Quantcast

Why the American mainland was not invaded during WWII. (Or another reason for preserving the Second Amendment )

Steverno~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/04 01:27:24
The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
The Second Amendment is no longer necessary because...
Other Thoughts!
You!
Add Photos & Videos

In an article in this publication titled The Rationale of the Automatic Rifle, I quoted some oral history from war veteran and career Navy man Bob Menard. I first met him at the NH State Championship of outdoor conventional pistol shooting back in the late Sixties. He won that event and held the title for several years. He had been Virginia State Champion prior to moving to the Granite State. Some years later, Robert Menard was the NRA Counselor who certified my wife and I as a firearms instructor through that organization.

Bob had told us that he’d been aboard the USS Constellation—he remembered the year as 1960—when he had been part of joint maneuvers conducted with what were by then called the Japanese Defense Forces. Over dinner and drinks, with Japanese and American naval officers talking shop, many of the WWII veterans, the question had come up, why didn’t the Japanese invade what they must have recognized as the wide open West Coast of the United States at the beginning of that war?

The officer had replied that his country was well aware that there was a high density of armed citizenry in America, even state championships for private citizens in the use of military rifles, and that the Japanese were not fools to set foot in such quicksand. Menard, even then a man committed to Second Amendment rights, naturally kept a vivid memory of the conversation.

The story has found its way onto the Internet. Now comes one "TSB," who holds forth on the Internet against Menard, with remarks like the following:

"Darn, those wily Japs thought of everything. How can anyone read this crap without laughing? You know, whomever promulgated this BS obviously thought that making up this mythology would be helpful to the (Right to Keep and Bear Arms) cause, or on the flip side, wanted to make pro-gun folks look like ignoramuses…Sort of like that other cherished myth that the Swiss militia deterred both the Kaiser and later Hitler from attacking Switzerland. T’wasn’t so."

According to On Target, the journal of the North Central Florida Sportsman’s Association, "TSB is the handle for ‘The Shooting Bench’ radio show host, Bill Walker." TSB’s position is that the reason the Japanese did not invade was that it wasn’t in their interest to do so, and that they lacked the physical wherewithal for such a massive undertaking. Furthermore, he says, the Constellation was in dry-dock for fire damage repair during 1960, implying that Menard therefore must have fabricated the whole thing. Interestingly, TSB expects us to take as a given his flat statements that an armed citizen militia had nothing to do with Switzerland’s neutrality.

I beg to differ. Politico-military recognition of the danger of invading or tyrannizing an armed populace is something long since documented in history. Does TSB forget the American Revolution? In his authoritative book Origins and Development of the Second Amendment, David T. Hardy, an attorney and expert on the history of law, quotes historian William Gordon 1.

"William Pitt, the Earl of Chatham, remained the colonist’s defender in the House of Lords. Shortly after Concord, he urged attempts at peacemaking. ‘(T)he Congress of Philadelphia…do not hold the language of slaves: they tell you what they mean. They do not ask you to repeal your laws as a favor: they claim it as a right; they demand it. They tell you they will not submit to them, and I tell you the (Coercive) Acts must be repealed; you cannot enforce them….My Lords, there are three millions of whigs. Three millions of whigs, my Lords, with arms in their hands, are a very formitable (sic) body. ‘twas the whigs, my Lords, that set his Majesty’s royal ancestors upon the throne of England.’"2

Pitt’s words fell on deaf ears. England stepped into the quicksand that soon became the Revolutionary War, and came to regret it. A precedent was set that would continue for centuries. From the Viet Cong to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, it has been proven much more recently that peasants with guns and a cause they believed in can thwart the organized might of the world’s greatest military superpowers.

The Swiss militia and Switzerland’s carefully crafted strategy of being able to seal off their country and make roads impassable by enemy armor in 24 hours had nothing to do with deterring Adolf Hitler from invading? I don’t know how many times TSB has been to Switzerland. I’ve been there twice, spending much of my time in the company of Swiss military men. They are the ones who should know, and they were utterly convinced that it was the obvious hopelessness of invading a country in which every household was not only armed but skilled with state of the art military rifles that kept the Nazi wolf from Switzerland’s door. A true picture of the powerful deterrent effect of the armed Swiss citizenry is seen in the works of Stephen Halbrook and others.

