Why do you believe your vote makes a difference?

by T A Posted 2012/07/15 19:43:53

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	Even though Obama can only be president four more years he can always be trusted to do what is right
	Nobody else would be better and we can't choose not to have a president
	Obamacare is more important
	I support all or most of these things
	Other (please leave a comment)
	All of the above
	None of the above (Please leave a comment)

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Why do you believe your vote makes a difference?

I'm genuinely curious why those who support Obama seem to overlook what he's actually done in office as he has been to expand on the list of grievances they had with the Bush administration:

Excerpted from http://stpeteforpeace.org/obama.html :

Among other things, since taking office Obama has:
- Signed the NDAA into law -- assassinating US citizens w/o trial now legal
- Personally oversaw a 'Secret Kill List'
- Waged war on Libya without congressional approval
- Started a covert, drone war in Yemen
- Escalated the proxy war in Somalia
- Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan
- Will maintain a presence in Iraq even after "ending" war
- Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan
- Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries
- Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia
- Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia
- Opened a military base in Chile
- Touted nuclear power, even after the disaster in Japan
- Opened up deepwater oil drilling, even after the BP disaster
- Did a TV commercial promoting "clean coal"
- Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports
- Signed the Patriot Act extension into law
- Deported a modern-record 1.5 million immigrants
- Continued Bush's rendition program

What is it that causes you to overlook or minimize these issues with regard to Obama (assuming you had these problems with the Bush administration)?

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/08/oh-my-majorities-of-lib...

Please let me know if/how the poll questions should be redone. I was trying to be fair but my anti-government bias is no doubt present.

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Cal 2012/07/15 20:35:03

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because we can't afford 4 more years of Obama.

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T A to Cal 2012/07/15 20:43:39

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Is he going to get rid of NDAA, Gitmo, Patriot Acts 1&2, corporate subsidies, welfare, social security, medicare, Obamacare, end US foreign aggression, the TSA, DoEd., the 16,000 new IRS employees, FDA, etc. Because if not...what's the difference?

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Cal to T A 2012/07/15 20:53:17

Maybe. The difference is he might do these things, and Obama will not do these things. You can vote for the same old song and dance and allow America to continue to sink.....or you can take a gamble with someone new. The defining difference is...he's not Obama.

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T A to Cal 2012/07/15 21:28:43 (edited)

I honestly believe that no politician will do these things. Moreover, even if they wanted to, they could not. What will end up happening is that they will continue to deficit spend the nation into oblivion, lining their pockets and the pockets of their sponsors on the (false) promise that the successive generations will work to pay it off, which is, of course, impossible. Even if they got rid of everything, they couldn't pay it off.

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Skylaris Alanis 2012/07/15 19:50:41

None of the above

+1
yay 5 points..

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T A to Skylari... 2012/07/15 20:18:08

+1
Have a rave as well. ;0)

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Skylari... to T A 2012/07/15 20:22:19

+1
why thanks :D

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T A to Skylari... 2012/07/15 20:30:14

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Certainly. :0)

I know you can't vote (and I think that you should be able to so long as it exists), but if you could, would you vote and if so would it be for Obama or Romney or a third party candidate?

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Skylari... to T A 2012/07/15 20:41:52

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Obama (: sorry if you disagree with that.

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T A to Skylari... 2012/07/15 20:48:42 (edited)

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The number of people that agree with my view on SH or RL are minimal at best so it's of no concern. I'm a free-market anarchist (Voultarist). In my opinion all government is immoral because it relies on force to make non-violent people do things they otherwise would not, whether it's financially support aggression against foreign countries or financially support those others believe they should support (welfarism). Voluntary interactions are the only moral way to order a society. Government is the opposite of voluntary.

The question was geared toward helping me understand why people who were against what occurred under the Bush administration considered important enough to overlook those very things continuing under the Obama administration that they would support it. Getting an answer to that question has been exceedingly difficult.

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Skylari... to T A 2012/07/15 20:50:48

+1
that's a very unique and interesting viewpoint.

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T A to Skylari... 2012/07/15 21:12:21

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If you're interested...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

It's a bit silly (but so are most people's views about anarchism) but I think she makes the case quite well.

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