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Why do Christians oppose abortion when the Bible condones it?

The Bible is VERY CLEAR that abortion is completely acceptable in every case, as long as the woman's husband consents.

Exodus 21:22-23 tells us that it is only a sin to abort a child forcefully, without the consent of the woman's husband. All other abortions are kosher with the man upstairs.

Exodus 21:22-23 --
"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life."

So, why is abortion only considered a crime when committed without the consent of the husband? The fact that punishments are only required in the case of a miscarriage caused by an uninvited malicious act of violence by a third party clearly implies that abortion is a perfectly acceptable choice for a man to make for his wife. THE BIBLE CONDONES ABORTION.


So, what's up with all of these Christians distorting and perverting their faith to make abortion illegal? Is there an ulterior motive, or do they just hate God?
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  • BienvenuJDC 2009/08/25 19:59:48
    BienvenuJDC
    +75
    You misunderstand what this passage is saying.

    If a woman has a miscarriage due to the actions of another man, the father has a case against that man. Give a life for a life, means that if the first man willfully causes the death of another, it shall cost him his own life.

    This is CLEARLY giving authority for capital punishment, while establishing that LIFE within the womb is just as valuable as LIFE outside of the womb.

    THE BIBLE CONDEMNS ABORTION.

    THE BIBLE CONDONES CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.

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  • Dogface 2012/08/25 20:22:41
    Dogface
    +3
    To Yukari Sato
    You wrote: It does not clearly state that only if the man says it's okay. It simply gives that example, but in truth, it went from stating that harm be done, that if that harm did NOT kill the baby, then the punishment is up to the husband, but if that harm did in fact kill the baby, then life for life and limb for limb would be paid. Read it again, Silly.

    What the passage says is that, if there is a miscarriage, the man/men involved have to pay the husband's asking price to compensate him for his loss of property value. This is similar to how, when a woman is raped, the rapist must pay *her father* a sum of 50 shekels to compensate for his daughter's reduced market value (Deuteronomy 22:29) and make up for the price Daddy could have expected to collect for selling her off to the highest bidder, and then the rapist has to take her off Daddy's hands by marrying her.

    But back to Exodus 21:22-23 However, if, after the miscarriage, the woman herself dies, then the laws governing murder apply (life for life) and he/they will be executed. Silly.
  • Robert Ferguson 2012/07/03 00:32:28
    Robert Ferguson
    +2
    It sounds like you're reading an inaccurate translation.
    22 “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely[a] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows.
    23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life,
    The Hebrew language has a term shachol that denotes an abortion. That word is not employed in this text.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾ 2012/01/12 20:55:17
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child.

    Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.

    Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.

    2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/01/12 20:55:49
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.

    Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.

    Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/01/12 20:56:29
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    The murdering of children:

    Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”

    Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/01/12 20:56:34
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife.

    Jeremiah 11:22-23 God will kill the young men in war and starve their children to death.

    Jeremiah 19:7-9 God will make parents eat their own children, and friends eat each other.

    Lamentations 2:20-22 God gets angry and mercilessly torments and kills everyone, young and old. He even causes women to eat their children.
  • lurx: the soda jerk 2012/01/12 11:40:14 (edited)
    lurx: the soda jerk
    +2


    ...the Bible even condones "late-term" abortion.
  • Yukari Sato 2011/12/05 05:40:57
    Yukari Sato
    +1
    It does not clearly state that only if the man says it's okay. It simply gives that example, but in truth, it went from stating that harm be done, that if that harm did NOT kill the baby, then the punishment is up to the husband, but if that harm did in fact kill the baby, then life for life and limb for limb would be paid. Read it again, Silly.
  • Disko P... Yukari ... 2012/01/12 11:22:17
    Disko Pickle
    +3
    Wrong. It says that a monetary settlement is necessary to compensate for the miscarriage but that further mischief (not the miscarriage) allows the husband to kill the offender.
  • marcie 2011/09/04 07:24:11
    marcie
    +2
    Because their churches run child trafficing businesses from their church run orphanages all over the world. They don't want to kill babies, they want to sell them in private adoptions and prostitution rings. There are documents that prove what I am saying and the catholic church is the guiltiest of all in this.
  • RobHom marcie 2011/11/11 21:37:46
  • marcie RobHom 2011/11/12 02:42:10
    marcie
    +2
    Nope, not BS we have the documentation to prove it and have spread the word world wide. Why do you think catholic unwed mothers who go into a church run home have to sign away the rights of there unborn babies upon entry? So the church can sell them in illegal adoptions. Why do you think kids in church run orphanages don't get adopted? because they are free labor, sex objects to be toyed with and farmed out for a price for high end prostitution rings. It is becoming a well known fact and yes there is documentaion from the church's own records and we have the copies of them! Go to
    The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS)
    Links are at the bottom. Didn't mean to copy this particular article but it is an eye opener and this institution was church run!




