone eavesdropping on their wartime communications. Being an NSA ship, it was mutually beneficial for both governments to hush up the incident.
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  • Chaya2010 2012/12/31 17:05:52 (edited)
    Mistake
    Chaya2010
    +5
    I really can't believe how many times this dead horse gets flogged. On this site alone there are opinions as to why. My own thoughts are:

    - Israel was at war.



    - It was a bad communication on both sides.



    - During investigations by congress, if I recall it was exonerated. A total of 10 investigations!



    - It makes no strategic sense for Israel to attack its only and most significant ally.



    - The pilots were fatigued and there as an argument to be had about the weather conditions.


    - The audio tapes were published which corroborated the official accounts.



    - It was in the 1960's when technology wasn't as advanced, war isn't a science and allies and coalition forces accidentally die in war.



    - For example, the US has killed countless coalition troops in theaters: Gulf War One, Iraq II, Afghanistan. This despite coalition being in clearly marked tanks and/or patrols, this despite the US having world leading communication and despite the US spending more on its military than all the worlds top fourteen military forces combined. On top of this whilst fighting a war with other nations and not alone like Israeli did. Most importantly in the 21st century.

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  • Mike fuzzy K... 2013/01/03 22:07:56
    Mike
    +1
    and Teddy kennedy went back to "save" Mary Jo Kopechne, once he became aware that some boys had spotted the car in the water!
  • fuzzy K... Mike 2013/01/03 22:36:43
    fuzzy Ken "In G*d We Trust"
    +2
    So, what was Israel's motivation?
  • Mike fuzzy K... 2013/01/03 23:23:39
    Mike
    to maintain the myth of the attack being due to "mistaken identity"
  • fuzzy K... Mike 2013/01/04 13:43:54
    fuzzy Ken "In G*d We Trust"
    +2
    No, what was the motive for attacking the Liberty?
    The 'false flag' BS is just that.
    1. Egypt's air force was decimated at the beginning of the war, so there was no way an air strike could be mistaken as theirs.
    2. The last thing Israel wanted was the US to get involved. That would have brought in the Soviets.
  • Mike fuzzy K... 2013/04/06 10:56:38
    Mike
    Israel didn't want an NSA spy ship near the battle lines.
  • fuzzy K... Mike 2013/04/08 12:56:02
    fuzzy Ken "In G*d We Trust"
    +1
    According to us there was no NSA or any other type of US ship within 100 miles. Why would we tell Israel that?
  • joefj2 2012/12/31 18:04:43
    None of the above
    joefj2
    +2
    Despite the order by Israel for all ships to maintain a safe distance from the war zone, the U.S. sent in a cargo ship outfitted with all the needed antenna and dishes to gather as much Intel as possible, more so to see what the Soviets were up to in their supplying the Arabs etc.. the radar pings that the Israeli's were picking up did not match any US Naval vessel cataloged, and because the Egyptian navy used every type vessel they could muster up the USS Liberty was assumed the be an enemy combatant, causing the USS Liberty to become a casualty of a Johnson administration blunder...
  • Turings... joefj2 2012/12/31 18:35:40
    TuringsChild
    +1
    The Israeli pilots recognized the ship as American, reported it, and were STILL ordered to continue the attack. It was no accident.
  • joefj2 Turings... 2012/12/31 19:25:23
    joefj2
    +2
    In war the Egyptians would stoop to any level, even flying US colors. The United States had no business being in a war zone, gathering information, i.e. spying. Israel had no other option, especially in war against five Arab states and the backing of the U.S.S.R. to take this situation lightly.
  • dallasjoe joefj2 2012/12/31 23:06:29
    dallasjoe
    +1
    Check Janes Ships of the Navies of the World for 1967 Liberty looked like nothing the Egyptians haqd in their Fleet
  • joefj2 dallasjoe 2013/01/03 21:31:04
    joefj2
    +2
    Is this the actual 1967 Edition of Janes fighting ships, or a present day addition reflecting back on ships existence in 1967. The silhouette of the ship was similar - particularly to a pilot flying at high speed in a jet fighter aircraft - to the silhouette of ships in the service of the Egyptian Navy
  • dallasjoe joefj2 2013/01/09 15:16:56
    dallasjoe
    +1
    NO WHERE CLOSE and you do not straff at 1.2 Mach
  • joefj2 dallasjoe 2013/01/09 21:52:42
    joefj2
    +2
    and now you are an expert on the Israeli battle tactics of 1967.
    Israel was exonerated of the whole incident anyway, the Johnson administration admitted giving no notification, and no reason for being in a known war zone. It is called collateral damage.
  • dallasjoe joefj2 2013/01/11 04:57:10
    dallasjoe
    +1
    it was called killing Americans pure and simple Johnson was a PUSSY he should have carpet bombed Israel back to the Stone Age
  • joefj2 dallasjoe 2013/01/11 05:14:40
    joefj2
    +2
    You are clueless, you reject history, and you don't even know why you hate Israel.
  • dallasjoe joefj2 2013/01/11 05:20:22
    dallasjoe
    +1
    THEY KIlled Americans on Purpose
  • Mike joefj2 2013/04/06 10:58:35
    Mike
    Most Americans had never even heard of the NSA in 1967, so it was much easier for the Israeli and US governments to do such a good whitewash of the whole incident!
  • littleb... dallasjoe 2013/04/08 13:11:28
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    +1
    Have you ever been at 300 knots at 300 feet? I have and it's VERY fast!
  • Robert ... Turings... 2013/04/06 01:21:14
    Robert Affinity
    +1
    That is incorrect.
    It IS true that DIFFERENT pilots had identified the American ship as being there many hours earlier.
    Then, the US ordered them to leave, and thought they had left and told the Israelis that the ship left.
    Those pilots went off duty and the new shift did not know.
  • dallasjoe joefj2 2012/12/31 23:05:22
    dallasjoe
    +1
    They were in INTERNATIONAL Waters Israel knew who they were attacking Johnson should have stopped the Bombing in Nam and wiped Israel off the face of the MAP But he was a TEXAN so NO BALLS
  • joefj2 dallasjoe 2013/01/01 05:38:18
    joefj2
    +2
    You are a racist.
  • dallasjoe joefj2 2013/01/01 23:54:15
    dallasjoe
    +1
    Jews are white how can I be Racist and Arabs are Semite too so can not be Anti Semetic if I support the Arabs
  • joefj2 dallasjoe 2013/01/02 03:01:13
    joefj2
    +2
    Oh I see you have played the semantics card.
  • dallasjoe joefj2 2013/01/02 04:56:42
    dallasjoe
    +1
    I do admit I am anti Zionist OK
  • joefj2 dallasjoe 2013/01/02 06:12:22
    joefj2
    +3
    Some other friendly fire incidences http://www.ww2pacific.com/fri...

