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Why is it that, when one communicates a disagreement with one or more of President Obama's policies, some Obama supporters feel the need to immediately label you a racist?

Noneoftheabove 2009/03/02 02:19:24
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  • Subchop 2009/05/25 01:34:25
    They can't support his positions so calling you a racist gets them off the hook.
    Subchop
    Calling those who disagree "racist" is a way to deflect attention from policy and action whose sole purpose is to destroy this country from the inside
  • rantingAmerican.com 2009/03/02 14:23:01
    They can't support his positions so calling you a racist gets them off the hook.
    rantingAmerican.com
    +1
    They just say Oh so your for poor people dying in the streets or your a racist or my personal favorite your just greedy! Thats an outrage. How often do people just starve and die in the streets. If we are going to pay off there mortages they obviously arent in the streets even though they should be after taking loans they knew they couldnt pay. They need health care... Well I was under the impression health care already was provided through welfare so no on should be dying in the streets unless they havent lived up to the expectations of even welfare and if thats the case why should i help them if they obviously havent tried to help themselves.
  • The Gov... ranting... 2009/03/02 14:38:49
    The Gov-Here to help BN362
    Have you ever gone to a county facility for health care... people die in the waiting rooms they are so crowded...
    It costs me over 350$ a month for me and my children under private insurance they use it for CHECK UPS and PHYSICALS... ( my work does not offer healthcare..)
    I am not a liberal but the government needs to do something about the corruptness of our healthcare system since they are the ones who made it this way... IE: Nixon, since he was part of the whole idea to have insurance companies be a monopoly and corrupt... such as finding anyway possible to deny claims...and you can check that if you like...
    I don't agree with government run healthcare because they would be run just like any other government program.. SH**! But you can't have an educated opinion on it since you haven't experienced both sides can you? If you did have experience with it you would understand... It would be like me agreeing that people who make over 250,000 a year should have to pay higher taxes... I don't know how that side lives and what all their responsibilities to taxes are because I don't have to experience it.
    I agree that we shouldn't help people that don't help themselves... But there has to be a better way for families to afford healthcare that we don't even use to the fullest extent... I don't think your greedy or racist but I do think your opinions are uneducated thoughts on how the world is..
  • ranting... The Gov... 2009/03/02 15:01:26 (edited)
    rantingAmerican.com
    +1
    I do not have a problem with fixing the healthcare system. I currently have no insurance I have a child i take care of and when he gets sick it comes out of pocket. I at one point had great health care that i paid into but when i lost my job i could no longer afford it. I got a new job and i'm waiting for my mediocre benefits to kick in after the year waiting period I agree it is a very messed up situation but i dont think that giving everyone health care will lessen the lines in the emergency rooms. I used to be able to squander money on whatever luxury i wanted now I sometimes fight to make from pay check to pay check. I've seen facilities like the one your speaking of I've been to ones like the ones you speak of where the drs rush you along because they have a waiting room full of people that arent going anywhere unless they are being rerouted to the morgue. To say im uneducated in the ways of the world is wrong for you to say, I have worked for everything i got- I've been down and out and picked myself up again and again and again only to try again. How am I going to fair once my taxes go up? Is that greedy that im more worried about making sure that I can continue to survive than i am worried about someone else paying their mortage? Granted if I am late on my bills I'm not goi...'
