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"Iran is not seeking to have the atomic bomb, possession of which is
pointless, dangerous and is a great sin from an intellectual and a
religious point of view."

Thus did supreme leader Ayatollah
Ali Khamenei declare in February that Iran's possession of atomic
weapons would be a mortal sin against Allah.

It is also the
unanimous judgment of the U.S. intelligence community, declared in 2007
and affirmed in 2011, that Iran has abandoned any program to build
nuclear weapons.

Is the Ayatollah lying? Is the entire U.S. intel community wrong?

Iran's
plants, at Natanz, where uranium is enriched to 5 percent, and at
Fordow, where it is enriched to 20 percent -- both below weapons grade
-- are under constant U.N. monitoring. Iran has offered to surrender its
20 percent uranium and cease enriching to that level, if the West will
provide isotopes for its nuclear medicine and lift some of the more
onerous sanctions.

No deal, says the United States. Iran must give up enrichment entirely and indefinitely.

This
is the sticking point in the negotiations. Iran contends that as a
signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, she has the right to
enrich uranium for peaceful purposes. On this, the Iranian people stand
behind their government.

Should this deadlock be a cause for war?

Assume
Iran did divert low-grade nuclear fuel to some secret plant to enrich
it to weapons grade. The process would take months, if not years. Iran
would then have to build and test an explosive device that the world
would know about in hours. Iran would then have to weaponize the device.

The whole process would take longer than a year, perhaps
several. We would learn about it and have time to exercise a military
option long before it came to pass.

The Israelis, with hundreds
of nuclear weapons, would probably have learned about it before us. And,
fearing Iran more, they would not hesitate to use what they have to
prevent an atom bomb in Tehran.

Comes the retort: President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a certifiable fanatic who has threatened to wipe
Israel off the map. He cannot be allowed to get anywhere near a nuclear
weapon.

Yet whatever Ahmadinejad said years ago, and that remains
in dispute, he does not control the military, he does not decide on
war, and he leaves the presidency next July and heads back to academia.

Is America afraid of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

Where, then, is the mortal threat to justify the U.S. preparations for war with Iran described in the national press this week?

The Financial Times' Gideon Rachman argues that our obsession with Iran is obscuring a far greater potential threat.

Pakistan
possesses perhaps 100 nuclear bombs and is building more, and
anti-Americanism there is far more rampant than in Iran. He writes:

"Pakistan
provided nuclear technology to North Korea, Libya and Iran itself. It
came dangerously close to nuclear conflict with India in 1999. As for
terrorism, Osama bin Laden was actually living on Pakistani soil for
many years, and the tribal areas in Pakistan are still al-Qaida's most
important base.

"Pakistan was also the launch pad for the
terrorist attacks in Mumbai in 2008, in which 164 people were killed.
Although Pakistan's government condemned the attacks, there is strong
evidence that the terrorists had links to Pakistan's intelligence. If
the Mumbai attacks had been launched from Iran, the West would be
shouting about 'state-sponsored terrorism.'"

Seven in 10
Pakistanis regard America as an enemy. And the drone strikes ramped up
by President Obama, which have taken the lives of many innocent
Pakistanis, have increased the animosity.

Yet, U.S. planes and
warships are heading into the Persian Gulf, as 44 U.S. senators have
urged the president to break off talks with Tehran, toughen the
sanctions even further and prepare for war.

Meanwhile, Iran is
testing missiles that can hit Israel and U.S. bases, and its large fleet
of missile boats is exercising in the Gulf.

Otto von Bismarck
said that preventive war was like committing suicide out of fear of
death. Are we Americans headed for yet another unnecessary war?

In
1959, President Eisenhower invited Nikita Khrushchev, the Butcher of
Budapest, to the United States for 10 days of touring and talks. In
1972, Richard Nixon traveled to Beijing to toast and talk with Chairman
Mao, who was responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of Chinese
and tens of thousands of Americans in Korea. Ronald Reagan sought
constantly for an opportunity to sit down across from the rulers of the
"evil empire."

Iran is not remotely in that league, either in
crimes attributed to the regime or any actual or potential threat to the
United States.

Have we no statesmen who can sit down, like
Reagan at Reykjavik, and negotiate with Iran's leaders for verifiable
guarantees that she is not moving to nuclear weapons in return for
something approaching normal relations?