    Mass Execution of Children Alleged:

    A Breaking News Update from the ITCCS


    November 9, 2011










    My brother Rufus saw them take all those children and stand them up next to a big ditch, and then the soldiers shot them all and they all fell into that ditch. Some of the kids were still alive and they just poured the dirt in on top of them. Buried them alive.




    This mass murder happened in 1943 – not in Nazi held Europe, but in Brantford, Ontario, on land occupied by the Canadian Army, at it...


































































    Nope, not BS we have the documentation to prove it and have spread the word world wide. Why do you think catholic unwed mothers who go into a church run home have to sign away the rights of there unborn babies upon entry? So the church can sell them in illegal adoptions. Why do you think kids in church run orphanages don't get adopted? because they are free labor, sex objects to be toyed with and farmed out for a price for high end prostitution rings. It is becoming a well known fact and yes there is documentaion from the church's own records and we have the copies of them! Go to
    The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS)
    Links are at the bottom. Didn't mean to copy this particular article but it is an eye opener and this institution was church run!




    Mass Execution of Children Alleged:

    A Breaking News Update from the ITCCS


    November 9, 2011










    My brother Rufus saw them take all those children and stand them up next to a big ditch, and then the soldiers shot them all and they all fell into that ditch. Some of the kids were still alive and they just poured the dirt in on top of them. Buried them alive.




    This mass murder happened in 1943 – not in Nazi held Europe, but in Brantford, Ontario, on land occupied by the Canadian Army, at its Basic Training Camp Number 20.




    These words were spoken today on the Native America Calling Radio program by Lorna McNaughton of Oshweken, Ontario: a survivor of the infamous “Mush Hole”, the Brantford Mohawk Indian residential school, run by the Church and Crown of England until 1970.




    Why were these children shot? According to Lorna,




    The school was overcrowded just then. I was there, I saw the army bring in all these cots for lots of new kids who showed up from all over the country. They must have just wanted to get rid of all the extra hungry mouths; it was wartime and everything was rationed. One day those new kids were in the dorms, then they were all taken out, and we never saw any of them kids again.




    A probable site of this mass burial of the executed children has been located, and is now under the protection and jurisdiction of the Onkwehonwe Mohawk Nation and its clan mothers. Surveys and possible excavations will proceed under professional guidance, and according to the protocols of the Onkwehonwe people.




    The Mohawk people call upon all people of good will to help protect the remains of these murdered children until international observers can arrive to monitor events and evidence that is uncovered.





    This site is under the jurisdiction of the Onkwehonwe Mohawk people and not the government of Canada or the Crown or Church of England.





    The investigation into the Canadian Genocide continues. Stay tuned for regular updates from the Onkwehonwe Mohawk Nation and the ITCCS.




    Issued by the ITCCS office, Brussels, and Rawennatshani of the Turtle clan, Onkwehonwe people


    November 9, 2011






    The Mohawk Institute, 1832-1970 - Church of England (Anglican) operated




    Surveying for mass graves, Mohawk Institute






    Read the truth of genocide in Canada and globally at:
    www.itccs.org
    www.hiddennolonger.com
    www.hiddenfromhistory.org
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  • RobHom marcie 2011/11/12 03:08:50 (edited)
  • marcie RobHom 2011/11/12 05:30:54
  • RobHom marcie 2011/11/12 14:44:15
  • marcie RobHom 2011/11/13 04:44:31
    marcie
    +2
    I am not condemning each person or indiviual church who has not committed any of those crimes within their own parish. I am condemning the ones that did, still do and still cover it up. Many children were so traumatized they couldn't speak of it and older kids did go to their parents who went to the churches who told them they would handle it internally and the parents would see that nun or priest disappear from the parish and assume it had been dealt with properly when in fact the offending creep was just moved to a different parish in a different town or state where the accusations weren't known. Many child victims are threatened to the point they don't dare tell.Are brainwashed to believe they deserve this treatment and don't realize until adult hood what terrible things really happened to them that were not deserved. You can't talk your way out of and defend a practice that has gone on for 150 years resulting in 100's of thousands of childrens deaths from the abuse, that the churches, countries and police have admitted has and is going on and their simple apologies for it with no action taken that has any meaning!
  • RobHom marcie 2011/11/14 02:05:56
    RobHom
    And yet you made this "broad-brushed statement": " Because their churches run child trafficing businesses from their church run orphanages all over the world. They don't want to kill babies, they want to sell them in private adoptions and prostitution rings. There are documents that prove what I am saying and the catholic church is the guiltiest of all in this."