The same principle works in microcosm. Does anyone believe that 12 million armed Jews, Gypsies, and homosexuals would have been herded into cattle cars by Nazis and shipped away for extermination? Closer to home, consider the recent comment by Professor John Lott, the controversial but incontrovertible gun law researcher. "(S)tudies—including a recent one by Rand—show that in high-gun-ownership areas, criminals take more time casing a home before they break in, to make sure nobody is home. The reason they give is because they don’t want to be shot." 3

"TSB" can, of course, believe what he wants. He can believe that the nightmarish prospect of house to house combat with a nation of citizen sharpshooters would not deter a warlord from sending his infantry there. He can believe that criminals aren’t more afraid of good people who have guns than good people who don’t. He can believe that the Earth is flat.

But when he tries to promulgate such opinions, he loses credibility, and when he attacks the veracity of Commander Menard by calling his recollections "BS," he loses his own honor. TSB is legitimately concerned about gun owners losing face with spurious quotes, like the "firearms are liberty’s teeth" line attributed to George Washington which no one could verify. Menard’s account does not fall into that category.

Oral history is an honored and respected tradition in this country. Bob Menard’s recollection of that discussion with his Japanese counterpart so long ago is a classic example, and one that we can learn from. If TSB is right and the retired war veteran was off by a year or so on the date, it detracts not at all from the powerful message that conversation sends to those who today fight for critical rights that are in danger. Commander Menard deserves better.

Finally, TSB also has the right to say that he knows more about Japanese war strategy sixty years ago than the Japanese naval officer who made that statement to Menard. I suspect, however, that the Japanese officer was a whole lot closer to the situation than TSB, and his opinion carries a great deal more weight. It is significant to note that in 1945, as the US invasion of Japan loomed, the Japanese government began a crash program of training its citizens to shoot back and if necessary, fight back with home-made lances. This speaks of a government that had long understood and respected the power of an armed citizenry, which is probably why from feudal times to WWII, Japan systematically and ruthlessly disarmed every nation it conquered.

The deterrent effect of an armed citizenry against invaders and tyrants is inescapable to any graduate of History 101. It is confirmed by Logic 101. End of story. Sorry, TSB. That Japanese naval officer had it nailed, and the honorable Commander Menard was right to spread the word.




Why the American mainland was not invaded during WWII

Read More: http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob0109.html

Add a comment above

Top Opinion

  • sick'n'tired 2012/06/04 01:47:33 (edited)
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    sick'n'tired
    +13
    When UN gun laws are imposed and guns are outlawed it will be the total collapse of America. America is the last stronghold of freedom and the last hurdle for NWO domination.

Sort By
  • Most Raves
  • Least Raves
  • Oldest
  • Newest
Opinions

  • daniellhawk 2012/06/24 21:55:44
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    daniellhawk
    +2
    this is what will happen if its not
    they can have my gun when they pry it from my cold
  • Flamingolady 2012/06/08 13:08:49
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    Flamingolady
  • DuncanONeil 2012/06/08 11:20:56
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    DuncanONeil
    +2
    ...it is not about protecting the US from without, but for protecting the people from the excesses of the Government. For that the Second is STILL necessary!
  • Marie-Jacqueline 2012/06/05 19:36:43 (edited)
    Other Thoughts!
    Marie-Jacqueline
    +1
    What an American will say, even twist history if they see fit, just to keep their guns.

    And yes, I know the right to bear arms is in your constitution.

    Why weren't your attacked on the American continent?
    Because of you weapons, no!
    Just the shear size of the country, the millions and millions of inhabitants.

    How big was Nazi-Germany, how big Japan?

    Compeared with the U.S. small and very small.
    Who had had the materials, oil, steal, cole etc. available on their own soil?

    German an Japan had to occupy countries for that

    Their troops of Nazi Germany and Japan were spread over the European continent and North Africa and over the Pacific.
    Do you really think they could effort troops, weapons etc. to attack mainland USA?

