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Why do the majority of Americans who oppose universal healthcare for US citizens has no problem paying for Israel's socialized healthcare

Feck Sodahed 2009/07/19 22:04:42
I don't mind being the Nanny to Israel with our taxes because they're the chosen people.
This is so fecked up!  I'm outraged!
I didn't know that.
I support Israel's citizens, but I do not support American citizens.
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Israel has one of the world's best health care systems. It covers almost 95 % of its population of Jews and non-Jews. [Palestinians excluded] Compared to this the US too has a state of the art medical system, however, it fails to cover most of its citizens with health care insurances. Only one in every six Americans is covered under a health care insurance plan.

The US is one of the highest spenders in the world on health care. It spent a mind boggling $2.26 trillion on health care in 2007. This accounts to almost 16% of the GDP and works out to $7400 per American citizen. In comparison, the Israeli government spent only 8 % of its GDP which works out to about $ 2000 per Israeli citizen.

The Israeli health care system is run by the government with the assistance of four Health Maintenance Organizations. Each Israeli citizen must register and become a member of one of these organizations. The competition only exists between these four Health Maintenance Organizations who try to attract citizens with better medical benefits. But the Ministry of Health also sets a guideline each year for these organizations by providing a list of medical treatments and services that each has to provide to its members. This makes it possible to keep all four organizations at the same level and providing similar benefits to their members. Mostly people tend to change their membership based on the availability of a certain organization in their location.

http://freeze-il.net/compared-to-us.php

U.S. Financial Aid To Israel:
Figures, Facts, and Impact

Your tax dollars sent to Israel:
U.S. Aid to Israel 1948-Present
$105.600,857,600

Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200


Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630
Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Cost per Israeli
$23,240
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  • 519378 2009/07/20 01:51:35
    This is so fecked up! I'm outraged!
    519378
    +13
    Double Standards.
    Pay for foreigners, but not for Americans.

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  • VICTORIA 2009/07/19 23:28:01
    This is so fecked up! I'm outraged!
    VICTORIA
    +6
    The most conservative estimate- 17 years ago- from 1992-
    is 300 billion since 1948

    from the report by Stephen Zunes, a known Pro-Israeli supporter.

    That figure is hidden in the article- I don;t know why they put 105 billion at the top as the total, when the article itself comes to a different conclusion, also excluding many factors like 'pre-forgiven loans' another way of saying- just moneies given.
    Nor does it count outright weapons given-
    nor charity from US based Pro-Israeli groups-


    http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_...
  • Feck So... VICTORIA 2009/07/19 23:34:12 (edited)
    Feck Sodahed
    +5
    Here's a report from a Harvard economist who puts the amount at $3 Trillion.
    http://wgns.net/ICR/Library/P...
  • VICTORIA Feck So... 2009/07/20 01:52:48
    VICTORIA
    +3
    Thank you! Stauffer! That is the name I was trying to remember!
  • Eliz 2009/07/19 22:43:13
    I didn't know that.
    Eliz
    +7
    That's pretty fucked up
  • Feck So... Eliz 2009/07/19 22:44:20
    Feck Sodahed
    +4
    Yes it is!
  • Janster Eliz 2009/08/07 17:16:35 (edited)
    Janster
    +1
    The Czar conveniently neglected to include in his so-called info that these figures are over a 60 year period with an average cost per Israeli at $380. Typical liberal that didn't provide complete facts.You don't want universal healthcare if your Congressman and Senators aren't willing to accept the same program. They have opted out of it for themselves. Wonder why?
  • NPC Janster 2009/08/07 17:29:02
    NPC
    +1
    How many impostors or sock puppets are responding to this bullshit ?
  • Janster NPC 2009/08/07 17:35:41
    Janster
    Looks like quite a few.
  • Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥ 2009/07/19 22:39:03
    None of the above. Please leave comment.
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    +2
    Our financial aid is primarily millitary, not health-related.

    I am against foreign aid to "nations that do not particularly like us."
  • Feck So... Dave Sa... 2009/07/19 22:43:54
    Feck Sodahed
    +7
    Well our financial aid goes to a number of things. So if we didn't give them $3 billion a year they would have to foot their own military bill...and then they might not have the luxury of offering socialized healthcare to all Israelis.
  • Dave Sa... Feck So... 2009/07/19 22:46:40
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    +4
    Well, we pay taxes in this country and don't get to choose which efforts it goes to.
  • Feck So... Dave Sa... 2009/07/19 22:49:13
    Feck Sodahed
    +6
    True. I certainly wouldn't approve of mine going to support Israel or the Iraq war if I had a choice.

    But maybe if those who oppose the US having "socialized" healthcare used Israel as an example instead of Canada...maybe they'd be all for it.
  • Dave Sa... Feck So... 2009/07/19 22:52:10
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    +1
    How about the abortions we are paying for in Mexico?

    Why do you think healthcare is so good in Israel?
  • Feck So... Dave Sa... 2009/07/19 22:59:40
    Feck Sodahed
    +4
    I support birth control in Mexico. Under Bush...we stopped funding birth control because they had a choice of abortion like any democratic nation. So let's see. People are outraged because Mexicans are coming here illegally and bring their families... but it's wrong for us to give them birth control so they can plan their families and only have one or two kids instead of 10?

