Quantcast

Why do people think they know more than the jury?

Drachen 2011/07/08 19:41:11
Just a simple question, of course this is regarding the Casey Anthony trial, and the O.J. Simpson trial, and all similar trials.

It just bothers me that people are cursing the jury and saying they are murders, when truly they are just going by the facts. There was not enough evidence to convict her. They even wanted to convict her, but couldn't. They are thinking with their rational mind, not their emotions, as many people are...
You!
Add Photos & Videos

Top Opinion

  • Auntie M 2011/07/08 19:54:02
    Auntie M
    +6
    Most of them have never been on a jury, or perhaps they don't know that you are not supposed to vote to convict unless the crime was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe they would have voted to convict regardless of the evidence (or lack thereof) just because they "thought" she was guilty, but that is against the rules/law.

Sort By
  • Most Raves
  • Least Raves
  • Oldest
  • Newest
Opinions

  • abbody11 2011/08/22 07:35:57
    abbody11
    i have not any idea
  • davidl 2011/07/11 05:22:42
    davidl
    The jury hears 100% of the testimony that the judge rules they are allowed to hear. Those of us who have served as jurists know that we are qualified more than anybody to sift through the BS. We also have to do things that we feel aren't right, but the judge tells us that the law requires us to handle things a certain way.

    Granted some jurists are morons, or couldn't support the death penalty, even if the defendant was Hitler, but if the lawyers & judge do their duty and perform their functions well, then everybody gets it. (Only exception is the infamous OJ jury)
  • Ken 2011/07/10 06:14:04
    Ken
    I haven't heard anyone say that the jurors are murders, have you?
    Why do people think they know more than the jury? They don't think they know more, but they do know just as much - the whole damned trial has been televised and rerun, over and over, so everyone knows the evidence the jury had to consider.

    Here are facts that are uncontroverted that point to Casey Anthony's guilt of manslaughter, at the very least, and there is no innocent explanation for any one of them:
    !. She was the mother of the little girl, Caylee, and responsible for her well-being -- yet when Caylee "went missing" she delayed for a month before telling anyone - it took her mother to phone the police!
    2. While her daughter was missing (we now know she was dead all that time!) Casey partied like she didn't have a care in the world - no normal parent, mother or father would do that - they would be devastated and heart-broken to lose a child;
    3. After her daughter was finally reported missing Casey Anthony told lie after lie, making up a non-existent "nanny" who she claimed had taken Caylee;
    4. There were 84 searches for "chloroform" on the computer in the home (none for chlorophyl!);
    5. There was a smell of a decomposing body in the trunk of her car, testified to by her own mother and evidenced b...





    I haven't heard anyone say that the jurors are murders, have you?
    Why do people think they know more than the jury? They don't think they know more, but they do know just as much - the whole damned trial has been televised and rerun, over and over, so everyone knows the evidence the jury had to consider.

    Here are facts that are uncontroverted that point to Casey Anthony's guilt of manslaughter, at the very least, and there is no innocent explanation for any one of them:
    !. She was the mother of the little girl, Caylee, and responsible for her well-being -- yet when Caylee "went missing" she delayed for a month before telling anyone - it took her mother to phone the police!
    2. While her daughter was missing (we now know she was dead all that time!) Casey partied like she didn't have a care in the world - no normal parent, mother or father would do that - they would be devastated and heart-broken to lose a child;
    3. After her daughter was finally reported missing Casey Anthony told lie after lie, making up a non-existent "nanny" who she claimed had taken Caylee;
    4. There were 84 searches for "chloroform" on the computer in the home (none for chlorophyl!);
    5. There was a smell of a decomposing body in the trunk of her car, testified to by her own mother and evidenced by a cadaver dog;
    6. There were traces of choroform found in the trunk of the car.
    7. Duct tape was found on the skull of Caylee Anthony's decomposing body.

    Juries are allowed to draw logical inferences from circumstantial evidence, and the circumstantial evidence in this case was overwhelming -- there is no explanation or inference to be drawn from any of the above facts that points to anything but a guilty verdict. Beyond reasonable doubt does not mean beyond all doubt, and they are not allowed to speculate about possible ways in which Caylee died "accidentally' -- there was no evidence present in the trial of an accident.