    A United States electronics intelligences ship, Liberty was stationed at the outset of the war off the coast of Sinai, and was steaming slowly some fourteen miles north-west of El-Arish. The Americans had not notified either of the sides as to the purpose or the mission of the ship, or indeed of the fact that the ship was operating in the area. It will be recalled that the fact that when General Tal's forces broke through along the northern axis in the direction of El-Arish, the Egyptian forces regrouped and retook some of the positions that had been captured by the Israeli forces. A certain atmosphere of confusion was created by this situation. On 8 June, fire was directed at Israeli forces in the general area of El-Arish. Israeli forces reported that they were being shelled, presumably from the sea. The Air Force was alerted, and identified a naval vessel sailing off the coast of Sinai in the general area that had received artillery bombardment. The silhouette of the ship was similar - particularly to a pilot flying at high speed in a jet fighter aircraft - to the silhouette of ships in the service of the Egyptian Navy. Without further ado, the Israeli aircraft attacked the strange vessel, which had not bee...
    Some other friendly fire incidences http://www.ww2pacific.com/fri...

    A United States electronics intelligences ship, Liberty was stationed at the outset of the war off the coast of Sinai, and was steaming slowly some fourteen miles north-west of El-Arish. The Americans had not notified either of the sides as to the purpose or the mission of the ship, or indeed of the fact that the ship was operating in the area. It will be recalled that the fact that when General Tal's forces broke through along the northern axis in the direction of El-Arish, the Egyptian forces regrouped and retook some of the positions that had been captured by the Israeli forces. A certain atmosphere of confusion was created by this situation. On 8 June, fire was directed at Israeli forces in the general area of El-Arish. Israeli forces reported that they were being shelled, presumably from the sea. The Air Force was alerted, and identified a naval vessel sailing off the coast of Sinai in the general area that had received artillery bombardment. The silhouette of the ship was similar - particularly to a pilot flying at high speed in a jet fighter aircraft - to the silhouette of ships in the service of the Egyptian Navy. Without further ado, the Israeli aircraft attacked the strange vessel, which had not been identified as friendly, killing 34 members of her crew and wounding 164. Thje ship managed to limp back to Malta. After a military enquiry, the Israelis expressed regret and offered to pay compensation to the United States Government and to the families of those who had been killed or injured. But attempts to imply that this was a premeditated attack on the part of the Israeli forces do not stand to examinations, especially having regard to the particularly close relationship that existed at that time between the Governments of Israel and the United States, and to the almost tacit agreement expressed in a circuitous way by President Lyndon Johnson to the Israel Government, that he would 'understand' if Israel saw no way out of the impasse but to embark on war. The blame would appear to have been primarily that of the United States authorities, who saw fit to position an intelligence gathering ship off the coast of a friendly nation in time of war without giving any warning whatsoever and without advising of the position of their ship.
    The Arab-Israeli Wars by Chaim Herzog pg.165
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  • dallasjoe joefj2 2013/01/02 14:48:32
    dallasjoe
    +1
    The USS Liberty had no Artilllery another Isreali Lie
  • joefj2 dallasjoe 2013/01/02 21:56:14
    joefj2
    +4
    Makes no difference, regrettable as it was The US never notified any parties that the Liberty was 14 miles off the coast of Egypt in hostile waters period.
  • dallasjoe joefj2 2013/01/09 15:18:53
    dallasjoe
    +1
    When they were sailing in the Area thre was noWar 14 Miles out is International Waters Israel attacked and only reason they attacked the Liberty is they overheard the orders to Masacre Captured Egyptian Prisioners
  • Robert ... dallasjoe 2013/04/06 01:24:56
    Robert Affinity
    +1
    Again, wrong on multiple counts.
    1. It was the middle of a chaotic war zone.
    2. Israeli forces had just reported being hit. They didn't know by what. They were not sure if it was shelling from a ship offshore or something else. So, they sent the planes to investigate.
    They were not even armed appropriately to take down a ship, they were just what was available in the chaos.
    (You don't take down a metal warship with fire.)
  • dallasjoe Robert ... 2013/04/06 03:43:29
    dallasjoe
    +1
    Well the USS Liberty had 50 Caliber guns only. So if the Ship was attacked by over the Horizon 6 miles or so I can see that They were Straffed by American Supplied Aircraft to . Look at the Damage the ship A 4 had big enough guns to do some Damage. USS Liberty USS Liberty
    Looks like maybe a Torpedo HIT USS Liberty USS Liberty
  • dallasjoe joefj2 2013/01/11 05:21:19
    dallasjoe
    +1
    they where in International Waters
  • fuzzy K... joefj2 2013/01/03 15:20:14
    fuzzy Ken "In G*d We Trust"
    +2
    Don't bother giving dallasjoe any facts. It just confuses him.
  • dallasjoe joefj2 2013/01/09 15:22:28
    dallasjoe
    +1
    THE USS LIberty's biggest Arament was a .50 Caliber nothing bigger Israeli was massacring Egyptian Prisioners and did not want radio chatter over heard
  • joefj2 dallasjoe 2013/01/11 16:58:23
    joefj2
    +2
    The facts of the incident, in brief, are as follows. After initial stories alleging a massacre ran in 1995, the Jerusalem Post reported that “transcripts of orders from the Six Day War … clearly indicate that the alleged mass murder of Egyptian POWs near El-Arish never occurred …” Instead, what actually happened according to the Post was a full-fledged battle between armed combatants:

