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  • Kern 2012/04/17 18:40:43
    They couldn't...
    Kern
    +5
    I know that the Democrats had a majority, but it wasn't a super majority. They had Joe Lieberman, an independent who would voted with the Republicans. When Kennedy died, the really lost the super majority which meant they couldn't get it out of Cloture. They couldn't get the bill to the house floor.

    See, the new rule is you need 60 vote to get anything done. So, if the Willard wins, he will need 60 Republicans, and control of the house to get anything done. If that happens, I expect to see the Republican whine about how the Democrats are blocking everything they want to do. It will be the height of hypocrisy because the Republicans are blocking everything right now.

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  • JP 2012/04/18 02:22:21
    Undecided
    JP
    +1
    Cowards in search of talking points and class warfare talking points after the 2010 "shellacking".
  • no1badboy56 2012/04/18 00:50:26
    They were lazy...
    no1badboy56
    +2
    Heaven forbid, then they wouldn't have anything to whine about and would be to blame for increased taxes during a depression/recession.
  • apachehellfire65 2012/04/18 00:50:06
    They couldn't...
    apachehellfire65
    +3
    Because they did not want them to end any more then the republicans! am i the only one who has noticed the democrats keep EXTENDING everything they say bush did wrong? the war's, the tax cuts, the patriot act, gitmo detainment's, and just about everything else they campaigned against.
  • Mike 2012/04/17 23:46:54
    They couldn't...
    Mike
    +2
    Bush made sure the tax payer was taken care of until the people had time to vote the demogogs out of congress
  • Rebel Yell 2012/04/17 22:49:15
    They couldn't...
    Rebel Yell
    +3
    They had to wait for them to expire. Then they pitched a hissy fit, holding damn near everything hostage if the wealthy couldn't be taken care of first. Same ole, same ole. Republicans are so predictable. Take a look at Paul Ryan's budget plan, which the Republicans loooove. Romney can't quit talking about it. It's all the proof you need to see who is most important in America in the GOP's eyes. No doubt Paul Ryan had some help in writing up that plan.... from the Koch Bros. and Grover Norquist.
  • mich52 2012/04/17 22:24:06
    Undecided
    mich52
    +3
    Two reasons first the timing was wrong for the recovery and the Dems. only had a filibuster-proof majority (60 votes) for 9 mths.. Pretty simple actually..
  • DuncanONeil 2012/04/17 22:11:36
    Undecided
    DuncanONeil
    +3
    Because they knew it would be politically bad for them.
  • Denny 2012/04/17 21:33:14
    Undecided
    Denny
    +1
    They weren't nuts enough to raise the lower peons taxes by a bunch so they would never get elected again.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/04/17 20:35:09
    They couldn't...
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    They didn't have a super-majority and the republicans filibustered everything.
  • Charge Lady Wh... 2012/04/17 21:32:48
    Charge
    +2
    Well, if Obama wins, the tax cuts will expire Jan. 1, 2013 and we will have $500Billion in new taxes. Are You ready for that?
  • mich52 Charge 2012/04/17 22:25:25 (edited)
    mich52
    +2
    Sure in the hell am...
    Those tax cuts are costing us a small fortune and not producing squat... bush tax cuts
  • Charge mich52 2012/04/17 23:17:22 (edited)
    Charge
    +2
    Most of those tax cuts directly affect the low income and middle class of this country... not the rich. Not a good idea during Obama's recession.
    Bush cut individual income tax rates, reduced taxes on capital gains and dividends, cut the estate tax rate and raised its asset limit, trimmed taxes on business investment and boosted breaks for education, married couples and families with children.
  • mich52 Charge 2012/04/18 00:56:15
    mich52
    +1
    No chit, thanks for telling me what I've known since 2003... You're a fricking einstien...
  • Charge mich52 2012/04/18 16:17:16
    Charge
    You just don't get it, it's not the tax cuts, it's that the current tax system has 47% of working Americans paying no taxes at all. The system needs to be fixed.... Tax credits that allow people not to pay no taxes will stay in place, things like the "Buffet Rule" accomplish absolutely nothing to solve the problem.
  • mich52 Charge 2012/04/18 18:31:51
    mich52
    The Tax Policy Center’s estimate means that some 76 million households won’t pay federal income tax in 2011. But they still owe other taxes. About two-thirds pay payroll taxes, and most pay state and local income and sales taxes as well as excise taxes on gas, tobacco, cigarettes and alcohol. Of the one third who don’t pay payroll taxes, more than half are elderly who no longer work, and just under half are families with incomes under $20,000. Only about 1 percent of the population pays neither income nor payroll taxes and earns more than $20,000 a year, according to the Tax Policy Center.
    For 50 percent of those that don’t pay federal income taxes, standard deductions and personal exemptions are enough to counteract their taxable earnings. A couple with two children earning less than $26,400, for example, will pay no federal income tax in 2011 because their $11,600 standard deduction and four exemptions of $3,700 cuts their taxable income to nil.
    22 percent are senior citizens who get a more generous standard deduction, can exclude some or all of their Social Security income and may have tax-exempt interest from mutual funds and municipal bonds. For those who itemize, charitable contributions and medical expense deductions also subtract from their tax liability.
    15 percent...
