    Israel's healthcare is rated higher than the healthcare in Canada.
  • Dave Sa... Feck So... 2009/07/19 23:01:09
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    +2
    Shouldn't Mexico take care of their own?
  • Feck So... Dave Sa... 2009/07/19 23:06:40
    Feck Sodahed
    +6
    Sure they should. But since it is US policy to piss our money away on everyone except our own...why discriminate against the Mexicans?
  • beachbum Feck So... 2009/07/20 00:26:25
    beachbum
    +3
    Isn't pregnacy preventable? Why isn't the Mexican government addressing that issue?
  • Feck So... beachbum 2009/07/20 00:30:37
    Feck Sodahed
    +5
    The Mexico City Policy was yanked by Bush which cut off ALL funding for medical services, birth control, HIV prevention and other care because abortion was an option. Obama restored the Mexico City Policy....so the issue is now being addressed.
  • beachbum Feck So... 2009/07/20 00:53:00 (edited)
    beachbum
    +1
    I will take your word for it on the Mexico City thing. All I know is that I resent MY $ being spent overseas/wherever for something that is preventable. That, is of course, just a general statement. I am not so cold as to know there are heart-wrenching circumstances that come up in life. I'm talking about people who use abortion as a form of birth control.
  • Feck So... beachbum 2009/07/20 00:56:48
    Feck Sodahed
    +6
    Very few people use abortion as birth control. The key is to educate people and give them access to contraceptives. I don't mind if we give aid to third world countries to prevent AIDS and unwanted pregnancy. It bothers me that people have no access and have to live like this
    aid world countries prevent aids pregnancy bothers people access live
  • beachbum Feck So... 2009/07/20 01:24:36 (edited)
    beachbum
    +3
    As I said, I'm not heartless. Unfortunately, so often, these people live in countries with dictators who do not give a rip about their own people - $, supplies, food, medicine, everything needed to save them, goes into the pockets of the ruling elite. That's what is really sad, and that sort of thing makes me really angry.
    BTW, I sponsor a child who lives in Africa thru a Christian organization. At least I've been able to help 1 family.
  • Janster Feck So... 2009/08/07 17:21:19
    Janster
    Bush gave a great deal of money to African children who looked like this but no one gave him credit for it.
  • Patti ... beachbum 2009/07/22 10:57:13
    Patti  The Yes Fan
    +2
    AMEN. Abortion is NOT birth control.
  • Janster Feck So... 2009/08/07 17:20:04
    Janster
    Good ol' Obozo giving our money away for babies to be murdered . . . what a guy !!
  • Nemo 2009/07/19 22:34:25 (edited)
    None of the above. Please leave comment.
    Nemo
    +7
    Hmmm!

    1. Because we are still suffering guilt letting them get slaughtered during WW2 and they are making sure we don't forget it.

    2. Just about our entire congress is in their pockets.

    3. They have bought off the Evangelical preachers in the last 30 or so years, so the right wing Christian nuts are convinced we must act like Jesus and allow them to sacrifice us.

    4. Because we are a bunch of real dumb asses.

    5. All of the above.

    Heck I don't know, you choose one.
  • Janster Nemo 2009/08/07 17:22:15
    Janster
    The Czar neglected to include in his so-called info that these figures are over a 60 year period with an average cost per Israeli at $380. Typical liberal that didn't provide complete facts.You don't want universal healthcare if your Congressman and Senators aren't willing to accept the same program. They have opted out of it for themselves. Wonder why?
  • Colbert 2009/07/19 22:26:35
    I support Israel's citizens, but I do not support American citizens.
    Colbert
    +6
    This is why. I don't agree with the answer, but that is why.
  • Feck So... Colbert 2009/07/19 22:28:55
    Feck Sodahed
    +5
    So you don''t mind that our tax dollars help pay for all Israelis to have healthcare...but you don't support our tax dollars going to pay for our 47 million plus uninsured?
  • Colbert Feck So... 2009/07/19 22:30:42
    Colbert
    +7
    What? I totally mind. I wasn't choosing my choice, I was choosing the right one.
  • Feck So... Colbert 2009/07/19 22:33:29
    Feck Sodahed
    +5
    Oh...you mean you DO support Israel's citizens with your tax money...but currently your tax money doesn't support healthcare for Americans? You confused me LOL!
  • Colbert Feck So... 2009/07/19 22:40:09
    Colbert
    +6
    I don't support any tax dollars going to Israel, and I do support American tax dollars going to support the 45 million uninsured Americans. I am merely pointing out why Retardlicans don't agree.
  • Feck So... Colbert 2009/07/19 22:45:57
    Feck Sodahed
    +6
    Ahhh. I get it now! Thanks!
  • Colbert Feck So... 2009/07/19 22:47:04
    Colbert
    +4
    No problem. Thanks for asking about it instead of blocking me :)
  • Nemo Colbert 2009/07/20 01:35:03
    Nemo
    +6
    She doesn't do that!

    She is cool!
  • Colbert Nemo 2009/07/20 02:15:22
    Colbert
    +3
    I know that now. Sometimes I get blocked by people whom I agree with, but they take my sarcasm the wrong way or think I'm actually pro-idiots.
  • Nemo Colbert 2009/07/20 12:17:42
    Nemo
    +4
    You are not!!!!!
  • Janster Nemo 2009/08/07 17:24:08
    Janster
    Yes he is.
  • Lurch Colbert 2009/07/22 21:27:52 (edited)
    Lurch


    There, consider yerself blocked.

    ;)
  • Colbert Lurch 2009/07/22 22:09:02
  • Lurch Colbert 2009/07/24 02:51:08 (edited)
    Lurch
    Don't blame me...

    blame

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