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Why do conservatives say Hitler was a liberal?

The Aging Yankee Liberal Douche 2012/12/07 00:21:18
When he was anything but. He seemed to have more right wing beliefs. Communists were nazis number one enemy
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  • DizziNY 2012/12/07 00:50:00
    DizziNY
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    "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

    (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

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  • ¤Creepy Lumberjack¤ >-QC-< 2013/02/14 01:37:31 (edited)
    ¤Creepy Lumberjack¤ >-QC-<
    Hitler was an extremist right-wing conservative.



    nazism on the political spectrum

    He was all but liberal.
  • ike torres ¤Creepy... 2013/04/18 23:06:04
    ike torres
    +2
    what does Nazi mean?
  • nichola... ¤Creepy... 2013/08/09 04:34:09
    nicholas contos
    +2
    Huh?

    Hitler was anti gun, pro big government, and anti capitalist. That doesn't sound very conservative to me.

    Even the word Nazi means socialist.
  • Ben 2012/12/12 22:26:41
    Ben
    actually hitler was against communism, and gays.
  • the spoiler 2012/12/10 20:23:07
    the spoiler
    +1
    Because conservatives LOOOOOVE to lie
  • Clyde 2012/12/10 15:09:03
    Clyde
    +1
    Because liberals are fascists like he was, simple.
  • The Agi... Clyde 2012/12/10 18:31:14
    The Aging Yankee Liberal Douche
    look at the post below yours, this guy knows his stuff.
  • Clyde The Agi... 2012/12/10 19:00:04
    Clyde
    That's all subterfuge and minutia, they are both statest, totalitarian tyrants. They believe in large central government that controls everything (one way or another) and that is contrary to individual liberty. People love to go into all that crap to try and hide obama's true nature.
  • Kookieless The Sexy Nihilis... 2012/12/09 21:45:31
  • E.Sailor 2012/12/08 14:44:25
    E.Sailor
    +1
    Maybe they mean without moral inhibitions, in my opinion both fascism and communism are bad, some communists are on the same time and fascists too!
  • Clyde E.Sailor 2012/12/10 15:12:04
    Clyde
    +1
    Yes, they are both at the same end of the spectrum that believe in state run totalitarian tyranny. Conservatism is 180 degrees opposite of them.
  • texasred 2012/12/07 23:12:02
    texasred
    +3
    Communism and Fascism: The Twin Evils of Collectivism
    http://fvdb.wordpress.com/201...
  • Billyk75 2012/12/07 20:15:48 (edited)
    Billyk75
    +2
    Maybe because Hitler was anti capitalist.
  • thefatguy 2012/12/07 19:42:49
    thefatguy
    +3
    Hitler was not a "liberal" in the way the term is used today but he has an ideological kinship with the Left. Both share a totalitarian vision.

    Consider the indisputable facts:
    "Liberals" want to expand the size and power of government. They believe in the "collective" and stress loyalty and obedience to the State.
    "Conservatives" want to decrease the size and power of government. They believe in the "individual" and stress loyalty and obedience to God.

    Now, which is more in line with the thinking of Hitler - less government power or more? Collective rights versus individual rights? Loyalty to God or obedience to the State? It is obvious that Hitler shares more with "liberals" than "conservatives". Leftism is always totalitarian in its nature.
  • burning... thefatguy 2012/12/08 07:27:32 (edited)
    burningsnowman
    No, liberal and conservative mean almost much the exact opposite of what you are talking about historically. Someone like Jefferson was a classical liberal, for example. But it was Monarchists and supporters of unapologetically hierarchal societies who were/are Classical Conservatives. National Socialism did have some opponents on the right, but that does not mean they were not right-wing anymore than Marxist-Leninism having critics from the left means that it was not leftist.
  • thefatguy burning... 2012/12/08 08:41:43
    thefatguy
    +1
    We are not talking about classical liberalism, which is closer to economic conservatism. The common vernacular for "liberal" in the United States outside of a poli sci classroom is a person on the Left/Progressive. So, don't bring in other definitions of terms in an attempt to skew the discussion.
  • burning... thefatguy 2012/12/08 09:59:23 (edited)
    burningsnowman
    Free Market Capitalism is still called Economic Liberalism. Ever wonder why so many left wingers complain about "neo-liberalism"? That's why. I'm not any kind of "Liberal" either. I'm right-wing.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
  • thefatguy burning... 2012/12/08 17:20:44
    thefatguy
    I'm just saying that we ought not get caught up in semantics. I understand the terminology but most Americans use the term "liberal" to mean someone on the Left.
  • Clyde thefatguy 2012/12/10 15:15:21
    Clyde
    +1
    Yes, you are correct, many have a misconception of left and right. Fascism is tyrannical big state government just like communism/socialism, conservatism is small government and freedom and is that opposite end of the spectrum.
  • rightside 2012/12/07 17:47:02
    rightside
    +1
    Well, hitler told the people that all their problems came because of the Jews. bama tells us all our problems are the conservatives who love their guns and bibles.
    hitler loved the adoration of the people that believed him even when what he did was vile and horrible. Hmmmmm?
  • Wulfdane 2012/12/07 17:37:06 (edited)
    Wulfdane
    +1
    Ideologies are complex and it would be impossible to explain the nuances of them here, these are things you must study and learn, I don't mean on Wikipedia.