    The Tax Policy Center’s estimate means that some 76 million households won’t pay federal income tax in 2011. But they still owe other taxes. About two-thirds pay payroll taxes, and most pay state and local income and sales taxes as well as excise taxes on gas, tobacco, cigarettes and alcohol. Of the one third who don’t pay payroll taxes, more than half are elderly who no longer work, and just under half are families with incomes under $20,000. Only about 1 percent of the population pays neither income nor payroll taxes and earns more than $20,000 a year, according to the Tax Policy Center.
    For 50 percent of those that don’t pay federal income taxes, standard deductions and personal exemptions are enough to counteract their taxable earnings. A couple with two children earning less than $26,400, for example, will pay no federal income tax in 2011 because their $11,600 standard deduction and four exemptions of $3,700 cuts their taxable income to nil.
    22 percent are senior citizens who get a more generous standard deduction, can exclude some or all of their Social Security income and may have tax-exempt interest from mutual funds and municipal bonds. For those who itemize, charitable contributions and medical expense deductions also subtract from their tax liability.
    15 percent are working families, many of them low-income, who qualify for one or all of the Earned Income tax credit, the Child tax credit, the Child and Dependent Care tax credit. The earned-income credit is fully refundable, and the Child credit is partially refundable this year, meaning some households may get refunds from the government even if they owe no income taxes.
    The remaining 13 percent are a mix of mostly higher-income individuals with enough itemized deductions for items like mortgage interest, health payments, or charitable contributions, education tax credits, or tax exempt interest to zero out their income taxes.
    “It’s wrong to rail on the 46 percent of people who don't pay income tax,” said Paul Caron, a tax professor at the University of Cincinnati College of Law. “A fairer analysis takes into account all taxes paid—and by this measure, everyone has tax skin in the game,” he said.



    includes a significant number of people who have been unemployed the entire year and cannot find work.) Moreover, low-income households as a whole do, in fact, pay federal taxes. Congressional Budget Office data show that the poorest fifth of households as a group paid an average of 4 percent of their incomes in federal taxes in 2007 (the latest year for which these data are available), not an insignificant amount given how modest these households’ incomes are — the poorest fifth of households had average income of $18,400 in 2007. [4] The next-to-the bottom fifth — those with incomes between $20,500 and $34,300 in 2007 — paid an average of 10 percent of their incomes in federal taxes.

    Even these figures understate low-income households’ total tax burden, because these households also pay substantial state and local taxes. Data from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy show that the poorest fifth of households paid a stunning 12.3 percent of their incomes in state and local taxes in 2010.[5]
    When all federal, state, and local taxes are taken into account,the bottom fifth of households paid 16.3 percent of their incomes in taxes, on average, in 2010. The second-poorest fifth paid 20.7 percent. [6]
    It also is important to consider who the people are who don’t owe federal income tax in a given year.
    Some 70 percent of people who owe no federal income tax in a given year are low-income working households. These people do pay payroll taxes, as well as federal excise taxes (and, as noted, state and local taxes). Most of these working households also pay federal income tax in other years, when their incomes are higher — which can be seen by looking at the low-income working households that receive the Earned Income Tax Credit (see next bullet).
    The majority of EITC recipients receive the credit for only one or two years at a time, such as when their incomes drop due to a temporary layoff; they pay federal income tax in other years. In fact, EITC recipients pay much more in federal income taxes over time than they receive in EITC benefits. A leading study of this issue found that taxpayers who claimed the EITC at least once during an 18-year period paid a net $473 billion in federal income tax over that period (in 2006 dollars). [7] This finding shows that — while in any single year some taxpayers will receive refundable tax credits whose value may exceed their payroll tax liability — EITC recipients as a group pay significant federal income taxes over time in addition to the payroll and state and local taxes they pay each year.
    The fact that most people who do not pay federal income tax in a given year do pay substantial amounts of other taxes, and also are net federal income taxpayers over time, belies the claim that households that don’t owe income tax will form bad policy judgments because they ostensibly “don’t have any skin in the game.”