    ... several hundred armed Palestinian soldiers, in Egyptian Army uniforms, were trying to escape from the Gaza Strip towards Port Said – not knowing that the area was already under IDF control – on the last day of the war [with Egypt]. They exchanged fire with Nahal soldiers and most were later killed by soldiers from the Shaked reconnaissance unit. (August 17, 1995)
    The bottom line is that charges of Israeli wrongdoing – such as this alleged massacre – often take on a life of their own, and no matter how discredited, many are eventually resurrected and reported again, with the facts that disproved them conveniently forgotten, or at least ignored
  • dallasjoe joefj2 2013/01/12 05:32:27 (edited)
    dallasjoe
    +1
    Oh yeah they would put in writing orders to kill Prisioners. C mon do you think after Nuremburg any nation would put those orders in writing. These are the word od Bill Lomsey an aide to Mayor Curley of Boston. Speak what you dare not write, Nod when you need not Speak, Wink when you need not Nod. He never went to Jail for he had nothing in writing
  • joefj2 dallasjoe 2013/01/13 00:34:35
    joefj2
    +1
    We are at an impasse. When our discussion reverts to he said they said we can say we have come to the end. I conclude that with my view point as pro-Israeli and your view point decidedly pro-Islamic there is no middle ground, now one can understand why the Middle East will never resolve its many problems.
  • dallasjoe joefj2 2013/01/13 21:09:03
    dallasjoe
    +1
    THE ZIONIST killed Americans on purpose to cover up their Criminal Activites in Egypt. The IAF no different that the DeathHead SS Guards at Auschwitz
  • joefj2 dallasjoe 2013/01/14 03:35:27
    joefj2
    +1
    I never say this, but for you I have made an exception.
    You are an Idiot.
  • dallasjoe joefj2 2013/01/14 15:21:32
    dallasjoe
    +1
    You are just person who Hates American and the American Military since you forgive those who murder them
  • joefj2 dallasjoe 2013/01/15 00:06:24 (edited)
    joefj2
    +1
    I served in the US military enlisted when Reagen became President, thought we were going to war against Iran, 01/81 to 08/85.

    USS Liberty was originally the 7,725 long tons (7,849 t) (light) civilian cargo vessel Simmons Victory, a mass-produced, standard-design Victory Ship, the follow-on series to the famous Liberty Ships, which supplied the Allied troops with cargo. She was acquired by the United States Navy, converted to an Auxiliary Technical Research Ship (AGTR), and began her first deployment in 1965, to waters off the west coast of Africa. She carried out several more operations during the next two years.
    Being that this was a mass produced ship during WWII, It is not unlikely that the Egyptians, Libyans, Algerians, Tunisians, Syrians, or other Islamic state acquired one of them after the War. Considering that Israel was at war with Jordan, Syria, Egypt/Gaza, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and troops from other Islamic states, It was a dumb stunt for Johnson to pull. SS Red Oak Victory Ship  USS Liberty

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