If we could sit down with
Stalin and Mao, why are the Ayatollah or Ahmadinejad so far beyond the
pale? Can we just not handle that?


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  • Theresa 2012/07/08 04:55:54
    Power Control and Greed
    Theresa
    +6
    The answer is not what most people believe. First off the US goes to war where the International Bankers tell them to do it. Fist in Iraq because he dared to mention trading oil for anything other USD. Iran's central Banks is not affiliated with the FED/ IMF system. Therefore they need to be brought in line. So the US military will be used to attack Iran due the Banker's wishes for ultimate control.

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  • Dodgerfan 2012/07/08 20:53:57
    Undecided
    Dodgerfan
    +1
    Another false flag.
  • Steve ☮ R ☮ P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/07/08 16:43:52
    Power Control and Greed
    Steve ☮ R ☮ P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    Iran opened the "Iranian Oil Bourse" back in 2007/2008 and will not accept US dollars for their oil. Knowing that the US dollar, until now, has been the world's reserve currency primarily for oil sales, and that this status is the only thing keeping the US dollar afloat, Iran's defiance is a threat to the dollar and could bring the entire house of cards down on our heads.

    Of course, Iran is completely within their rights to sell their oil in whatever currency they choose, but the US will not stand for this simply because of the potential for other countries to follow suit. The US dollar is so close to collapsing already, it isn't even funny. Both the Afghan and Iraq wars were started for the same reason... to protect the US dollar from collapse. All those people dead because our own government has inflated away all value in our currency. It's sick, criminal, and deplorable.
  • historian Steve ☮... 2012/07/08 17:01:15
    historian
    Our government didn't inflate away the value, they don't create the money, but only borrow it. The ones to blame are the international bankers, mostly Zionist, who have managed to worm their way into almost every nation in order to enslave them to debt. He who pays the piper callst he tune. Those countries like Iran who don't agree with the debt-based system, or enslavement, pose threats because they show a stark proof that you can be more prosperous without it(unless of course you're under the burden of heavy sanctions, CIA/Mossad strikes on your infrastructure, and instigated social unrest). It's really sad, but most people are too far gone to begin to see it, and I've come to the conclusion that many don't really want to.
  • Steve ☮... historian 2012/07/08 21:46:08
    Steve ☮ R ☮ P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    I was speaking in general terms on that one. I know the Fed creates our money and they are part of the global banking cabal. Glad to see there are others out there who understand all of this crap and who is behind it.
  • Patsy 2012/07/08 16:34:21
    Undecided
    Patsy
    We should be concerned, Obama administration isn't, because they are a threat to our only ally in that area. Israel.
  • historian Patsy 2012/07/08 17:02:32
    historian
    Why is Israel our ally? Can you please tell me what makes the toxic relationship worthwhile to America, what the two countries -really- have in common, etc? Please.
  • mustangluver 2012/07/08 16:25:30
    Obama Administration is addicted to War
    mustangluver
    It must be understood that Israel and Iran have been going at it for 3000 yrs now..LOL..Iran will never leave the Israelis alone! BO is enjoying the war in Afghanistan..he is enjoying his war power. BO told China: I can't stop Israel strike on Iran indefinitely...Here is an article worth the read..
    http://wartard.blogspot.com/2...
  • Robbb 2012/07/08 11:05:39
    Power Control and Greed
    Robbb
    +2
    It gives them an excuse to keep on giving money to Israel and help keep the Mid East destabilised.
  • Michael=Constitution & Liberty 2012/07/08 07:40:09
    Power Control and Greed
    Michael=Constitution & Liberty
    +1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?... Iran not a threat
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?... Iran a threat
    Pure propaganda BS for the war machine...
  • historian 2012/07/08 06:38:10
    Power Control and Greed
    historian
    +3
    The perpetual war system that has taken over America, the enslavement to the needs of "Israel" above those of our own country, an easily frightened and ignorant population, etc. You'd hope after a decade of war with countries that posed no threat to the U.S., with hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, dead, etc would teach even the most thick-headed a lesson, but nope, they still want more.
  • Gregaj7 2012/07/08 05:38:53
    Undecided
    Gregaj7
    +3
    Ahmadinejad and Chavez are the two main Oligarchs that are not under the thumb of the Rothschild international bankers. The "United States" is the enforcement arm of said folk.
  • Arizona1950 2012/07/08 05:04:41
    Power Control and Greed
    Arizona1950
    +4
    The MSM must keep its board members and sponsors happy ...