    Yes these people have it so nice...
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  • Charge mich52 2012/04/18 19:09:29
    Charge
    Here is one for you, the people that need help the most get nothing... did you know that people with NO reportable
    income, (such as non-taxable social security, or a single mother that just has child support), gets absolutely NOTHING; they however still pay sales taxes etc.
    Where is the fairness in that?
    Refundable credits are only handed out if you earn income, not based on need.
  • mich52 Charge 2012/04/18 21:28:05
    mich52
    Obviously credits are only given if you made enough to file, none of our tax code is fair...
  • Charge mich52 2012/04/19 14:32:22
    Charge
    Interesting that social security and Child support don't count toward getting credits.
  • mich52 Lady Wh... 2012/04/18 00:57:12
    mich52
    +2
    I think most of these Cons. don't understand what a super-majority is...
  • Lady Wh... mich52 2012/04/18 09:56:27
    Lady Whitewolf
    true
  • john Kills 2012/04/17 19:27:46
    Undecided
    john Kills
    +3
    Barry and congress did not change any bush ( new world order ) policies. They extended and expanded the policies that barry still continues to blame. Some people are still dumb enough to not see that and support barry anyway.
  • Fred 2012/04/17 19:06:09
    Undecided
    Fred
    +3
    Because they knew Bush was right ...
  • Wolfman 2012/04/17 18:56:33
    Undecided
    Wolfman
    +2
    They were afraid of voter backlash.
  • Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/04/17 18:56:07 (edited)
    Undecided
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    They never intended to. Congress and the president are owned by big banks (Bailout) and major corporations (like GE that pays 0% in taxes). They will never do anything to hurt their masters' profits.



    As for whether the Bush tax cuts are are good thing. I dont know, because I'm no expert with our increasingly complex tax code (its length dwarfs all of Shakespeare's works combined). I think we should simply abolish income tax.
  • Kane Fernau 2012/04/17 18:55:34
    They were lazy...
    Kane Fernau
    +1
    GREAT QUESTION!!!
  • Splashfairy 2012/04/17 18:51:56
    Undecided
    Splashfairy
    +2
    They were afraid of how the 2010 elections would result. (And for good reason, too!) Besides, they are now packin' the punch on taxes in the name of fairness. You know...the Buffet Rule which will only bring in 5 Billion...just a drop in the bucket of our looming debt. They are probably so obsessed with what the next out of control spending project should be that as typical of the Dems..they've not taken the time or care to decide how to pay for it. To them, govt. spending is a blank check. They helped Bush spend the last 2 yrs. of his Presidency & they are helping Obama spend it now!
  • The Reaper 2012/04/17 18:40:45
    They were lazy...
    The Reaper
    +2
    Many times we elect ppl who just can't get the job done because just how comfortable those chairs are they sit in, this was the case with the democrats! senate
  • Kern 2012/04/17 18:40:43
    They couldn't...
    Kern
    +5
    I know that the Democrats had a majority, but it wasn't a super majority. They had Joe Lieberman, an independent who would voted with the Republicans. When Kennedy died, the really lost the super majority which meant they couldn't get it out of Cloture. They couldn't get the bill to the house floor.

