That seems more like Communism than Socialism. Most people don't know the difference between the two, which is why that traveling salesman simply labeled his bottles with "Ism".
It is not about a particular system of governance. It is about resources, and who gets to use them, and who establishes the price to get to use them.
All people want to work. Yet all jobs do not pay the same. Farmers make less, but they are the most sought after because people need food.
Then there are doctors who earn their money from the weak and ill. Doctors make more money than Farmers. Is it about the job status, or is it about the available resources? Certainly medicine costs more, and special tools are needed in Medical Care, unlike Farmers use.
So it is about resources. And the cost to get them.
Making Clean Available Energy has to be the most important job on the planet right now, yet so few people realize or care about this.
My understanding is that socialism expects us to give up our individualism all for the greater good. I don't want somebody dictating my life. I don't want special taxes on certain foods. I don't want to have to accept someone elses views because they are politically correct. I don't want someone else deciding if and when I can have, speak, act, or anything else.
That's communism. Communism wants everyone to be the same without individuality. Under communism, the government dictates everything that you do. Socialism just makes sure that nobody is having any kind of economic problems or monetary struggles, while staying out of the people's creative and social lives.
If only it worked that way. So far I find the socialist method to be a great big ball gag. Whenever anyone disagrees or has another idea our little socialists seem to throw a tantrum. The way I like to live is to mind my own business. I have a real problem with groups that demand my attention, demand that I relinquish what little I've gained and demand that I support their lifestyles. I don't really care what their social life is, I'm not going to share my money with them and I have my own creativity to tend to. Now that is what I call FREEDOM.
Well it does work that way unless a dictator takes over. And if you've gained very little, and that's stunted some of the opportunities you've had in your life, I would say that there should be a solution to helping you achieve some of the goals that you weren't able to reach. Unless you absolutely don't want to reach those goals.
Globally people do not hate Socialism, In some parts like the middle east it is considered default, France just voted in a socialist president and many other countries such as Norway, and Switzerland have always been socialist
In this country, where the corporations own the media and run the electoral system (i.e. Nader was not allowed to debate because Anhiser Bush changed a longstanding rule disqualifying him ) there has been a vast misinformation campaign to tie socialism with fascist communism, and to create an idea of individualism that is counterproductive to the majority.
They want you to think you can be a billionaire as well and lazy people are trying to stop you. They convince people that wealth is earned through individual hard work, despite the fact that the wealthy usually come from money, use all manor of public services and resources such as schools, government funded resources, roads etc. and often get breaks that if a person got they would call socialism
They also claim that then there would be nothing to work for and people would have no drive, however socialism is a floor not a ceiling everyone gets healthcare, food, shelter but hard work leads to better amenities. If everyone just settled for the minimum the majority would only work hard enough for a ...
Globally people do not hate Socialism, In some parts like the middle east it is considered default, France just voted in a socialist president and many other countries such as Norway, and Switzerland have always been socialist
In this country, where the corporations own the media and run the electoral system (i.e. Nader was not allowed to debate because Anhiser Bush changed a longstanding rule disqualifying him ) there has been a vast misinformation campaign to tie socialism with fascist communism, and to create an idea of individualism that is counterproductive to the majority.
They want you to think you can be a billionaire as well and lazy people are trying to stop you. They convince people that wealth is earned through individual hard work, despite the fact that the wealthy usually come from money, use all manor of public services and resources such as schools, government funded resources, roads etc. and often get breaks that if a person got they would call socialism
They also claim that then there would be nothing to work for and people would have no drive, however socialism is a floor not a ceiling everyone gets healthcare, food, shelter but hard work leads to better amenities. If everyone just settled for the minimum the majority would only work hard enough for a studio apartment and ramen noodles However socialism offers a greater chance at success since public education means not only the rich get a good education, and public healthcare means you don't have to settle for any job in order to see a DR.