    You, in that very broad statement condemned the entire Catholic Church and its members.... You did not isolate a particular parish or cleric.

    I haven't tried to talk my way out of anything, nor have I tried to defend anyone...particularly the guilty. Apparently you only read the words that you chose to read that I wrote... If you had, you would know for certain that I have never had any inclination to defend anyone guilty of any form of child abuse.... In fact had I personal knowledge of it being done.... its highly likely that I would be in prison right now for stomping the life out of the criminal!

    I do think however that you are blowing things out of proportion.... 100's of thousands of children's deaths....... from the abuse?? Where do you get those numbers??

    No action that has any meaning......?? I guess that the criminals being locked up in prison for years isn't meaningful, or the massive jury awards that they are collecting are nothing.....

    Frankly, you strike me as having a real problem that is focused on Catholics and pretty much no-one else....
  • marcie RobHom 2011/11/14 04:52:38
    marcie
    +2
    The adoptable babies from the unwed mother's homes are sold in illegal adoptions. The children in the church run orphanages are the ones who die or are sent to prostitution rings. How can I target one particular parish as guilty when every one of them who ran a residential school or orphanage is guitly not to mention individual parishes who had a pedophile they moved around. The single instances in any particular parish are hard to identify because it was so well hidden. However the church run institutions are not hard to identify. If 50,000 children in Canada alone were abused and murdered and you take into account all the other countries in Europe plus Australia fighting for justice for their murdered and abused children, that makes it into the hundreds of thousands world wide. Do the math. As for action that has no meaning.. do you actually think an apology for years of torture and abuse is enough for these living victims to heal? No! Do you think a small monetary settlement is going to make up for the damage that can never be undone? No. They need real justice. They need to see closure in the abusers finally paying with long terms in prison where they will get a dose of what they did to those little children. I am not just focused on the catholics though there seems to be ...
    The adoptable babies from the unwed mother's homes are sold in illegal adoptions. The children in the church run orphanages are the ones who die or are sent to prostitution rings. How can I target one particular parish as guilty when every one of them who ran a residential school or orphanage is guitly not to mention individual parishes who had a pedophile they moved around. The single instances in any particular parish are hard to identify because it was so well hidden. However the church run institutions are not hard to identify. If 50,000 children in Canada alone were abused and murdered and you take into account all the other countries in Europe plus Australia fighting for justice for their murdered and abused children, that makes it into the hundreds of thousands world wide. Do the math. As for action that has no meaning.. do you actually think an apology for years of torture and abuse is enough for these living victims to heal? No! Do you think a small monetary settlement is going to make up for the damage that can never be undone? No. They need real justice. They need to see closure in the abusers finally paying with long terms in prison where they will get a dose of what they did to those little children. I am not just focused on the catholics though there seems to be more of them than the united church of canada and the Anglican. Why are you so determined to undermine everything I say when you can go on line and see the documentation and articles about it all from the time it was first uncovered, step by step right up to today's progress in this fight for true justice. And yes since the catholic church is the biggest organization world wide it has the most quilt to hide and every pope who is supposed to be holier than thou, condoned all of it! That is what gets me the worst so I suppose i am a bit colored on the catholic church. I was babtized catholic, I had their teachings shoved down my throat for 12 years and it is all lies and treachery. You think about those little 4 and 5 yr olds forcefully taken from their homes and family and made to live in a school out of state. You think about a grown man raping a little girl that age and the physical and emotional pain it caused not to mention the unrepareable damage done to their insides if they lived through it. You think about the little boys of the same age who were sodomized and the excruciating pain and damage they endured day after day and think about those same kids who did manage to live and are adults our age now. I wonder how you would deal with that trauma and how satified you would be to just hear yes we did it and we are sorry. WOW!!!! The Jesuits saw the lawsuits comming and filed bankruptcy so they wouldn't have to pay big bucks to the survivors of their perversion. Remeber the commandement, thou shalt not kill, and know that the very church you appear to defend against my accusations vio;ated the very laws they teach to everyone. People you are supposed to trust as they are supposed to be doing God's work. Satan's is what they were and still are doing but things are getting real hot for all of them now and some are admitting their guilt but still passing go for free.The entire catholic church operates under the same policies regardless of parish. They have had their own guidlines on how to deal with pedophile complaints and I have told you how they have been dealing with them. Sweep under rug and move the guilty party out of harms way into another church elsewhere to continue the perversion on new prey. the fact that in a few places things are coming to a head and a few are being prosecuted in Europe means we are making progress in our mission but it is far from over!
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  • RobHom marcie 2011/11/15 01:00:09
    RobHom
    You say you have "proof"....well its like this: PUT UP OR SHUT UP!! Otherwise all you are doing is slandering everyone in sight with a very broad brush. Don't make excuses for your inadequacies...put up the proof or go quiet.

