Why do Christians oppose abortion when the Bible condones it?
- 2009/08/25 19:07:18
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Exodus 21:22-23 tells us that it is only a sin to abort a child forcefully, without the consent of the woman's husband. All other abortions are kosher with the man upstairs.
Exodus 21:22-23 --
"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life."
So, why is abortion only considered a crime when committed without the consent of the husband? The fact that punishments are only required in the case of a miscarriage caused by an uninvited malicious act of violence by a third party clearly implies that abortion is a perfectly acceptable choice for a man to make for his wife. THE BIBLE CONDONES ABORTION.
So, what's up with all of these Christians distorting and perverting their faith to make abortion illegal? Is there an ulterior motive, or do they just hate God?
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BienvenuJDC 2009/08/25 19:59:48+75You misunderstand what this passage is saying.
If a woman has a miscarriage due to the actions of another man, the father has a case against that man. Give a life for a life, means that if the first man willfully causes the death of another, it shall cost him his own life.
This is CLEARLY giving authority for capital punishment, while establishing that LIFE within the womb is just as valuable as LIFE outside of the womb.
THE BIBLE CONDEMNS ABORTION.
THE BIBLE CONDONES CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.
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You wrote: It does not clearly state that only if the man says it's okay. It simply gives that example, but in truth, it went from stating that harm be done, that if that harm did NOT kill the baby, then the punishment is up to the husband, but if that harm did in fact kill the baby, then life for life and limb for limb would be paid. Read it again, Silly.
What the passage says is that, if there is a miscarriage, the man/men involved have to pay the husband's asking price to compensate him for his loss of property value. This is similar to how, when a woman is raped, the rapist must pay *her father* a sum of 50 shekels to compensate for his daughter's reduced market value (Deuteronomy 22:29) and make up for the price Daddy could have expected to collect for selling her off to the highest bidder, and then the rapist has to take her off Daddy's hands by marrying her.
But back to Exodus 21:22-23 However, if, after the miscarriage, the woman herself dies, then the laws governing murder apply (life for life) and he/they will be executed. Silly.
22 “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely[a] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows.
23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life,
The Hebrew language has a term shachol that denotes an abortion. That word is not employed in this text.
Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.
Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.
2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?
Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.
Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.
Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”
Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.
Jeremiah 11:22-23 God will kill the young men in war and starve their children to death.
Jeremiah 19:7-9 God will make parents eat their own children, and friends eat each other.
Lamentations 2:20-22 God gets angry and mercilessly torments and kills everyone, young and old. He even causes women to eat their children.
...the Bible even condones "late-term" abortion.
The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS)
Links are at the bottom. Didn't mean to copy this particular article but it is an eye opener and this institution was church run!
Mass Execution of Children Alleged:
A Breaking News Update from the ITCCS
November 9, 2011
My brother Rufus saw them take all those children and stand them up next to a big ditch, and then the soldiers shot them all and they all fell into that ditch. Some of the kids were still alive and they just poured the dirt in on top of them. Buried them alive.
This mass murder happened in 1943 – not in Nazi held Europe, but in Brantford, Ontario, on land occupied by the Canadian Army, at it...
The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS)
Links are at the bottom. Didn't mean to copy this particular article but it is an eye opener and this institution was church run!
Mass Execution of Children Alleged:
A Breaking News Update from the ITCCS
November 9, 2011
My brother Rufus saw them take all those children and stand them up next to a big ditch, and then the soldiers shot them all and they all fell into that ditch. Some of the kids were still alive and they just poured the dirt in on top of them. Buried them alive.
This mass murder happened in 1943 – not in Nazi held Europe, but in Brantford, Ontario, on land occupied by the Canadian Army, at its Basic Training Camp Number 20.
These words were spoken today on the Native America Calling Radio program by Lorna McNaughton of Oshweken, Ontario: a survivor of the infamous “Mush Hole”, the Brantford Mohawk Indian residential school, run by the Church and Crown of England until 1970.
Why were these children shot? According to Lorna,
The school was overcrowded just then. I was there, I saw the army bring in all these cots for lots of new kids who showed up from all over the country. They must have just wanted to get rid of all the extra hungry mouths; it was wartime and everything was rationed. One day those new kids were in the dorms, then they were all taken out, and we never saw any of them kids again.
A probable site of this mass burial of the executed children has been located, and is now under the protection and jurisdiction of the Onkwehonwe Mohawk Nation and its clan mothers. Surveys and possible excavations will proceed under professional guidance, and according to the protocols of the Onkwehonwe people.
The Mohawk people call upon all people of good will to help protect the remains of these murdered children until international observers can arrive to monitor events and evidence that is uncovered.
This site is under the jurisdiction of the Onkwehonwe Mohawk people and not the government of Canada or the Crown or Church of England.
The investigation into the Canadian Genocide continues. Stay tuned for regular updates from the Onkwehonwe Mohawk Nation and the ITCCS.
Issued by the ITCCS office, Brussels, and Rawennatshani of the Turtle clan, Onkwehonwe people
November 9, 2011
The Mohawk Institute, 1832-1970 - Church of England (Anglican) operated
Surveying for mass graves, Mohawk Institute
Read the truth of genocide in Canada and globally at:
www.itccs.org
www.hiddennolonger.com
www.hiddenfromhistory.org
You, in that very broad statement condemned the entire Catholic Church and its members.... You did not isolate a particular parish or cleric.
I haven't tried to talk my way out of anything, nor have I tried to defend anyone...particularly the guilty. Apparently you only read the words that you chose to read that I wrote... If you had, you would know for certain that I have never had any inclination to defend anyone guilty of any form of child abuse.... In fact had I personal knowledge of it being done.... its highly likely that I would be in prison right now for stomping the life out of the criminal!
I do think however that you are blowing things out of proportion.... 100's of thousands of children's deaths....... from the abuse?? Where do you get those numbers??
No action that has any meaning......?? I guess that the criminals being locked up in prison for years isn't meaningful, or the massive jury awards that they are collecting are nothing.....
Frankly, you strike me as having a real problem that is focused on Catholics and pretty much no-one else....
Oh boy, ANOTHER FORMER CATHOLIC!! You know, if I had a penny for every former Catholic that attacked the Church with so called facts.... I'd be driving a Rolls Royce and living fat on my own private island in Biscayne Bay!!
Tell me, what are you now....SBC or vanilla Baptist? Or something else....??
I'm not trying to undermine everything you say...I'm merely calling you out to actually prove what you claim...and give my side of reality... If you can't provide direct links to viable, unbiased and honest sources of proof...then all you are doing is parroting trash...
Basically....it sounds as though you are a heavy subscriber to "Chick Tracts" and actually believe that crap.....
Perhaps what we should do is review the history of native Americans and the methods they used to destroy their neighboring tribes villages, rape, pillage, loot and enslave anyone they capture, especially the children and women.
Aren't you a bit like the kettle calling the pot black??