    Switzerland had/has the benefit of its mountains.
    By land very difficult to enter, the same by air.
    It took in effect not to many troops to watch the borders.
    Nothing to do with armed citizens.
  • DuncanO... Marie-J... 2012/06/08 11:19:00
    DuncanONeil
    +2
    For the Japanese the west coast of America was a concern. Many in their military wanted to attack after Pearl to give them further time to consolidate the Pacific and make for a negotiated settlement from the US.
  • jumpboo... Marie-J... 2013/01/08 05:23:34
    jumpboots 187th PIR
    +1
    If Hitler had taking the USSR. The USA was next. 1944 the market garden 1944 the market garden
  • Marie-J... jumpboo... 2013/01/08 22:40:12
    Marie-Jacqueline
    +1
    That could have been a possibility but not very likely.

    Like Napoleon before him Hitler dit underestimate the shere size of the USSR and the fearce winters.
    Seize USSR: 22,402,200 km² (8,649,538 sq mi)
    Size USA: 9,826,675 km2 (3,794,101 sq mi )

    A union of 15 subnational Soviet republics, its government and economy were highly centralized.
  • jumpboo... Marie-J... 2013/01/09 00:44:15
    jumpboots 187th PIR
    +1
    Yes.....I agree.......
  • 2468 2012/06/04 20:43:59
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    2468
    +3
    The second amendment is a cornerstone to our Constitution.

    While we weren't invaded by troops they did send some lighter than air fire bombs with the goal of burning down forests.

    They also shot torpedoes at the continental slope with the objective of setting off an earthquake.

    My grandfather used to take up watch on the coast as a civilian. Lights were not turned on so that they would not be targets if they got a plane overhead.
  • ~Adrien~ 2012/06/04 20:42:14
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    ~Adrien~
  • texasred 2012/06/04 18:39:05
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    texasred
    +5
    1. It is our Constitutional right to own firearms.
    2. It allows Americans to protect these United States if another nation tries to invade.
    3. It allows law-abiding citizens to protect themselves from criminals.
    4. It allows Americans to protect themselves and this nation from treasonous government officials.
  • Larry777 2012/06/04 17:21:05
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    Larry777
    +5
    With all of the rises of the great dictatorships, like Nazi Germany, or the Soviet Union, or the People Republic of China, guns were always banned shortly after the leader came to power.
  • Keith 2012/06/04 16:24:26 (edited)
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    Keith
    +2
    Gun rights are just that rights, and should not be infringed. However if an invasion took place today our guns would not do much, look at the tech today, advanced jets, bombers, tanks, missiles, IR, etc. Small arms will not do much against those and we don't have the right to own rockets and AA guns. In WW2 alot of the battle was on the ground so lots of armed citizens was a big problem, with today's tech and the war is waged now it wouldn't really be the case, in fact it would be a death sentence for all of us. They would be extremely brutal to scare people from even thinking of shooting at them.
  • 2468 Keith 2012/06/04 20:45:57
    2468
    +1
    Also, look at Afghanistan with their limited tools they held off the Russians and then us as well. If it only took technology to win we should have won by now.