    I do not have a problem with fixing the healthcare system. I currently have no insurance I have a child i take care of and when he gets sick it comes out of pocket. I at one point had great health care that i paid into but when i lost my job i could no longer afford it. I got a new job and i'm waiting for my mediocre benefits to kick in after the year waiting period I agree it is a very messed up situation but i dont think that giving everyone health care will lessen the lines in the emergency rooms. I used to be able to squander money on whatever luxury i wanted now I sometimes fight to make from pay check to pay check. I've seen facilities like the one your speaking of I've been to ones like the ones you speak of where the drs rush you along because they have a waiting room full of people that arent going anywhere unless they are being rerouted to the morgue. To say im uneducated in the ways of the world is wrong for you to say, I have worked for everything i got- I've been down and out and picked myself up again and again and again only to try again. How am I going to fair once my taxes go up? Is that greedy that im more worried about making sure that I can continue to survive than i am worried about someone else paying their mortage? Granted if I am late on my bills I'm not going to die- but why should i put myself in rougher times just to let people breath easy or relax when i dont even get that privilidge? You can say they arent going to raise taxes on me but they will- The stimlus package, the budget for the year- the omnibus package all these things cant come from the richest percent of people. I am all for reform but im not all for handouts. I dont want my child growing up thinking its ok for him to get takin care of by the government. I want my child to grow up knowing the pride you get from fullfilling your responsibilities by yourself (if you cant do that and you need a little temporary assistance thats fine with me I'm not saying we should do away with welfare and other programs I think they need reformed alittle too) There are better ways to do it agreed but they arent what this administration is doing.
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  • The Gov... ranting... 2009/03/02 15:41:12
    The Gov-Here to help BN362
    I agree with you.. But I don't feel the last adminstration did anything either... as a matter of fact I have been interested in politics since I was about 14 since the Iran-contra scandal... " I can't recall"... and it seems no-body has ever tried to fix any of this until it has become so large it threatens to destroy our country... In the 80s it was about living good... in the 90s we went to "war" and went into recession pulled out of that, lived great for awhile and here we are again... It seems to be a cycle of living good and shirking our responsibilities and caring only about ourselves and when it comes time for us to pay for them we bitch and moan about how horrible it is ... I say screw the greedy mortgage companies and the greedy health insurance companies who are part of the problem... No, I don't feel that we should pay for some loser who over-extended his credit... But say it were you and you children being threatened with being homeless... through no fault of your own because they went from 1,500 mortgage to a 3,000 mortgage per month and you weren't attempting to live beyond your means... you were lied to by some greedy mortgage company who thought they were slick and that the bottom would never fall out from under them.. Should you and your children be homeless through n..."'"'""'"'"'''
    I agree with you.. But I don't feel the last adminstration did anything either... as a matter of fact I have been interested in politics since I was about 14 since the Iran-contra scandal... " I can't recall"... and it seems no-body has ever tried to fix any of this until it has become so large it threatens to destroy our country... In the 80s it was about living good... in the 90s we went to "war" and went into recession pulled out of that, lived great for awhile and here we are again... It seems to be a cycle of living good and shirking our responsibilities and caring only about ourselves and when it comes time for us to pay for them we bitch and moan about how horrible it is ... I say screw the greedy mortgage companies and the greedy health insurance companies who are part of the problem... No, I don't feel that we should pay for some loser who over-extended his credit... But say it were you and you children being threatened with being homeless... through no fault of your own because they went from 1,500 mortgage to a 3,000 mortgage per month and you weren't attempting to live beyond your means... you were lied to by some greedy mortgage company who thought they were slick and that the bottom would never fall out from under them.. Should you and your children be homeless through no fault of your own? And I never said you were uneducated in the ways of the world... That may be what you read in your head but that is not what I typed... and nobody should live off hand-outs... It encourages a lack of pride and self-worth... and you stated that "you were under the impression that health care was already provided through welfare so no one should be dying in the streets unless they haven't been living up to the expectations of even welfare" you seem to think that the rules for welfare are as easy as pie... I have never been on welfare but when I was young I became homeless at 8 months of pregnancy... I obviously couldn't work... so I applied for temporary food stamps and welfare... I was denied... "the social worker told me.." You're white obviously someone can take care of you" My first reaction was anger because if someone could take care of me I sure as hell wouldn't have been there in the first place... But it made me say "fu** it, why bother and I slept on couches until I was recovered and could go back to work... But I don't think that it is easy to recieve welfare or stay eligible for it... The problem lis with the social workers being thorough in their assessments and check-ups... It is the whole something for nothing ideaology that every one seems to protest but on the other hand they do the same thing... Rich, Poor, White, Black, everyone wants to have their cake and eat it to... maybe if we weren't so begrudging in sharing that cake once in a while our country wouldn't be in the mess it is in...