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  • Theresa 2012/07/08 04:55:54
    Power Control and Greed
    Theresa
    +6
    The answer is not what most people believe. First off the US goes to war where the International Bankers tell them to do it. Fist in Iraq because he dared to mention trading oil for anything other USD. Iran's central Banks is not affiliated with the FED/ IMF system. Therefore they need to be brought in line. So the US military will be used to attack Iran due the Banker's wishes for ultimate control.
  • Katfish 2012/07/08 04:50:00
    Power Control and Greed
    Katfish
    +3
    Iran is almost ready to take over the world, didn't you hear?
    LOL. rediculous
  • Jester M.S. 2012/07/08 04:13:10 (edited)
    Undecided
    Jester M.S.
    +2
    Iran has a long track record of either lying or using deception in nearly every instance in which it has had dealings with the US or the UN as a whole. Why on earth would any reasonable individual think they are now suddenly having a change of heart and leveling with the international community? People seriously need a dose of reality on this issue.

    a) Iran will do its best to develop atomic weaponry.

    b) Iran will also do its best to develop a long range delivery device for such weaponry.

    c) Iran will only cease and desist from these measures by force.

    The International community only has 2 options to ponder: Either deal with Iran militarily, or deal with the consequences of an unstable country with nuclear weaponry.
  • Nam Era... Jester ... 2012/07/08 04:28:03
    Nam Era Vet #1 DNA TLC
    +2
    Well said, sir. Well said.
  • historian Jester ... 2012/07/08 06:52:28
    historian
    +3
    In the interest of being reasonable-

    a.) Why wouldn't Iran want to develop a nuclear weapon when it has been threatened with destruction by Israel and the United States repeatedly for years.

    b.) What ever happened to going to war only when absolutely necessary and in defense, something a war with Iran would not be.

    c.) Why are there only two choices?

    Iran has not attacked its neighbors in approximately a century, only fighting with Iraq after the United States encouraged their associate, Saddam Hussein to attack and invade that country. What indication is there that the Persian civilization, the nation of Iran, its almost 80 million people, etc are ready to commit suicide by lobbing a nuclear missile at another nation? Why do people still believe Iranian leaders said "Wipe Israel off the map" when it was shown to be "The Zionist regime will disappear from the pages of history", maybe because the first sounds like a threat of military attack? Why does the U.S. or its allies treat the nation of Iran and its people like a colony, destroying its government and installing a puppet ruler in the past and ever since the people there revolted and established their own government war has been threatened against them(and as stated above, carried out through the proxy Saddam Hussein i...





    In the interest of being reasonable-

    a.) Why wouldn't Iran want to develop a nuclear weapon when it has been threatened with destruction by Israel and the United States repeatedly for years.

    b.) What ever happened to going to war only when absolutely necessary and in defense, something a war with Iran would not be.

    c.) Why are there only two choices?

    Iran has not attacked its neighbors in approximately a century, only fighting with Iraq after the United States encouraged their associate, Saddam Hussein to attack and invade that country. What indication is there that the Persian civilization, the nation of Iran, its almost 80 million people, etc are ready to commit suicide by lobbing a nuclear missile at another nation? Why do people still believe Iranian leaders said "Wipe Israel off the map" when it was shown to be "The Zionist regime will disappear from the pages of history", maybe because the first sounds like a threat of military attack? Why does the U.S. or its allies treat the nation of Iran and its people like a colony, destroying its government and installing a puppet ruler in the past and ever since the people there revolted and established their own government war has been threatened against them(and as stated above, carried out through the proxy Saddam Hussein in the 80s).

    Iran lacks the technology to even threaten the United States, or "Israel", since that nation seems to be the 51st state.

    Why is it that trillions have been spent on building a worldwide military grid, thousands of intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear weapons, etc as protection, and proclaimed to work as a deterrent against the "big red threat" the Soviet Union, but now we're told that the far weaker nation Iran, with an antiquated military in comparison, is such a threat that we must risk escalating World War 3 by preemptively attacking them or helping "Israel" once they do it.

    At what point does the U.S. lose its credibility as the beacon of truth and justice? Another million deaths, another two or three countries destroyed?
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  • Jester ... historian 2012/07/08 07:15:28
    Jester M.S.
    +1
    Allow me to reiterate my options for a course of action by quoting myself:


    "The International community only has 2 options to ponder: Either deal with Iran militarily, or deal with the consequences of an unstable country with nuclear weaponry".