    They should have convicted the woman of manslaughter, at the very least. The statement of the one juror who has spoken, that they didn't know how she died, was nonsense - they didn't have to know how she died, just that she was dead.
    (more)
  • Recruit 2011/07/10 01:38:27
  • Sadie 2011/07/09 18:42:17
    Sadie
    If you have never sat on a jury I think it's a bit much to second guess these people. The stress is so intense and truly I do think most jurors try to give it their all. We don't have to agree with them but, if we are going to disagree then seeing all the evidence, AND knowing the law and all the instructions they must follow is essential. Besides, most people think trials are about "justice" only and they are not. They are about upholding the letter of the LAW. A court will not allow jurors to make decisions that are outside legal instruction. Sometimes, this system works and sometimes it does not but, it's the best system there is. Without the law we have no social order at all.
  • Ken 2011/07/09 16:39:28
    Ken
    I think it reflects the general decline in respect for authority. Everyone seems to think they are an authority. You see the same thing happening in debates on scientific issues, e.g., global warming and evolution; foreign policy; economic policy. Apparently, Americans haven't received enough education to understand how little they know.
  • Patriotic 2011/07/09 06:33:29
    Patriotic
    It's the same people who only watch Fox News, and think they know everything there is to know about everything. I've been in law enforcement and sat on juries as well. It is a whole different world, one which you cannot comprehend when you are not in that position.
  • prayer ... Patriotic 2011/07/09 07:07:59
    prayer warrior
    +1
    I have been there before 18 years in law enforcement. Innocent people go to jail and guilty have gone free.
  • Patriotic prayer ... 2011/07/09 15:20:26
    Patriotic
    +1
    Yes they have, and I agree with you 100%. The justice system is not about guilt or innocence, but more about what you can or cannot prove. Unfortunately for the innocent, if the prosecution can prove a case against you, you are going to do time. The flip side of that coin is just as bad for the victim and their families.
  • EDWARD G 2011/07/09 04:13:31
    EDWARD G
    The evidence was not here for 1st degree murder. Do I think she killed her? Maybe,or was it an accident she tried to cover up.? You couldn't find 1st degree murder, manslaughter,maybe, negligent homicide,probably.
  • FencerCat 2011/07/09 04:08:55
    FencerCat
    The problem is that the media hyped this trial. They made it sound like a sure thing. From what I've heard, the mistake that was made was trying her for first degree murder. That gave reasonable doubt, since there was no time or cause determined for the murder. Some legal analysts I've heard said she could've been convicted of involuntary manslaughter or criminal neglect.Personally, I didn't follow it, so, based on the hype it was given, I was surprised by the verdict, but since I didn't watch it, I couldn't say what should or shouldn't have happened.

    As for the OJ trial, I have never understood why the glove test was allowed, or why anyone took that seriously. I was able to see that part on the news. First of all, leather, once it gets wet (blood, water, anything) will shrink. Second, if you have ever tried to put a glove on over a latex glove, it won't fit. No one made those points in OJ's trial, so the prosecution made errors large enough to drive a train through. They are the ones to blame for that acquittal. And if he truly didn't do it, no one's ever bothered to look for someone else to have committed that rime.
  • Welshtaff 2011/07/09 02:00:08
    Welshtaff
    Its typical.
  • JohntheChristian 2011/07/09 00:22:21
    JohntheChristian
    Because people are emotional, want vengeance and are being tugged around by the news media showing pictures of Caylee every ten seconds.

    I pray emotional hysteria never tears through the civil liberties promised us in the constitution, the day we become guilty until proven innocent, will be a dark one indeed.
  • Louis Shipman 2011/07/08 23:37:28
    Louis Shipman
    In my heart I belive Casey Anthony is guilty. But if I sat on that jury and had to follow the same guidelines they did I would have to voted not guilty. The prosecution did not prove it's case beyond a resonable doubt. They tried a case with no real facts and used new science that is unproven to make thier case. Now in a few years that science might be commonplace in trails but right now it is not understood. Like the DNA evidence in the Simpson trail it was fairly new but at the time it was not understood by the common people who make up juries.
  • integriTmatters 2011/07/08 23:21:32
    integriTmatters
    Oh, she's guilty alright, BUT the prosecution did not have enough to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. The emotion in the case clouds what the jury had to do... acquit. That doesn't mean she is not guilty. We have the best justice system in the history of the world, but it is not flawless. This is an unfortunate case and one of the prices we pay for adhering to the standard of "innocent until proven guilty." Casey Anthony must now live with her guilt among people who hate her... May they show her as much compassion as she showed her daughter. Rest in peace beautiful Caylee :(
  • Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL 2011/07/08 22:38:37
    Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL
    perhaps this case lacked evidence but you cannot for a second tell me that any child missing for 31 days and a mother does not persue his/her whereabouts is normal and acting like a loving parent. They lock people up every day for neglect such as that.
  • Queen B 2011/07/08 22:10:01
    Queen B
    lol....because they watch CourtTv and/or Nancy Grace and that's all they need to know even if they have never been on a jury.
  • danielria 2011/07/08 22:02:52
    danielria
    Because it's always different from the outside looking in.......
  • fisherman 2011/07/08 21:40:34
    fisherman
    she gets hit with four counts of lying to the police...could one of those lies be ...i didnt do it ?
  • Plantgypc 2011/07/08 21:23:32 (edited)
    Plantgypc
    +1
    I am not blaming the jury, I blame the system. Someone in that family knows what happened to that beautiful little girl, and threw her away like so much trash.

    I think charges will be brought against the grandparents and or uncle.
  • Mandi Pandi 2011/07/08 20:53:26
    Mandi Pandi
    +1
    'cause people aren't happy with the outcome. sure glad i wasn't summoned for jury duty for this trial! whew!
  • potlatch 2011/07/08 20:49:35 (edited)
    potlatch
    This has been in the news since July 16, 2008 and people get very emotionally involved. If there is reasonable doubt, you can't convict in a murder trial. Evidence presented during the six week trial did not eliminate all reasonable doubt.