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  • The Gov... The Gov... 2009/03/02 16:00:36
    The Gov-Here to help BN362
    Oh and one point to back up my cake theory.... if the Indians hadn't helped us out our first winter in this country we wouldn't be a country today... right? That is what I mean by sharing the cake...
  • ranting... The Gov... 2009/03/02 16:03:55
    rantingAmerican.com
    +1
    Everyones seen it as if it isnt broke dont fix it and its that toaster that even though 4 of the filaments are broke 2 still work- makes for some pretty crappy toast but still technically works. I think if the mortage company changed the price or if you lost your job in the recession than yea you could use alittle help but there were plenty of people that are getting bailed out just for making the bad decisions they did. I feel sorry that you were denied but i know plenty of people that dont make enough to get insurance that get insurance for their chilren and like the bare bare minimal for themselves through welfare. I know other people that abuse the system work under the table and make a good wage and still manage to get a mediocre insurance through the government for free (those people piss me off). There are alot of people i have met that find it is hilarious to abuse the system like they are and i know other people that are ashamed that they need the assistance but its all they can do for now to get by. I hate to sound like i advocate punishing everyone for the people that abuse the system but i think something has to be done because even if a minority of people are abusing that is still alot of unnecessary money coming out of my pocket (i'd say millions of dollars go to ...''""'"'"'
    Everyones seen it as if it isnt broke dont fix it and its that toaster that even though 4 of the filaments are broke 2 still work- makes for some pretty crappy toast but still technically works. I think if the mortage company changed the price or if you lost your job in the recession than yea you could use alittle help but there were plenty of people that are getting bailed out just for making the bad decisions they did. I feel sorry that you were denied but i know plenty of people that dont make enough to get insurance that get insurance for their chilren and like the bare bare minimal for themselves through welfare. I know other people that abuse the system work under the table and make a good wage and still manage to get a mediocre insurance through the government for free (those people piss me off). There are alot of people i have met that find it is hilarious to abuse the system like they are and i know other people that are ashamed that they need the assistance but its all they can do for now to get by. I hate to sound like i advocate punishing everyone for the people that abuse the system but i think something has to be done because even if a minority of people are abusing that is still alot of unnecessary money coming out of my pocket (i'd say millions of dollars go to people abusing welfare, unemployment, and other programs designed for temporary assistance.) I have no problem sharing my cake when i can. I volunteer at my community centers several churches and several private orgs that do like the canned food drives and things of that nature but i do it out of the kindness of my heart and i know the people getting my charity are not people abusing the system. I've seen the look on the peoples face when the recieve their boxs of canned food some people have this greatful look even though you can tell they are hiding their feeling of being slightly ashamed. They are greatful for the help they recieve. I've never heard any of them say "well ya know i dont really like canned beats could i trade it for those carrots in that box"? People like me have lost confidence in the system. you say it needs reform so do i but i just dont think putting money into a failing project is a great idea. Lets use welfare for an example. I pay 1 dollar towards welfare but instead of of the dollar going to theie health care and food stamps and EBt card they get 13 cents, 52 cents is split between the teller at the welfare office, rent for the space, and the human service people that work there. then the other 35 cents is split up between road projects and other things that arent in direct relation to that person. When i donate a can of food to the food drive they sponsors dont take a serving out for themselves before they give the needy. you make alot of valid considerable points and thank you for talking with me as civily as you did. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding I took " I don't think your greedy or racist but I do think your opinions are uneducated thoughts on how the world is.. " to be a personal statement direct at myself becasue of my views and after your explanation i understand what you meant so again i apologize for the misunderstanding. I really do appreciate the time you took to talk with me about this. I can't account for everyones personal expirences so hearing what i did of yours puts me in a better understanding of where your coming from with your opinion. Thank you and have a great week if you dont respond to this message
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  • The Gov... ranting... 2009/03/02 20:30:26
    The Gov-Here to help BN362
    Well said.. If I had the patience to type that much and not lose my train of thought while doing it that is exactly what I would have said. Thank you for a great conversation.. It is appreciated.