So would most socialist systems (note socialism and communism are not the same) Sweden is as socialist, and we are capitalist since we do allow some public goods and services
"What is the incentive for a person to be productive"
To achieve better things, Socialism is a floor not a ceiling just because everyone would get food healthcare shelter etc. does not mean the majority wouldn't want to move up, if that was the case everyone would still live in their first apartment eating Ramen now
"Socialism has failed miserably every time its been tried"
No, the Nordic system has worked, and the in the middle east places like Dubai, and Saudi Arabia have flourished, even in places that it allegedly "did not work if you look it was worse for more people before. The only time it truly fails is when either fascism takes over (which Mussolini proved can happen in capitalism) or like Greece they try to combine socialisms safety net with multinational companies greed
However I have yet to see capitalism work, for the majority of people anywhere
Capitalism isn't about the majority. It is about the individual. It is the only system that rewards individual effort. Dubai and Saudi Arabia only work due to one thing, oil. Greece is a failure because of it has no productive work.
So then how do you explain the Nordic system? Ikea? Scandinavia is about more than furniture, and the middle east truly is about more than oil. Lots of crafts, foods, medicines, and ores come from that area as well.
Scandinavia is the size of Rhode Island, that explains everything why it works. The middle east has about as many prosperous people as communist russia did.
Scandinavia isn't the size of RHODE ISLAND now. Certainly not area-wise, and I wouldn't say population-wise either. And the size of the country really has nothing to do with how things work. Canada is leaning towards socialism these days too. They're a pretty big country, and they're doing very well. When I speak about the middle east, I'm speaking of the countries that have benefited from socialism: Saudi Arabia and Dubai, as well as others such as Azerbaijan. Now, Iran and Iraq and whatnot; well, that's a different story. They're communist.
This is a great starting point.
All people want to work. Yet all jobs do not pay the same. Farmers make less, but they are the most sought after because people need food.
Then there are doctors who earn their money from the weak and ill. Doctors make more money than Farmers. Is it about the job status, or is it about the available resources? Certainly medicine costs more, and special tools are needed in Medical Care, unlike Farmers use.
So it is about resources. And the cost to get them.
Making Clean Available Energy has to be the most important job on the planet right now, yet so few people realize or care about this.
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In this country, where the corporations own the media and run the electoral system (i.e. Nader was not allowed to debate because Anhiser Bush changed a longstanding rule disqualifying him ) there has been a vast misinformation campaign to tie socialism with fascist communism, and to create an idea of individualism that is counterproductive to the majority.
They want you to think you can be a billionaire as well and lazy people are trying to stop you. They convince people that wealth is earned through individual hard work, despite the fact that the wealthy usually come from money, use all manor of public services and resources such as schools, government funded resources, roads etc. and often get breaks that if a person got they would call socialism
They also claim that then there would be nothing to work for and people would have no drive, however socialism is a floor not a ceiling everyone gets healthcare, food, shelter but hard work leads to better amenities. If everyone just settled for the minimum the majority would only work hard enough for a ...
In this country, where the corporations own the media and run the electoral system (i.e. Nader was not allowed to debate because Anhiser Bush changed a longstanding rule disqualifying him ) there has been a vast misinformation campaign to tie socialism with fascist communism, and to create an idea of individualism that is counterproductive to the majority.
They want you to think you can be a billionaire as well and lazy people are trying to stop you. They convince people that wealth is earned through individual hard work, despite the fact that the wealthy usually come from money, use all manor of public services and resources such as schools, government funded resources, roads etc. and often get breaks that if a person got they would call socialism
They also claim that then there would be nothing to work for and people would have no drive, however socialism is a floor not a ceiling everyone gets healthcare, food, shelter but hard work leads to better amenities. If everyone just settled for the minimum the majority would only work hard enough for a studio apartment and ramen noodles However socialism offers a greater chance at success since public education means not only the rich get a good education, and public healthcare means you don't have to settle for any job in order to see a DR.
To achieve better things, Socialism is a floor not a ceiling just because everyone would get food healthcare shelter etc. does not mean the majority wouldn't want to move up, if that was the case everyone would still live in their first apartment eating Ramen now
"Socialism has failed miserably every time its been tried"
No, the Nordic system has worked, and the in the middle east places like Dubai, and Saudi Arabia have flourished, even in places that it allegedly "did not work if you look it was worse for more people before. The only time it truly fails is when either fascism takes over (which Mussolini proved can happen in capitalism) or like Greece they try to combine socialisms safety net with multinational companies greed
However I have yet to see capitalism work, for the majority of people anywhere