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Why did police officer fire gas canister into crowd trying to help
injured Iraq veteran? Protesters take to the streets of New York and
Oakland in solidarity after Marine was left in critical condition

  • Ex-Marine Scott Olsen, 24, of Daly City, California, served in Iraq in 2006 and 2007 - and was hit in California protests
  • Anger over Oakland police ‘brutality’ fans across America as protesters march in solidarity with Olsen on Wednesday
  • Occupy Oakland activists trying to reclaim camp they were in for 15 days - until police evicted them early on Tuesday
  • More trouble on Tuesday at 5pm when 400 people marched towards Frank Ogawa Plaza, which police surrounded
  • Conditions in the Oakland camp were thought to have become unsavoury as tented town became semi-permanent
  • Some protesters threw turquoise and red paint at riot police officers last night and others reportedly threw rocks
  • Meanwhile in Atlanta, Georgia, dozens of protesters were evicted from a park and 53 were arrested by police


By
Mark Duell and Hannah Roberts

Last updated at 9:01 AM on 28th October 2011








Protesters took to
the streets of New York and Oakland in force last night as anger boiled
over after a two tour Iraq veteran was left seriously injured when he
was blasted in the face by a police tear gas canister.


War hero Scott Olsen, 24, was hospitalised in
a serious condition after he suffered a fractured skull during a
march with other protesters in the Californian city on Tuesday night.

Questions
were today being asked of how police handled the situation after videos
emerged of an officer throwing a gas canister into the crowd after they
had rushed to help Mr Olsen, who was on the floor.


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March for solidarity: Occupy Wall Street protesters in New York marched on Wednesday night in support of their fellow campaigners in Oakland after there were claims of police brutality in the city

New
York: Occupy Wall Street protesters marched
in support of their fellow campaigners in Oakland after word spread of
two-tour Iraq veteran Scott Olsen, who was left critically injured after
being hit in the face by a police tear gas canister



Coast to coast: Protesters were out again in Oakland, California, on Wednesday night after one of their fellow demonstrators Scott Olsen, an Iraq War veteran, was seriously injured by a tear gas canister

California:
Protesters returned to the streets of Oakland for a second night of
marching. The police have been accused of unnecessary brutality after
officers fired tear gas into the crowds during Tuesday night's protest



War hero: Two tour Iraq veteran Scott Olsen was left critically injured after being hit in the face by a police tear gas canister during a March through Oakland, California on Tuesday night

War hero: Two tour Iraq veteran Scott Olsen was
left critically injured after being hit in the face by a police tear gas
canister during a March through Oakland, California on Tuesday night


In
a show of solidarity on Wednesday, Occupy Wall Street protesters left their tents for
an impromptu march which caused widespread disruption as it spread
across New York, causing police to shut roads and make several arrests.

And
campaigners in Oakland redoubled their efforts, returning to the
streets for a second night of marching after accusing police of using
unnecessary force by firing tear gas on a crowd during Tuesday evening's
protests.

In New York, several hundred
protesters began marching from Zuccotti Park, the base of the Occupy
Wall Street movement, towards City Hall Park which was cordoned off.




The march splintered off into several
smaller groups, some of which were confronted by the police.


At some intersections,
marchers were met with a line of police motorcycles or mesh barriers
blocking access to the road.


The march ended peacefully shortly
after 11pm, as the largest group of protesters walked back to Zuccotti
Park, followed by a line of NYPD patrol cars.


In California, the demonstrators had
been making an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of a
disbanded protesters' camp when they were met by officers in riot gear
as tensions grew over demonstration encampments across the San Francisco Bay Area.