  • ranting... The Gov... 2009/03/02 20:36:00 (edited)
    rantingAmerican.com
    +1
    haha Thank you, i did earn the ranting title amongst my friends and coworkers so i dont usually stay on track but sometimes i manage to hit some coherant and powerful points along the way. I hope to have a discussion with you again sometime.
  • ranting... The Gov... 2009/03/02 20:39:05 (edited)
    rantingAmerican.com
    +1
    oh and in response to the indian statement did you know that while grant was giving the first army secured voting rights to african americans he was shipping native americans off to reeducation camps. Our country says come here we aren't going to repress your culture or religion meanwhile we almost wiped out the entire culture that was here and we continued to do it until the 1940's incorrectly and a little better til the 80's. Can we talk about hypocracy?
  • The Gov... ranting... 2009/03/02 20:45:22
    The Gov-Here to help BN362
    Yeah I know, that is the one thing I eternally have a problem with... It makes me angry to think how people just can't leave anyone be... "DO IT OUR WAY OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES" no wonder everybody hates us...
  • The Gov-Here to help BN362 2009/03/02 14:20:11
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    The Gov-Here to help BN362
    Get over it if your a racist, your a racist... don't blame Liberals for your small minded-ness... And from what I see most of you will claim that some liberal is accusing you of racism... but then on another post I see many of you using the "n" word freely... so not only do I think that many of you are racist, but you are hypocrites as well... and I am not a liberal nor do I have to be... Anyone with common sense can clearly see your underlying racism and bigotry...
  • ranting... The Gov... 2009/03/02 14:26:15 (edited)
    rantingAmerican.com
    +1
    I never use the "N" word on a string. I believe that we are more than able to present our ideas without being ignorant to other people. I have been called a racist several times on here and I have never made a racist comment outside of the White house watermelon lawn question and at that it wasnt a ignorant racist comment. It's a sterotype. and anyone that is using common sense isnt liberal (haha)
  • The Gov... ranting... 2009/03/02 15:46:19 (edited)
    The Gov-Here to help BN362
    I have never even said that word in my life.... I think it is one of the worst words in the english language... I cannot say if any one political party has common sense... I am neither... but I have definitely noticed that common sense goes out the window in alot of these polls on here.. lol. Oh and that post wasn't directed at you... that was just my original answer.. I apologize if you mistakenly thought it was..
  • ranting... The Gov... 2009/03/02 16:12:39
    rantingAmerican.com
    Its ok. I know I was just making a joke about the common sense thing I figured i'd get a bunch of people angry saying it but i put the laugh in there so people would know i was just trying to be funny poke a littel fun at something without trying to offend anyone.
  • Noneoft... The Gov... 2009/03/02 20:43:50
    Noneoftheabove
    +1
    Does that mean that if you disagree with President Obama...you must be small minded...therefore you are a racist.

    Interesting.
  • The Gov... Noneoft... 2009/03/02 20:58:58
    The Gov-Here to help BN362
    hmmmmmm... I find it interesting that you were able to take my words and twist them so much that you came out with that assumption... Does your mind always do that? I don't believe that I said all were racist did I? Which is what you would have to be for me in this instance to consider you small minded... If you are racist then yes, I think you are small-minded.. I don't think I said if you don't agree with president obama that you are... but if that's what you wish to believe I said, that is fine wih me... I don't particularly care.
  • Noneoft... The Gov... 2009/03/02 21:21:31
    Noneoftheabove
    I'm just applying logic. If a implies b and b implies c, then a implies c.
  • The Gov... Noneoft... 2009/03/02 23:18:30 (edited)
    The Gov-Here to help BN362
    No, you are assuming... and I clearly stated that if you are racist you are small-minded... I personally don't care whether you support obama or not.. A logical person would read the whole statement.. not just what they wanted to see... If I meant you are small-minded by not supporting obama than that's exactly what I would have said...