    In an interview with ABC News, one juror said some of them cried and were sick to their stomachs with the conviction that there just wasn't enough evidence to convict Casey.
  • irish -liberty or death! 2011/07/08 20:36:18
    irish -liberty or death!
    +1
    no,the jury is given the facts as the prosecution had them. and have to decide if the facts presented will hold up to the a standard of conviction.
    the people on the other hand don't need facts to see the obvious. they have nothing to prove. common sense goes a long way.
  • Jeb Rob... irish -... 2011/07/08 20:51:41
    Jeb Roberts 1 %'er - POTL - JLA
    +1
    Common sense, now that have been a pretty good tool to bring to the jury box.
  • irish -... Jeb Rob... 2011/07/08 20:54:38
    irish -liberty or death!
    +2
    yes it would,but they can't use it can they?
  • Jeb Rob... irish -... 2011/07/08 20:59:09
    Jeb Roberts 1 %'er - POTL - JLA
    +1
    Maybe they were all thinking let just vote not guilty so we don't miss anymore episodes of American Idol.
  • irish -... Jeb Rob... 2011/07/08 21:02:38
    irish -liberty or death!
    +1
    LOL LOL sadly probably true. seriously,the mere fact that the child was missing for a month unreported implies gross guilt.
    and abuse of a corpse? if the baby drowned then why hide her body?? a whole lot of questions should have been asked. perhaps the justice system needs to be changed so that the jurors can ask questions of the lawyers.
  • Tinka123 2011/07/08 20:32:21
    Tinka123
    When people indulge sensationalism - they become emotionally invested in a story - abandon reason in exchange for retribution. By the time the verdict drops - media's all in - not about redirect. Same for viewers.

    Ultimately, jury's the only entity with nothing to gain or lose on verdict either way. Sad they're bashed - simply following law to best of ability. Jury shouldn't be faulted for a lack of evidence. They're expected to put aside their opinions and render a verdict based on the facts alone.

    Media talking-heads who make a living presuming guilt before innocence - don't help the situation.
  • Cliff 2011/07/08 20:25:39
    Cliff
    +2
    Jurors are required to check their brain at the door. Rules are rules and intelligence is not allowed.
  • mrscas Cliff 2011/07/08 20:56:37
    mrscas
    I am not sure they had brains to check.
  • rand 2011/07/08 20:18:33
    rand
    Because jurors are selected for their gullibility. The U.S. needs professional, trained jurors who can define "reasonable" reasonably.
  • Drachen rand 2011/07/08 20:23:11
    Drachen
    But if they are reused they will get biased...
  • rand Drachen 2011/07/08 20:29:29
    rand
    +1
    "Critical rationalists", to use a term of the science philosopher Karl Popper, are constantly evaluating their biases, seeking objectivity. Juries are trained successfully in other countries and ultimately are less expensive and more just.
  • Drachen rand 2011/07/08 20:31:38
    Drachen
    +1
    I see... perhaps that would work?
  • ducdodger 2011/07/08 20:14:21
    ducdodger
    The problem is they were not going by the facts and juror # 3 admitted that to ABC They actually believed that it may have been an accident when there was not one shred of evidence to prove that theory. However I don find that their was not enough evidence to support the murder charges. The was enough eveidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Anthony neglected her child which lead to her death. On that count the jury should have found her guilty. But once again these jurors failed to use the common sense god had given them. To these twelve dolts 2 + 2 =2000
  • ~Pro-Fetus Anti-Liberal Ant... 2011/07/08 20:03:22
    ~Pro-Fetus Anti-Liberal Anti-Atheist~
    Considering that they 'wanted' to convict her (because they knew in their heart of hearts that she had a hand in it), but chose not to even convict her on the lesser charges, is why I have a problem with them.

    I know that someone is gulty, even though it can't be 'proven'... I'm still going to go with guilty on those lesser charges. That way I'm not sending the b*tch to her death, but she's going to pay... because I know she had a part in her kid's death.

    You just don't let someone (that you know did it) walk... unless you're an @sshole.
  • Hula girl - Friends not Fol... 2011/07/08 20:03:21
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    +1
    Evidently in this mob rule mentality of trying someone in the press before the trial that seems to be the new norm. They did to the Ramseys too and they were innocent yet the stress just sped up Mrs. Ramsey's cancer.
    Thank goodness our founders made this a Republic where Law is the ruler whereas a Democracy as the Press and the President want where thug or mob rule is the law of the land.
  • mrscas 2011/07/08 20:02:44
    mrscas
    +1
    The alternate juror and the juror that have spoken to the media sound totally ignorant. I wonder if the other jurors were just as stupid. Where did they get these two?
  • Jeb Rob... mrscas 2011/07/08 20:54:26
    Jeb Roberts 1 %'er - POTL - JLA
    Maybe they were on loan from the OJ murder trial.
  • mrscas Jeb Rob... 2011/07/08 20:55:38
    mrscas
    I think you nailed it. :)

News & Politics

2013/05/22 06:18:24

Hot Questions on SodaHead
More Hot Questions

More Community More Originals