War hero Scott Olsen, 24, was hospitalised in a serious condition after he suffered a fractured skull during a march with other protesters in the Californian city on Tuesday night. Occupy Oakland


War hero Scott Olsen, 24, was hospitalised in a serious condition after he suffered a fractured skull during a march with other protesters in the Californian city on Tuesday night. Occupy Oakland


Hit: Scott Olsen is on the ground as other
protesters rush to help him, left, until they run away when a tear gas
canister is thrown into the crowd from police, right






War hero Scott Olsen, 24, was hospitalised in a serious condition after he suffered a fractured skull during a march with other protesters in the Californian city on Tuesday night. Occupy Oakland


War hero Scott Olsen, 24, was hospitalised in a serious condition after he suffered a fractured skull during a march with other protesters in the Californian city on Tuesday night. Occupy Oakland


Injured: Mr Olsen's face was bleeding badly
after the incident as other protesters helped him out, left, when the canister was thrown, right (highlighted as it was flying)


Bloodied: Violence broke out in running battles between police and protesters as they tried to retake the camp in Frank Ogawa Plaza on Tuesday

Bloodied: Violence broke out in running battles
between police and protesters as they tried to retake the camp in Frank
Ogawa Plaza on Tuesday


Shocking: Mr Olsen has a scarf pressed to his bleeding wound by fellow protesters as he lies on the ground

Shocking: Mr Olsen has a scarf pressed to his bleeding wound by fellow protesters as he lies on the ground



Occupy Oakland


Scott Olsen


Soldier: Scott Olsen is pictured on the right
just before he was injured by police officers, left, and also as a
Marine when he was serving in Iraq, right



Solidarity: A picture of Scott Olsen, 24, the former Marine who was shot in the head by a police projectile during a protest on Tuesday night, is surrounded by candles during a demonstration on Wednesday in Oakland, California

Solidarity: A picture of Scott Olsen, 24, the
former Marine who was shot in the head by a police projectile during a
protest on Tuesday night, is surrounded by candles during a
demonstration on Wednesday in Oakland, California


It's not known exactly what type
of object struck Mr Olsen or who might have thrown it, though it is believed to have been by officers.

'It's
unfortunate it happened. I wish that it didn't happen. Our goal,
obviously, isn't to cause injury to anyone'

Police Chief Howard Jordan


Several small skirmishes had broken out
in the night with police clearing the area by firing tear gas and
protesters throwing rocks and bottles at them.

Police Chief Howard Jordan said at
a late afternoon news conference that the events leading up to Olsen's
injury would be investigated as vigorously as a fatal police shooting.

'It's
unfortunate it happened,' he said. 'I wish that it didn't happen. Our goal,
obviously, isn't to cause injury to anyone.'


Mr
Olsen, a Marine veteran, was in critical condition on Wednesday after
he had been struck, said a spokesman for Highland Hospital in Oakland.

His
mother, Sandra Olsen, only found out about the incident when her
daughter saw it on Facebook. 'It's very, very upsetting,' she told
WISN-TV. 'We want our son to be OK. We're just worried about that end of
it. Hopefully there won't be long lasting brain damage.'


Taken away: An Occupy Wall Street demonstrator is arrested during a march in solidarity with their sister protest in Oakland, California, on Wednesday, in New York

Taken away: An Occupy Wall Street demonstrator
is arrested during a march in solidarity with their sister protest in
Oakland, California, on Wednesday, in New York






Flashpoint: Protesters were marching in Oakland after being cleared from their encampment on Frank Ogawa Plaza. Violence erupted with police firing tear gas into the crowd

Flashpoint: Protesters were marching in Oakland
after being cleared from their encampment on Frank Ogawa Plaza. Violence
erupted with police firing tear gas into the crowd




Solidarity: In New York, Occupy Wall Street protesters take to the streets to show support for their fellow demonstrators in Oakland

Solidarity: In New York, Occupy Wall Street
protesters take to the streets to show support for their fellow
demonstrators in Oakland



Support: In New York Occupy Wall Street demonstrators march outside Ground Zero after news spread of claims of police brutality on the streets of Oakland

Support: In New York Occupy Wall Street demonstrators march outside
Ground Zero after news spread of claims of police brutality on the
streets of Oakland





An Occupy Wall Street protester sits in a police van after being arrested


An Occupy Wall Street demonstrator is arrested during a march in solidarity with their sister protest in Oakland, California


Arrests: Two Occupy Wall Street demonstrators
are detained by police during the solidarity march in solidarity with
their sister protest in Oakland, California on Wednesday night


PROTESTORS EVICTED FROM ATLANTA CAMP

Dozens
of protesters were evicted early yesterday morning from a park in
Atlanta and 53 who refused to leave were arrested by police.