    You can find similarities between any two ideologies, but that says nothing.

    For example you could say that both Nazism and Liberalism believe in an all powerful central governmental and that would be true. But how they achieve and use that power, is very different.

    At the heart of Nazism is racism and at the heart of Liberalism is material equality. What made Nazism so unique, was that it was unlike any other ideology before or since. Race became a central theme of Nazism in a way the world has never experienced.
  • burningsnowman 2012/12/07 17:19:40 (edited)
    burningsnowman
    +1
    They were on the Far Right. The term "Third Reich" (Third Empire) itself was taken from self-described Conservative Revolutionaries like Arthur Moeller van den Bruck. Their social policies were not leftist: Ban abortion for whites, encourage women to stay home, kill homosexuals, stamp out Marxist/Communist influence, burn and discredit all 'degenerate art' and unwanted pop culture, elevate farm life, revive ancient Germanic traditions (Volkisch), enforce 'Positive Christianity,' kill anyone deemed a burden or corrupting influence on society in general.

    As for the economics, 'Free Market Capitalism' was and still is actually considered Economic Liberalism. The German Right in general hated anything Liberal or Enlightenment related. Ideas like guilds/corporatism, colonial economies (mercantilism), etc. were much older than 'Free Markets' and that is what the German Right supported. They saw those things as more stable and in the interests of The Fatherland. They saw 'Free Market Capitalism' by contrast as being materialist (like marxism - also called a 'jewish plot'), promoting selfish individualism and ultimately exploiting Germans for the benefits of a few foreigners and jews.

    http://archive.org/details/Ge...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    http://books.google.com/books...
    They were on the Far Right. The term "Third Reich" (Third Empire) itself was taken from self-described Conservative Revolutionaries like Arthur Moeller van den Bruck. Their social policies were not leftist: Ban abortion for whites, encourage women to stay home, kill homosexuals, stamp out Marxist/Communist influence, burn and discredit all 'degenerate art' and unwanted pop culture, elevate farm life, revive ancient Germanic traditions (Volkisch), enforce 'Positive Christianity,' kill anyone deemed a burden or corrupting influence on society in general.

    As for the economics, 'Free Market Capitalism' was and still is actually considered Economic Liberalism. The German Right in general hated anything Liberal or Enlightenment related. Ideas like guilds/corporatism, colonial economies (mercantilism), etc. were much older than 'Free Markets' and that is what the German Right supported. They saw those things as more stable and in the interests of The Fatherland. They saw 'Free Market Capitalism' by contrast as being materialist (like marxism - also called a 'jewish plot'), promoting selfish individualism and ultimately exploiting Germans for the benefits of a few foreigners and jews.

    http://archive.org/details/Ge...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    http://books.google.com/books...
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  • mich52 2012/12/07 16:12:33
  • john.newell.771 2012/12/07 16:12:19
    john.newell.771
    +4
    Mao was a communist and broke relations with the USSR because of ideological disputes. Despot totalitarian governments always dislike each other. Truth is that Fascism is closer to communism and both are the farthest thing away from conservatives. Conservatives believe in freedom and liberty, both of which is abhorrent to communism and fascism.
  • Clyde john.ne... 2012/12/10 15:17:28
    Clyde
    Liberals won't accept that truth, but you are absolutely correct.
  • lucky 2012/12/07 15:59:32
    lucky
    +2
    Because Hitler was a psychopath capable of wearing many faces, in the beginning he influenced people by promising greater freedom, less government control, he advocated human rights and help for the working class. Later after gaining power he became a fascist, people who say that he was left wing or right wing have no real understanding of Hitler. He was neither, he was in some ways like many of today's serial killers, he had the ability to use whatever face the public wanted to see while hiding his true monstrous self, the only difference is Hitler understood how to use peoples greatest fears when it came to the government to bend people to his will until he had gained enough power that it would take several armies to stop him.
  • Peter G... lucky 2012/12/07 16:43:46
    Peter Griffin
    A smarter Romney?
  • lucky Peter G... 2012/12/08 14:29:58
    lucky
    No a better comparison would be Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Once Hitler obtained power he was willing to go to any lengths to keep it. Romney lost the election gracefully and did not resort to intimidation and violence to change the results.
  • Peter G... lucky 2012/12/08 14:59:41
    Peter Griffin
    If you are looking for an argument on this, look else where. We will eventually rise up and overthrow the religious radicals.
  • lucky Peter G... 2012/12/08 17:13:26
    lucky
    I dont generally look for arguments, Im more into discovering different opinions and trying to understand why someone may have those opinions.