    A lesser weapon and an intimate knowledge of the terrain can be formidable.
  • seadog6... Keith 2012/06/04 21:18:22
  • Devil's Advocate 2012/06/04 15:42:07
    Other Thoughts!
    Devil's Advocate
    +2
    I have no problem with the Second Amendment at all. The Amendment says that 'a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms will not be infringed'.
    I think that quite clearly suggests that individual ownership is permitted, however it must be in accordance with a set of clearly defined regulations. People who do not have gun-related felonies, people not suffering from paranoid, schizophrenic or erstwhile delusional mental disorders, people not on probation or with arrest warrants et cetera.
    I do not think there is any issue therefore with well-regulated personal possession.
  • seadog6... Devil's... 2012/06/04 21:19:24
  • Devil's... seadog6... 2012/06/12 00:11:33
    Devil's Advocate
    +1
    Indeed so. That was my point.
  • IronOx Devil's... 2012/06/05 18:01:33
    IronOx
    +1
    Couldn't agree more, but would point out that the focus should be put on upholding the laws that are currently on the books.
  • Freeranger 2012/06/04 15:29:39
    Other Thoughts!
    Freeranger
    +4
    What got the ball rolling was the CMP---Civilian Marksmanship Program, back before WW1. It was created by our U.S. Congress as part of the 1903 War Department Appropriations Act. The original purpose was to provide civilians an opportunity to learn and practice marksmanship skills so they would be skilled marksmen if later called on to serve in the U.S. military. It's still going strong today.
  • JoeM 2012/06/04 15:28:49
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    JoeM
    +4
    Great Article. The wisdom of the founders is clear.
  • Mog of War 2012/06/04 15:16:46
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    Mog of War
    +5
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The right to bear arms is what separates a citizen from a peasant. Any society who cannot bear arms is a society of peasants. I personally don't own a gun, but I can get one very quickly if I so desired or needed to.
  • 2468 Mog of War 2012/06/04 20:47:09
    2468
    +2
    If things go bad it may be harder to get one.
    I also don't have a gun currently.
    Another thing to have would be reloading equipment.
  • Texas Johnny 2012/06/04 15:06:17
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    Texas Johnny
    +5
    The police and the military cannot protect us all the time. I know that Bill Maher, had commented that the 2nd Amendment makes no sense in the era of nuclear warfare, but of course he is speaking out of his ass as he always does. America is too valuable of a country to destroy out right w/nuclear weapons. We are too far developed and things are too valuable for a potential enemy to risk blowing them up. An invasion is possible because of that value. An armed populace is a scary thing to an invading army, no matter how big. France and the rest of Europe was easy pickings for Hitler because, in part many Europeans' gun rights were heavily restricted and they had no real means to resist . We would not be engaged in mass battles, it would be ambushes and the like, the Tiger v. Elephant mentality. A tiger can't kill an elephant in one stroke, so it attacks a little at a time until the elephant bleeds out and dies.
  • michael 2012/06/04 14:29:40
    Other Thoughts!
    michael
    +2
    Wrong, the USA was invaded during WWll by the Japanese!!
    The Aleutian Islands Campaign was a struggle over the Aleutian Islands, part of the Alaska Territory, in the Pacific campaign of World War II starting on 3 June 1942. Also it is forgotten but the Germans also landed spies near Jacksonville-Florida during in an effort to get into USA but they were captured and excuted by a military tribunal
  • Mog of War michael 2012/06/04 15:12:13
    Mog of War
    +4
    Getting small units into the land doesn't constitute invasion; instead, for it to be an invasion there has to be a sizable, active, sustained presence of enemy forces, so the takeover of the Aleutian Islands can be considered an invasion, but the scads of German spies we caught can't.
  • michael Mog of War 2012/06/04 21:50:21
    michael
    but the enemy is still the enemy even if it is a raiding party but regardless you did over look the Aleutian Islands Campaign which was a big series of battles.
  • Mog of War michael 2012/06/05 20:09:32
    Mog of War
    "...so the takeover of the Aleutian Islands can be considered an invasion..."

    I did NOT overlook the Aleutian Island Campaign. I didn't discuss it in detail because it was already brought up by you, and discussed in all necessary detail, but I mentioned the takeover of the Aleutian Islands. (The Aleutian Island Campaign was our campaign to retake them) For me to have gone more in depth would have been redundant.