Police entered Woodruff Park just after midnight following two warnings to Occupy Wall Street demonstrators in the Georgia city.

Atlanta
Mayor Kasim Reed said demonstrators were becoming ‘increasingly
aggressive’ but said the arrests were made without incident.

They
had been camping in the park for nearly three weeks. He said last week
protesters could stay there at least until November 7.

But
he changed his mind last weekend after the protesters tried to hold a
concert without plans for adequate security or crowd control.

Mayor Reed said he had other safety concerns as the number of tents in the park increased to more than 75.


SCOTT OLSEN: FACT FILE

  • Age: 24

  • From: Onalaska, Wisconsin

  • Lives in: Daly City, California

  • Served in: 3rd Battalion, 4th Marines

  • Iraq service: 2006 and 2007


He said: 'It's unfortunate it happened. I wish that it didn't happen. Our goal, obviously, isn't to cause injury to anyone

An Oakland hospital spokesman said Mr Olsen, a network administrator in Daly City, was in critical condition on Wednesday.

Mr Olsen is also an Iraq Veterans
Against the War member and served in 3rd Battalion, 4th Marines. His
parents live in Wisconsin and they are expected to fly out to see him,
reported The Guardian.


'It's terrible to go over to Iraq
twice and come back injured, and then get injured by the police that are
supposed to be protecting us,' Mr Olsen's roommate Keith Shannon told
The Guardian, adding that he served in Iraq in 2006 and 2007 before
leaving the military last year.

'Oakland Police Department fired a tear
gas canister at his head, fracturing his skull,' said Mr Olsen's friend
Joshua Shepherd. A spokesman for Highland General Hospital confirmed
that Olsen was being treated for injuries sustained during the protest.

The protesters were trying to make
good on a vow to retake an encampment that Occupy Oakland activists had
remained in for 15 days, until police evicted them early on Tuesday.

The evening demonstration started
around 5pm, when about 400 people began marching from a public library
toward the plaza which police had surrounded. Trouble began about an
hour into the protest, with officers in riot gear blocking in
protesters.



Some threw turquoise and red paint
at the riot police officers' faces and helmets while others pleaded for
a peaceful protest. Protesters who tried to fight with police and were
clubbed and kicked in return.

Authorities were denying reports
that they used flash bang canisters to help break up the crowd, saying
the loud noises came from firecrackers thrown at police by protesters.



Anger: Occupy Oakland protesters gather outside City Hall to protest against the city's action to take down the their encampment

Anger: Occupy Oakland protesters gather outside
City Hall to protest against the city's action to take down the their
encampment



Inquiry: Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan seen here with Mayor Jean Quan and City Administrator Deanna J. Santana, said Iraq Veteran Scott Olsen's injury would be investigated as vigorously as a fatal police shooting

Inquiry: Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan, seen here with Mayor Jean
Quan and City Administrator Deanna J. Santana, said Iraq Veteran Scott
Olsen's injury would be investigated as vigorously as a fatal police
shooting




Accusations: Oakland protestors have claimed the police used unnecessary brutality during protests on Tuesday night

Accusations: Oakland demonstrators have claimed the police used unnecessary brutality during protests on Tuesday night


The number of protesters diminished
with each round of tear gas. Police estimated that there were roughly
1,000 demonstrators at the first clash following the march.

About 200 remained after the final
conflict around 11:15pm on Tuesday night - mostly young adults, some
riding bicycles, protecting themselves from the noxious fumes with
bandanas and scarves wrapped around their faces.


'This movement is more than just
the people versus the police,' Mario Fernandez said on Tuesday night.
'It's about the people trying to have their rights to basic services.
This crowd isn't going anywhere anytime soon.'

City
officials said that two officers were injured. At least five protesters
were arrested and several others injured in the evening clashes. But
city officials said 97 people were arrested in the Tuesday morning raid
on the camp.