    It would appear as though you prefer the latter. The question is, based upon Iran's history, is that a risk that that the world should be willing to take? You are giving the Iranian theocracy far more credit for acting rationally than they even remotely deserve. Their regime is noted the world over for their acts of brutality, largely waged against their own citizens.

    I would not feel comfortable having a sociopath like Ahmadinejad with his hands on a nuclear device, and most anybody in that region is likely to agree. Ignoring the threat this poses to both regional and world stability is incredibly naive from a risk management perspective.

    The US and UN may do nothing anyway, other than useless sanctions which will have no substantial impact on their ability to develop a weapon. Being an apologist for the Iranian regime is both short-sided and dangerous.
  • historian Jester ... 2012/07/08 07:20:33
    historian
    +3
    Where do you come up with the diagnosis of the Iranians President as a sociopath? Claiming that Iran is a threat to the world is only realistic in the context of Iran being attacked by the U.S./Israel/NATO and Russia and/or China responding in Iran's favor.

    I'm not being an apologist for the Iranian government, I'm being realistic and not allowing my thoughts to be dictated by propaganda and fear-mongering. I see no real evidence that Iran poses a threat whatsoever. As for their internal, political and social problems, that is their business, and the U.S. would do well to clean its own house considering the police state growing in strength before our eyes.
  • Steve ☮... Jester ... 2012/07/08 16:59:58
  • Steve ☮... historian 2012/07/08 17:01:29
    Steve ☮ R ☮ P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    Very well said, Historian. The credibility issue really is all anyone should need to consider when trying to determine if anything our government has told us about Iran is true.
  • Steve ☮... Jester ... 2012/07/08 16:53:03
    Steve ☮ R ☮ P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    Why has the US denied all offers of cooperation proferred by Iran? That's the key question, and here's the answer...

    Because they don't want Iran's cooperation. The motive for US hostilities has NOTHING to do with nuclear weapons. So the US is stuck dealing with a mess they created themselves, and they are snowing the people of this country, you included, with this nuke BS.

    This is all about protecting the US dollar's weak position as the world's reserve currency. If Iran agreed to start selling their oil in only US dollars again, all of this peacefully goes away. And the big bad bully, the US government, will have gotten their way again.
  • Jarod Kochman 2012/07/08 04:09:30
  • abubincrazy 2012/07/08 04:08:08
    Undecided
    abubincrazy
    +1
    Iran is run by CRAZY Islamists who HATE America.
    They actually forced thousands of their children to march to their deaths as cannon-fodder in their war with Iraq.
    These unarmed kids would march into mine-fields, or serve to expend enemy ammunition.
    They have REPEATEDLY called for the destruction of Israel, and referred to America as the Great Satan.
    Oh yeah, during the Carter Humiliation, they held our Embassy hostage.
    They have NO love for human life, and they need to be deposed.
  • historian abubinc... 2012/07/08 06:54:36
    historian
    +1
    Iraq attacked and invaded Iran, and I can assure you that if America were invaded, there would be children wielding guns in defense of our homeland.
  • abubinc... historian 2012/07/09 01:38:42
    abubincrazy
    No, our military would annihilate the invaders.
    Unarmed children would not be used as cannon fodder.
  • historian abubinc... 2012/07/09 02:41:59
    historian
    Really? Our military is located in other people's countries, except for those training to attack We the People in a civil war. Children have taken up arms to fight for this country before, and they would do it again. As for Iran using thousands of unarmed children as cannon fodder, marching them into mine fields or simply to have the enemy waste ammo, I'd like to know where your information comes from. If the rest of your post is any indication, it comes from the war propaganda box containing the remains of dead Kuwaiti babies ripped from incubators by Iraqi soldiers(a proven lie and entirely staged event in front of the world), the best-selling "Jessica Lynch Story", a sensational lie, the missing WMD that called for the war of aggression against Iraq, and the list goes on. If you go around spreading rumor and gossip in favor of a war that could result in the death of millions, even billions if it escalates into total war involving Russia and China, you have a part of the responsibility for the innocent blood shed.

    Iraq, controlled by the U.S. ally, Saddam Hussein, attacked and invaded Iran, resulting in a devastating war.(the U.S. has never accepted that Iran broke free from the puppet government they installed there).
    They have not repeatedly called for the destruction o...