    Oh boy, ANOTHER FORMER CATHOLIC!! You know, if I had a penny for every former Catholic that attacked the Church with so called facts.... I'd be driving a Rolls Royce and living fat on my own private island in Biscayne Bay!!

    Tell me, what are you now....SBC or vanilla Baptist? Or something else....??

    I'm not trying to undermine everything you say...I'm merely calling you out to actually prove what you claim...and give my side of reality... If you can't provide direct links to viable, unbiased and honest sources of proof...then all you are doing is parroting trash...

    Basically....it sounds as though you are a heavy subscriber to "Chick Tracts" and actually believe that crap.....

    Perhaps what we should do is review the history of native Americans and the methods they used to destroy their neighboring tribes villages, rape, pillage, loot and enslave anyone they capture, especially the children and women.

    Aren't you a bit like the kettle calling the pot black??
  • marcie RobHom 2011/11/15 01:39:34
    marcie
    +2
    I gave you the sites with the documentation on them . If you choose to not read them that is up to you. I am traditional native not of any organized religion Baptist or other wise. How many articles, videos of survivors telling their stories, and photos of the ground penetrating radar currently being used at the oldest residential school in canada in Mohawk territory to try and locate the grave sites of the murdered children do you need to see before you accept the facts. How many protests at catholic churches in Ireland do you need to see by survivors from there. How many documents gathered by survivors from the Australian orphanage genocide do you need to see. I sent you a link to that site and the documents are posted as well as photos. I have done my job to prove to you the truth, you haven't apparently looked at any of it or you wouldn't be writing this piece of BS crap to me! Our people held children in the highest form of regard and care because they were the future of our people and the only means for the tribe to survive another generation. No children between tribes were ever abused. They had their skirmishes over hunting territory, they had their warrior games and training in which case counting coup was far more dangerous and at the same time honorable than killing...
    I gave you the sites with the documentation on them . If you choose to not read them that is up to you. I am traditional native not of any organized religion Baptist or other wise. How many articles, videos of survivors telling their stories, and photos of the ground penetrating radar currently being used at the oldest residential school in canada in Mohawk territory to try and locate the grave sites of the murdered children do you need to see before you accept the facts. How many protests at catholic churches in Ireland do you need to see by survivors from there. How many documents gathered by survivors from the Australian orphanage genocide do you need to see. I sent you a link to that site and the documents are posted as well as photos. I have done my job to prove to you the truth, you haven't apparently looked at any of it or you wouldn't be writing this piece of BS crap to me! Our people held children in the highest form of regard and care because they were the future of our people and the only means for the tribe to survive another generation. No children between tribes were ever abused. They had their skirmishes over hunting territory, they had their warrior games and training in which case counting coup was far more dangerous and at the same time honorable than killing your enemy. Stealing horses from tribe to tribe was also a means to not only train warriors but was also a game as to who could best who. Our people never did to others what the church and governments have done to us. We didn't start the wars, you unwanted immigrants who took over this continent did. We offered you all a helping hand to survive here and in thanks whole villages were wiped out right afterwards. So preach your distorted version of history to someone who doesn't know any better.I am done with you. Now read what i sent you and shut up as all the proof you need is there. or better yet go to a library and take out kevin's books, Photo copies of the records or at least some of them are in the first book.
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