Heavy-handed tactics: A woman in a wheelchair covers her mouth after police in Oakland, California, released tear gas to disperse Occupy Wall Street protesters

Heavy-handed tactics: A woman in a wheelchair
covers her mouth after police in Oakland, California, released tear gas
to disperse Occupy Wall Street protesters



Getting away: The Occupy Wall Street demonstrator in a wheelchair is pushed away as authorities deploy tear gas in Oakland, California

Getting away: The Occupy Wall Street
demonstrator in a wheelchair is pushed away as authorities deploy tear
gas in Oakland, California






Warnings: Occupy Wall Street protesters flee after police deploy tear gas to disperse a crowd of around 400 that gathered in Oakland city centre

Warnings: Occupy Wall Street protesters flee
after police deploy tear gas to disperse a crowd of around 400 that
gathered in Oakland city centre



Not giving up: The Occupy Wall Street campaigners returned to try to retake the camp that had been cleared earlier in the day in Oakland

Not giving up: The Occupy Wall Street
campaigners returned to try to retake the camp that had been cleared
earlier in the day in Oakland


Scary sight: Occupy Wall Street protesters run from tear gas deployed by police at 14th Street and Broadway in Oakland, California, on Tuesday

Scary sight: Occupy Wall Street protesters run
from tear gas deployed by police at 14th Street and Broadway in Oakland,
California, on Tuesday




Night lights: Police prepare to enter Occupy Oakland's City Hall encampment on Tuesday night after they cleared the protesters on Tuesday morning

Night lights: Police prepare to enter Occupy
Oakland's City Hall encampment on Tuesday night after they cleared the
protesters on Tuesday morning





Bring it: A group of police officers stand ready near Oakland City Hall, as Occupy Wall Street demonstrators rally against the early morning police raid

Bring it: A group of police officers stand ready
near Oakland City Hall, as Occupy Wall Street demonstrators rally
against the early morning police raid





Banners: A group of Occupy Wall Street demonstrators chant in Oakland's financial district during a demonstration in response to the early morning police raid

Banners: A group of Occupy Wall Street
demonstrators chant in Oakland's financial district during a
demonstration in response to the early morning police raid





Dispersing: Police fire tear gas into a crowd of hundreds of Occupy Oakland protesters on Tuesday night as they tried to retake a camp

Dispersing: Police fire tear gas into a crowd of
hundreds of Occupy Oakland protesters on Tuesday night as they tried to
retake a camp




Accused: Those arrested face charges for camping or assembling without a permit in Frank Ogawa Plaza in Oakland

Accused: Those arrested face charges for camping or assembling without a permit in Frank Ogawa Plaza in Oakland


Mayor Jean Quan said Oakland
supports the protesters' goals, but had to act when a small number of
them threw rocks, paint and bottles at the police.


'Over
the last week it was apparent that neither the demonstrators nor the
city could maintain safe or sanitary conditions, or control the ongoing
vandalism'

Oakland Mayor Jean Quan

'We had, on one hand,
demonstrators who tried to rush banks, other demonstrators saying don't
do that, and we had police officers, for the most part, 99 per cent, who
took a lot of abuse,' the mayor said. 'So yesterday was a sad day for
us.'

Jordan said an internal review
board and local prosecutors have been asked to determine if officers on
the scene used excessive force. He asked witnesses with recordings of
violent interactions between civilians and the officers who came from
several Bay Area agencies to submit them to investigators.


The clash on Tuesday evening came
as officials complained about what they described as deteriorating
safety, sanitation and health issues at the dismantled camp.


The same concerns were being
raised by San Francisco officials who warned protesters on Wednesday
that they could face arrest if they continue camping in a city plaza. In
a letter, Police Chief Greg Suhr said the protesters could be arrested
for violating a variety of city laws against camping, cooking, urinating
and littering in public parks.