    See, the new rule is you need 60 vote to get anything done. So, if the Willard wins, he will need 60 Republicans, and control of the house to get anything done. If that happens, I expect to see the Republican whine about how the Democrats are blocking everything they want to do. It will be the height of hypocrisy because the Republicans are blocking everything right now.
  • Kane Fe... Kern 2012/04/17 19:04:01
    Kane Fernau
    +2
    The Bush tax cuts expired at the end of 2011. They now are Obama's tax cuts.
  • Kern Kane Fe... 2012/04/17 19:31:42
    Kern
    +1
    First of all, thanks for agreeing with me in saying that the tax cuts are working. Why else would you shift blame to President Obama. Second, you know the Republicans were held the country captive by willing to let the country go into bankruptcy if the Tax cuts were left to die like they should have. The Republicans cried and whined about how the tax cuts would crush the economy.

    What was it that John "the crying man" Bohner said after the last time the Republicans wanted to not raise the debt limit so they could keep the Bush tax cuts intact? OH yeah, "I'm pretty happy because I got 98% of what I wanted." The result was a down grade of the country's credit rating.

    So go ahead and blame the Democrats for the tax cuts. That's all the more reason to get rid of them, right?
  • Kane Fe... Kern 2012/04/17 20:02:50
  • Kern Kane Fe... 2012/04/17 20:33:20
    Kern
    +2
    I like this thought process. The tax cuts relieved us of $3 trillion dollars we would have used to pay bills and pay down the national debt. Now that the Republican polices have sent this country into the toilet, we need to continue them.

    Like all Republicans, you tell half the story. Larry Summers was talking about extending the Bush tax cuts for the middle class. He didn't want the Democrats to get into a pissing contest with the Republicans and not extend the tax cuts for the middle class at the because the Republicans wanted the tax cuts for the wealthy also extended. Not extending the tax cuts for the middle class would have hurt the economy. Stopping the tax cuts for the wealthy would not have hurt the economy.

    The Republicans were looking for an all or nothing deal. Keep all of the tax cuts or none of them. Their leverage was extending unemployment benefits. The They wouldn't let the tax cuts for the wealth expire without taking the tax cuts away from everyone else. The Republicans said that we needed to let the "job creators" keep the money so they would create jobs.

    We know that giving tax cuts to the rich doesn't create jobs. How do I know? Ask Willard. How many jobs has Willard created with his Bush tax cuts? I'm guess none. Willard is not a "job creator."

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    I like this thought process. The tax cuts relieved us of $3 trillion dollars we would have used to pay bills and pay down the national debt. Now that the Republican polices have sent this country into the toilet, we need to continue them.

    Like all Republicans, you tell half the story. Larry Summers was talking about extending the Bush tax cuts for the middle class. He didn't want the Democrats to get into a pissing contest with the Republicans and not extend the tax cuts for the middle class at the because the Republicans wanted the tax cuts for the wealthy also extended. Not extending the tax cuts for the middle class would have hurt the economy. Stopping the tax cuts for the wealthy would not have hurt the economy.

    The Republicans were looking for an all or nothing deal. Keep all of the tax cuts or none of them. Their leverage was extending unemployment benefits. The They wouldn't let the tax cuts for the wealth expire without taking the tax cuts away from everyone else. The Republicans said that we needed to let the "job creators" keep the money so they would create jobs.

    We know that giving tax cuts to the rich doesn't create jobs. How do I know? Ask Willard. How many jobs has Willard created with his Bush tax cuts? I'm guess none. Willard is not a "job creator."

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news...
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  • Kane Fe... Kern 2012/04/17 20:58:21
  • Kern Kane Fe... 2012/04/17 21:09:06
    Kern
    +2
    And now we know that only the tax cuts for the middle and lower class would help because the wealthy "job creators" simply put the money in the bank. Larry Summers was wrong in thinking that tax cuts for the wealthy would do any good. Correct? Correct. See link above.
  • Kane Fe... Kern 2012/04/17 22:42:42
  • Kern Kane Fe... 2012/04/18 02:30:14
    Kern
    This article tells me a lot of things. For one, the Republicans have been lying when they say Obama has raised taxes. The Republicans were unwilling to work with the Democrats on anything. The Bush tax cut put a 3 trillion dollar hole in the federal budget and did nothing to compensate for it.

    It also tells me that, since the Republican policies destroyed the economy, we are stuck in a hole that cannot be fixed by simply cutting spending.

    I would be in favor of letting the tax cuts for the wealthy expire because, as we all know, they don't use to create jobs. Keeping tax incentives for people who do create jobs, manufacturing should be kept in place. I could care less about the estate tax going up.