  • vogwawoman 2009/03/02 05:27:21 (edited)
    None of the above
    vogwawoman
    It's their ace in the hole when they can't win the argument. With some blacks and some whites on SH, you don't even have to be debating anything.
  • bls 2009/03/02 03:42:26
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    bls
    We're supposed to feel guilty. They can't just agree to disagree without calling you names. They think it's gonna help them take control over this country and make us like it. Actually, it's getting people fired up and talking about armed revolution instead. They need to just shut up
  • flaca BN-0 2009/03/02 02:44:12
    None of the above
    flaca BN-0
    I don't think in terms of racism. I just wish they could come up with something better than him.
  • white race 2009/03/02 02:32:51 (edited)
    They can't support his positions so calling you a racist gets them off the hook.
    white race
  • The Gov... white race 2009/03/02 14:09:11 (edited)
    The Gov-Here to help BN362
    Because you are a racist... Don't try to hide your racism behind a liberals paranoia of you being a racist... I read your post on the "Obama's trying to sell us out to the chinese".... You know the only thing worse than a racist is someone who isn't even man enough to admit it... pussy. Here is your post....

    Reply
    -1 raves [-] white race replied to itsme-a... posted 11 hours ago
    go fuck yourself nigger



    So I guess in your case they are right .... lol.
  • ranting... The Gov... 2009/03/02 14:27:48
    rantingAmerican.com
    +1
    HAHA NOW there is a person who not only can say her 2 cents but can provide evidence! See thats the good shit right there :) haha
  • The Gov... ranting... 2009/03/02 15:47:52
  • white race The Gov... 2009/03/02 16:48:35
    white race
    im not racisits the asshole i was talking to was i could give a fuck about you or the chinese all you fucking people know how to do is talk shit about every one .and yes obama is a fucking fake weather you like it or not .he needs to be terminated.and as far as you,you have no idea who i am or what i do ,or what im capable of doing,anybody can be gotten to,thats what i do so if i were you id watch what i say to people you don't know http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uB-...
  • The Gov... white race 2009/03/02 20:31:51 (edited)
    The Gov-Here to help BN362
    uh huh.. are you threatening me... I am extremely intimidated... lol. I see you erased your post what's wrong... decide it was offensive? I don't talk shit dear I just state facts...
  • white race The Gov... 2009/03/02 21:00:34 (edited)
  • white race white race 2009/03/02 21:03:36 (edited)
  • Lou 2009/03/02 02:30:45
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    Lou
    +1
    I support Obama, but never refer to anybody who disagrees with him as a racist, unless they make some kind of racist remarks about him.
  • kdawg0909 2009/03/02 02:30:34
    They can't support his positions so calling you a racist gets them off the hook.
    kdawg0909
    Thank you. I 100% agree, and for all the obama supporters I'm not racist I'm conservative. If condolesa rice had run I would have supported her.
  • bls kdawg0909 2009/03/02 03:47:01
    bls
    George Bush had more black cabinet members than Obama. This name calling garbage is starting to come back and slap them in their faces
  • Dammit Yammit 2009/03/02 02:28:20
    Undecided
    Dammit Yammit
    Cant answer why.You need to go ask them the person calling you a racist.
  • Noneoft... Dammit ... 2009/03/02 02:30:43
    Noneoftheabove
    +1
    I did. Only, when I advised them that I have two African-American and two mixed race grandchildren...they disappeared. My question is asked in general as I am not the only one who has experienced this on Sodahead.
  • Dammit ... Noneoft... 2009/03/02 02:38:53
    Dammit Yammit
    +1
    I dont understand why people do that.I too have bi racial relatives.I guess they only know how too show us how smart they are with ignorance.
  • bls Noneoft... 2009/03/02 03:45:25
    bls
    they are cowards. This argument is so old and tired. It is crystal clear that white people voted for Obama - he couldn't have won without them. This in itself should put the word "rascism" out of commission. Why these losers want to keep calling people names, like "racist" is a sign of their ignorance

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