    As for your country, only you know what is really going on in your country at least as far as your peoples view of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
  • Clyde lucky 2012/12/10 15:18:17
    Clyde
    Sounds like obama! LOL
  • john richardson 2012/12/07 15:42:50 (edited)
    john richardson
    +3
    I could argue he had characteristics of liberals and conservatives, and environmentalist, we all would be correct by pointing to different characteristics. But instead of looking at him as left or right we should just remember he was a unique insane freak, Hitler was just Hitler!
  • Todd Parsons 2012/12/07 15:41:26
    Todd Parsons
    +3
    Similarities Between liberals and Nazis

    1.The general feeling, whether spoken out right, or kept not-so-subtly-hidden, of being better than others. Nazis, like liberals, think they’re better. They’re mater. They don’t like,anyone who does not think like they do not. If you do not like art, wine, what they call culture, and other "city" events, and a host of others things, they look down on you and believe that you are inferior to them. Libeals often talk about (progressive) Americans as though they’re the univers's chosen people, the only people who matter. The Nazis of course called themselves the Master Race.

    2. Religious Xenophobia. The enviroment is god. The liberal tie environmental belief to their supposed superiority, and to politics and policy-setting. They know whats right. You don’t. The universe favors them, not you, if you disagree with them. The German Nazis had belt buckles that read,“Gott Mitt Uns”(God is with us), in liberal speak (the environment is with us)

    3.Love of propaganda, as long as they control it! Political TV news is a largely left-wing. It is hosted by a host of American Joseph Goebbels (German minister of propaganda) imitators, who dispense false accusations, left-wing claptrap and mocking, thinly-disguised hate for those who disagree with the...









    Similarities Between liberals and Nazis

    1.The general feeling, whether spoken out right, or kept not-so-subtly-hidden, of being better than others. Nazis, like liberals, think they’re better. They’re mater. They don’t like,anyone who does not think like they do not. If you do not like art, wine, what they call culture, and other "city" events, and a host of others things, they look down on you and believe that you are inferior to them. Libeals often talk about (progressive) Americans as though they’re the univers's chosen people, the only people who matter. The Nazis of course called themselves the Master Race.

    2. Religious Xenophobia. The enviroment is god. The liberal tie environmental belief to their supposed superiority, and to politics and policy-setting. They know whats right. You don’t. The universe favors them, not you, if you disagree with them. The German Nazis had belt buckles that read,“Gott Mitt Uns”(God is with us), in liberal speak (the environment is with us)

    3.Love of propaganda, as long as they control it! Political TV news is a largely left-wing. It is hosted by a host of American Joseph Goebbels (German minister of propaganda) imitators, who dispense false accusations, left-wing claptrap and mocking, thinly-disguised hate for those who disagree with them. Their most recognizable traits are smugness and the school-yard bully mean spirit.

    4. The cult of the leader (fuehrer). Liberals praise their leders in such a way as to make them "kings","Superi or", mythologizing liberals as some kind of gods brought down from on-high is a left-wing phenomenon that has recently grown in scope. Current deification efforts include among others, FDR and kennady The Germans of course had Hitler.

    5. Use of diversions. The Germans used the Reichstag fire of 1933 to suspend civil liberties under emergency decree. Obama is using class warefare and the economy to re-make the the country and the middle class. The liberals are using class warfare to cause diversiveness in this country.

    6. Use of scapegoats. The Germans called people they didn’t like “sub-humans.” The left-wing call them “bad Americans.”

    7.Contempt for Democracy. Hitler said Democracy was corrupt, soft. Obama said "there is not a problem with the country. there is a problem with the political system". In essence, being a dictator would be easier than being president.

    8. The blame game, or denial of bad news. Liberals, in power for three years, blame Bush for the country’s impending economic collapse. Hitler said his generals let him down.
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  • Brother Bo 2012/12/07 15:14:29
  • Surly Curmudgen 2012/12/07 15:12:35
    Surly Curmudgen
    +4
    Communists were the number one competitor for the votes of the left. Those saying "I'm not a communist, I'm really a progressive/liberal" are terrified that us peons might compare the Nazis and today's Democrat party and find a correlation of agendas. That is why the left keeps lying trying to tell us the Nazis are on the right politically.
  • Clyde Surly C... 2012/12/10 15:21:21
    Clyde
    Communist and "progressive/liberal" are basically synonymous, read the history of America progressives.
  • Surly C... Clyde 2012/12/10 16:38:51
    Surly Curmudgen
    +1
    I have been telling people that for decades. It is always nice to see that others know this too.
  • Clyde Surly C... 2012/12/10 16:49:28
    Clyde
    I know, I was stunned when Hilary announced at a debate that she didn't think of herself as a liberal, but a "progressive", modeled after the progressives of the early 20th century. She might as well said she was a NAZI, modeled after the NAZIs of the early 20th century. Amazingly very few others made this obvious correlation.
  • Surly C... Clyde 2012/12/10 17:13:04
    Surly Curmudgen
    +1
    My first thought was "OMG she just cut her own throat" and then nothing happened, no questions, no uproar, no anything. It was very disappointing.
    And it was a very sad commentary on the education available in this nation.
  • Clyde Surly C... 2012/12/10 17:19:17
    Clyde
    Yes, the schools is where the war was lost. Not only are they not being taught history, but they are being indoctrinated into having contempt for our country and the values it was founded on.
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