    O the other point, the enemy is still the enemy regardless. Despite this being entirely true, it is simply beside the point. A raid is a raid, and an invasion is an invasion. Different things.
  • michael Mog of War 2012/06/06 01:02:38
    michael
    +2
    you are correct on your points. I should have also mentioned that the Japanese Imperal Navy "shelled" the West Coast several times by submarines --what I meaning is simply this the Japanese subs would surface then use their "deck gun"--but most of those attempts where even more pitiful that anything else. of course, just before the war ended the Japanese actaully tried using weather ballons with bombs but again those where more pitiful attempts that I think destroyed a few trees outside of Portland! I must say even though most of efforts ended in failures-but you cannot over look the countless number of ATTEMPTS hostile groups have made to destroy America that ended in failure. For example, the infamous Zimmerman Telagram before the USA entered WWl I and Plan Z ( Nazi Germany's attempt to build a huge navy to conquer Iceland and Bermuda then unlease those huge Nazi Messerschmitt Me 264 Amerika to bomb New York City. In addition, there have been several Al Qede plots against the USA but they where defeated. But thankfully due to the courage and skills of the US military NONE of those nightmares ever happened to the Good 'ole USA. The only REAL breakdowns in US defense was Pearl Harbour bombing, the Aleutian Island Campaign (both in WWll) , and 9/11/01 attacks so regradless of w...
    you are correct on your points. I should have also mentioned that the Japanese Imperal Navy "shelled" the West Coast several times by submarines --what I meaning is simply this the Japanese subs would surface then use their "deck gun"--but most of those attempts where even more pitiful that anything else. of course, just before the war ended the Japanese actaully tried using weather ballons with bombs but again those where more pitiful attempts that I think destroyed a few trees outside of Portland! I must say even though most of efforts ended in failures-but you cannot over look the countless number of ATTEMPTS hostile groups have made to destroy America that ended in failure. For example, the infamous Zimmerman Telagram before the USA entered WWl I and Plan Z ( Nazi Germany's attempt to build a huge navy to conquer Iceland and Bermuda then unlease those huge Nazi Messerschmitt Me 264 Amerika to bomb New York City. In addition, there have been several Al Qede plots against the USA but they where defeated. But thankfully due to the courage and skills of the US military NONE of those nightmares ever happened to the Good 'ole USA. The only REAL breakdowns in US defense was Pearl Harbour bombing, the Aleutian Island Campaign (both in WWll) , and 9/11/01 attacks so regradless of what people may or may not think we(USA) have been Blessed with a fine military and the FBI plus simply Good Luck, too. I am sorry of the fact I am history student- I really didn't mean to upset you in anyway. Peace.
    (more)
  • Mog of War michael 2012/06/06 01:36:33
    Mog of War
    +1
    There were tens of thousands of those balloon bombs sent. Most of them became duds, or acted like land mines once they landed. People were finding those things in Oregon, Washington, Northern California, Idaho and a few other places. Numerous American children died by them, all the human deaths from that attack happened long after the war. People still find those old bombs from time to time, but by now the explosives are no good anymore.(Thank God.)
  • michael Mog of War 2012/06/06 14:54:02
    michael
    +2
    I am afraid that only me and you know anything about those balloon bombs.
  • ronbo 2012/06/04 14:22:53
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    ronbo
    +3
    The Japanese had the sense to know a lot of Americans could and would make life miserable for them if they set foot on our soil.
  • 2468 ronbo 2012/06/04 20:48:09
    2468
    +1
    We were also very far away so that means their supply lines would be longer and more at risk.
  • ronbo 2468 2012/06/05 05:42:14
    ronbo
    +1
    For the mainland yes but they did take Attu in the Aleutian Islands before we kicked them out so technically they did land on U.S. soil.
  • michael ronbo 2012/06/06 14:56:28
    michael
    but they did step foot on our soil.............. the Aleutian Island Campaign during WWll. But just becuase people don't invade our country doesn't mean that they couldn't do real damge to our country ---look at Pearl Harbour attack and the 9/11/01 attacks those were not invasions but they still killed thousands of people on our soil.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/04 14:22:35
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    Lady Whitewolf
    +4
    Just does....
  • wolf sloan 2012/06/04 14:11:53
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    wolf sloan
    +5
    History often repeats.
  • 4570GOVT 2012/06/04 14:06:58
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    4570GOVT
    +5
    The 2nd. Amendment " protected " us from harm on MANY occasions
  • no1badboy56 2012/06/04 13:56:24
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    no1badboy56
    +1
    Actually that's not entirely true, there was the Aleutian Islands Campaign by the Japanese. That's the closest they came to a US invasion by invading a US territory. In the end, common sense would tell you why the second amendment should be protected and I have to seriously question anyone that want to have it removed.
  • izzybean 2012/06/04 13:40:26
    The Second Amendment needs to be protected because...
    izzybean
    +3
    The left doesnt understand that america is a land of truly free people who by law decide their own life. it is the only country in the world where the government is subordinate to the individual. That is why the bill of rights are called negative rights by the left, the left believes that the government should assign rights to the individual so that those rights could be modified at any time for the convenience of the government or for the greater good

See Votes by State

The map above displays the winning answer by region.

News & Politics

2013/05/25 20:31:04

Hot Questions on SodaHead
More Hot Questions

More Community More Originals