    Really? Our military is located in other people's countries, except for those training to attack We the People in a civil war. Children have taken up arms to fight for this country before, and they would do it again. As for Iran using thousands of unarmed children as cannon fodder, marching them into mine fields or simply to have the enemy waste ammo, I'd like to know where your information comes from. If the rest of your post is any indication, it comes from the war propaganda box containing the remains of dead Kuwaiti babies ripped from incubators by Iraqi soldiers(a proven lie and entirely staged event in front of the world), the best-selling "Jessica Lynch Story", a sensational lie, the missing WMD that called for the war of aggression against Iraq, and the list goes on. If you go around spreading rumor and gossip in favor of a war that could result in the death of millions, even billions if it escalates into total war involving Russia and China, you have a part of the responsibility for the innocent blood shed.

    Iraq, controlled by the U.S. ally, Saddam Hussein, attacked and invaded Iran, resulting in a devastating war.(the U.S. has never accepted that Iran broke free from the puppet government they installed there).
    They have not repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel, you are parroting a lie that was proven false several years ago. They have repeatedly said the Zionist regime that controls Israel will eventually fall, tear itself apart etc and disappear from the pages of history. The media continues to this day repeating a known lie about "wiping Israel off the map" because it causes fear and denotes physical destruction, especially nuclear, which is effective propaganda in their service to bring the American people on board for yet another unprovoked war of aggression in the Middle East.
    The people of Iran were upset and took hostages at the embassy because the United States refused to extradite the shah to face justice in the country he had ruled over as dictator for years. It's not as cut and dry when you actually try to understand the events and not just buy the t-shirt.

    And finally I'll lump these two together in the emotional, hysterical, fear-mongering bin-
    "Iran is run by CRAZY Islamists who HATE America"
    "They have NO love for human life, and they need to be deposed"

    They're not the ones tearing up countries and leaving dead bodies in their wake from country to country, using drones to destroy villages of men, women, and children on a mere claim that a "terrorist" was there, using weapons that leave the land and people poisoned, etc. Hypocrisy at its finest.

    Though I do not subscribe to Islam, or even know a lot about it, beyond reading a little here and there, I don't believe all Islamists are CRAZY, anymore than I believe the propaganda used against Christians constantly such as stories about Jim Jones, David Koresh, snake handlers, holy rollers, Jesus Camp, the inquisition, the crazy hillbilly christians living in the woods waiting to get you if your car breaks down, and so forth. I can look at the actions of Iran, the history of Iran, the Persian culture and tell you that you're spewing shock and awe slogans to attempt to stir up fear, blood-lust, anger, etc in the ignorant though.

    I don't believe they hate America either, but I'm pretty damned sure they're sick of this nation treating the rest of the world like colonies in a globalist empire(one where the U.S. has no sovereignty either, when it's all said and done), sick of the double standard and hypocrisy created in the Middle East by the nuclear armed Israel that snubs its nose at the U.N. while the United States uses that same body's sanctions and resolutions as excuses to invade, destroy, overthrow, and otherwise meddle in the affairs of others, sick of the U.S. signing international treaties, like the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, in which it agrees to help other nations develop nuclear energy but to restrain from expanding nuclear weapon technology, but in practice helping to arm Israel with the latest nuclear technology, while condoning that nation's attack on Iraq and Syria for suspected nuclear energy development, and now trying to bring total war on Iran based on vague suspicions and prognostications into the future.

    Please stop being a tool. Iran is no teddy bear, but they're not the rabid grizzly with the remains of small children sticking out of its teeth either.
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  • abubinc... historian 2012/07/10 01:53:21
    abubincrazy
    Historical fact. It's easily accessible info. Don't be so damned lazy. Look it up.
  • atomikmom 2012/07/08 04:04:06
    Undecided
    atomikmom
    +2
    We are Screwed if we go into war with Iran!!and Obama doesn't care.
  • abubinc... atomikmom 2012/07/08 04:25:07
    abubincrazy
    Obama doesn't care about America.
    He's an international socialist with NO loyalty to our country.
    In the book he allegedly wrote, he said he would "always side with the muslims".
    How can ANY American support this scumbag?
  • historian abubinc... 2012/07/08 06:56:08
    historian
    +1
    The "international socialists" are the ones who want America to attack a non-threat like Iran. How many unnecessary wars to weaken our military and destroy our morale needs to occur before people let that sink in?

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