    Finally, the Republicans will try to shut down the government once again but are at a disadvantage this round. I would be willing to be control of the government that Obama's polices, which are not very liberal will be better for the economy than Romney's. All Romney wants to do is give himself a giant tax cut, like he needs more money to put into an offshore account.
  • Kane Fe... Kern 2012/04/18 04:18:17
  • Kern Kane Fe... 2012/04/18 14:07:20
    Kern
    You are crazy. You tell me a lot in tha short paragraph.

    You admit that he Democrats are willing to work with the Republicans. The Republicans are not willing ot work with President Obama. So blaming the Democrats for compramising with Bush is stupid. The Republicans had controll of both houses and the White House. Now that your polices have sent the country down a rat hole, it's not your fault?

    The recession Bush inherited was worse than what Obama inhetited? Really, you're going to run with that? Did Bush inherit an economy that was losing 750,000 jobs a month? Did Bush's economy shrink by 9%? No. If you're going to state something, please stick to reality.

    Have fun in la la land.
  • Kane Fe... Kern 2012/04/18 15:44:18 (edited)
    Kane Fernau
    Dude., What rock do you live under? Obamacare is the perfect example of democrats working with Republicans. Obama's regime has zero answers to economic problems except RAISE TAXES. The recession wasn't worse the 9/11 terrorist that Bush inherited attack cost the country $3.3 Trillion. The economy was going strong in 2006. Then democrats took control of the House and Senate leaving Bush a lame duck. 2 years after dems took control they created the 2008 Financial Meltdown.

    Greedy Wall Street Investment Bankers /Deregulation of the financial industry

    Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the CRA

    Poor people buying houses they can’t afford.
  • Kern Kane Fe... 2012/04/18 17:58:57
    Kern
    What policies did the Democrats force Bush to pass that pushed the economy down the toilet?

    From what I've read, 911 cost between $280 billion to $5 trillion over the last 10 years, so thanks for not padding the numbers. What it didn't cost is 8 million jobs. The collapse of the housing marker and the collapse of the financial industry cost the country 8 million jobs.

    The housing crises was caused by the Gramm Blily act, put into Clinton's last budget. It destroyed the firewall setup by the Glass Steagal act. Because of the Gramm Blily act, financial institutions like Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers were able to split sub prime mortgages into derivatives which the financial institution were selling to everyone. It's called Republican deregulation.

    Mortgages back by CRA regulations 70% less likely to go into foreclosure.

    http://www.businessweek.com/i...

    President Obama has lowered taxes. Taxes are at a 60 year low. He lowered taxes on small business 17 times. He lowered taxes for middle the lower and middle class.

    How many Republicans voted for Obama Care? 1 House Republican House member and 2 Republican Senators voted for Obama care. Not exactly a bipartisan vote, is it.

    The next we go to war, maybe, just maybe cutting taxing and increasing spending will be looked at as a bad...
    What policies did the Democrats force Bush to pass that pushed the economy down the toilet?

    From what I've read, 911 cost between $280 billion to $5 trillion over the last 10 years, so thanks for not padding the numbers. What it didn't cost is 8 million jobs. The collapse of the housing marker and the collapse of the financial industry cost the country 8 million jobs.

    The housing crises was caused by the Gramm Blily act, put into Clinton's last budget. It destroyed the firewall setup by the Glass Steagal act. Because of the Gramm Blily act, financial institutions like Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers were able to split sub prime mortgages into derivatives which the financial institution were selling to everyone. It's called Republican deregulation.

    Mortgages back by CRA regulations 70% less likely to go into foreclosure.

    http://www.businessweek.com/i...

    President Obama has lowered taxes. Taxes are at a 60 year low. He lowered taxes on small business 17 times. He lowered taxes for middle the lower and middle class.

    How many Republicans voted for Obama Care? 1 House Republican House member and 2 Republican Senators voted for Obama care. Not exactly a bipartisan vote, is it.

    The next we go to war, maybe, just maybe cutting taxing and increasing spending will be looked at as a bad idea. But that will only happen if we don't have a borrow and spend Republican in the White House. On average, Democratic presidents grow the economy more than Republican presidents. Look it up.
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