Attacked: A policeman is hit in the neck with red paint after the protest turned angry when the encampment was cleared and arrests made

Attacked: A policeman is hit in the neck with
red paint after the protest turned angry when the encampment was cleared
and arrests made




Pulling it down: Oakland police search tents of Occupy Wall Street demonstrators (left) and release tear gas around the plaza early yesterday


Pulling it down: Oakland police search tents of Occupy Wall Street demonstrators (left) and release tear gas around the plaza early yesterday


Pulling it down: Oakland police search tents of
Occupy Wall Street demonstrators (left) and release tear gas around the
plaza early yesterday



Coming face to face: Conditions in the Oakland camp are thought to have quickly become unsavoury with protesters confronting officers in full riot gear

Coming face to face: Conditions in the Oakland
camp are thought to have quickly become unsavoury with protesters
confronting officers in full riot gear



Debris: The plaza remained cordoned off at midday yesterday for a clean-up after it was cleared for being unsanitary, according to local authorities

Debris: The plaza remained cordoned off at
midday yesterday for a clean-up after it was cleared for being
unsanitary, according to local authorities




Cast out: An Occupy Oakland demonstrator watches from behind a barricade following the eviction after police officers deemed it necessary to clear the site for being unsafe


Cast out: An Occupy Oakland demonstrator watches from behind a barricade following the eviction after police officers deemed it necessary to clear the site for being unsafe


Cast out: An Occupy Oakland demonstrator watches
from behind a barricade following the eviction after police officers
decided to clear the site for being unsafe

The city claimed conditions at the
Oakland plaza had begun to deteriorate by the second week of the
protests with police, fire and medical care reporting they were denied
access to the plaza to respond to service calls. The city also said it
had received reports of a sexual assault and a severe beating.


Officials also said the plaza was
damaged by graffiti, litter and vandalism. Hundreds of demonstrators
have been arrested in New York since the protests began. There have also
been numerous arrests in other cities.

'This movement is more than just the
people versus the police. It's
about the people trying to have their rights to basic services. This
crowd isn't going anywhere anytime soon'

Mario Fernandez, protester

'Existing and ongoing violations
make you subject to arrest,' Suhr wrote in the notice, but didn't say if
or when arrests would occur.

Police have taken down a previous
Occupy San Francisco camp in the Justin Herman Plaza and also cleared
another camp outside the Federal Reserve Bank downtown.


Police estimated at least five protesters were arrested and several others injured in the Tuesday evening clashes.


Oakland City Administrator Deana
Santana said protestors would be allowed to assemble in the plaza
outside City Hall from 6am to 10pm. She pleaded with those who planned
to make another stand there to refrain from smashing windows, lighting
fires and attempting to stay overnight.


'If we could have these simple, reasonable requests, we think we can assure safety in the streets tonight,' Santana said.


The demonstrators are angry at
government bailouts of big banks, high unemployment, and economic
inequality in the U.S. Demonstrations have spread across the nation and
overseas, although crowds remain relatively small in most cities.



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  • keymanjim 2011/10/31 03:42:07 (edited)
    GodBless our Vets and Troops!!!
    keymanjim
    +6
    Would this be the same Iraq veteran that did two rough and tumble tours as a warehouse clerk?

    The same veterann that, while still on active duty, launched a web site called "ihatethemarinecorps.com"?

    The same veteranan who loved the Marine corps so much that he took advantage of the early out program to get away from them?

    If you feel to need to describe this scumbag you would be better of saying what he is now, a software company employee. Because describing him as a Marine or a vet would be a disgrace to all who served honorably.

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  • kobidobidog 2011/11/01 04:05:12 (edited)
    New York and Oakland Cops are mean
    kobidobidog
    There is no reason to fire anything at anyone. The concept of firing is from the devil wanting to giver fire. Jesus who is God gives good things, and living water unto everlasting life. A canister might as well have been a stone having the same affect as a stone. Let this be a lesson to never throw stones at anyone physically or with hateful words. The reason we have cops is because we are in a godless nation that is the opposite that of what they say they are. Jesus would never fire anything at anyone. Those cops had better repent, and I think they are repenting backing off, and leaving the humans alone. That canister firing shook the police to their core. I think things will be different from now on. The demonstrators are showing Jesus is in them not retaliating like so many have done before when someone has been hurt by a policeman. The humans holding their cool even in adversity will save their soul even if an idiot takes their pysical life way. Cops don't protect . That can be demonstrated in this canister firing, and countless confrontations killing, and hurting humans, and arresting them for what amounts to nothing like having sex of whatever kind, and nudity too. Police are paid to arrest, and control humans. it is a called a police state trying to give it a pretty fa...
    There is no reason to fire anything at anyone. The concept of firing is from the devil wanting to giver fire. Jesus who is God gives good things, and living water unto everlasting life. A canister might as well have been a stone having the same affect as a stone. Let this be a lesson to never throw stones at anyone physically or with hateful words. The reason we have cops is because we are in a godless nation that is the opposite that of what they say they are. Jesus would never fire anything at anyone. Those cops had better repent, and I think they are repenting backing off, and leaving the humans alone. That canister firing shook the police to their core. I think things will be different from now on. The demonstrators are showing Jesus is in them not retaliating like so many have done before when someone has been hurt by a policeman. The humans holding their cool even in adversity will save their soul even if an idiot takes their pysical life way. Cops don't protect . That can be demonstrated in this canister firing, and countless confrontations killing, and hurting humans, and arresting them for what amounts to nothing like having sex of whatever kind, and nudity too. Police are paid to arrest, and control humans. it is a called a police state trying to give it a pretty face. Jesus in us doing good saves the soul. A police man dying being assaulted will save his soul. Killing loses his soul. We need to understand that. Not understanding that makes devils in men lust to war.The police killing to save their skin teaches humans killing is good. We have to teach the opposite to that. To so so will thwart the devils plan to rob God of souls. The problems we have is a direct cause, and effect of having money that God did not make. We have to sever our dependence on it, and be giving as God, and all the things that grow made by God. Then be honest, compassionate ,meek, giving, and forgiving even as Jesus is being like a trusting child. Humans need to know that saving the soul is by far the most important thing we can ever do in this short life suspended in eternity. Loving like Jesus who is God will do that. Then give him all the glory to be able to do any good whatsoever. Eliminate money, and we will also eliminate protests like what is seen all over this nation.
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  • LesWaggoner BN 1 2011/11/01 03:41:51
    All of the above
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    Those in authority are trying to stifle legitimate protest through new regulations limiting access and use of force.

    I was ambivalent about the protests when they started but now I support the OWS right to protest.
  • betz 2011/10/31 10:40:23
    GodBless our Vets and Troops!!!
    betz
    Of course I am thankful for our veterans and troops. Who isn't? To answer your question it would be my guess the tear gas was used as a proactive measure. Law enforcement realized things were getting out of control which would probably lead to total chaos. This in turn would have lead to more injuries. I applaud the police for taking charge of this mob.
  • santanasmooth 2011/10/31 07:05:09
    Americans have a legal right to protest
    santanasmooth
    The Cops do what ever the politicians want, anytime they are told to they provoke a situation and crack heads.
  • kim 2011/10/31 05:29:26
    Respect our veterans don't abuse them
    kim
    I wish we could say it was defective, but in this case it was the officers not seeing through the protesters and aiding those injured in the areas they shot the tear gas. seeing aide being given, they needed to defend the citizens. yes comon sense, critical thinking. its hard on both the officers and protesters. my heart breaks for the vetern whose injury is difficult to heal. I love you, vetern for your imput and voice,no matter what you have to say.please get well.
  • wolfshadow 2011/10/31 05:20:00
    Americans have a legal right to protest
    wolfshadow
    And an obligation to follow the law. All the protesters in Oakland were in violation and had been warned they would be gassed if they did not leave. Including the Vet.... having someone injured on either side doesn't stop the conflict. How many times have you seen a cop hit in the head with a rock and protesters call a time out?
  • Chris 2011/10/31 05:05:22
    All of the above
    Chris
    +1
    The police need to calm down, they couldn't dream of a more peaceful group of protesters.

  • Francisco Arguelles 2011/10/31 04:45:05
    Americans have a legal right to protest
    Francisco Arguelles
    +2
    because the government are a bunch of corrupt bastards protecting the money masters and not the best interest of the american people..
  • wolfshadow Francis... 2011/10/31 05:26:27
    wolfshadow
    +1
    Ah... but there in lies the rub... these people are not protesting the government... the people that over tax and spend more than they have.... they are protesting business... We need a change in government, not more control of business.
  • DennisSwanson 2011/10/31 04:40:39
    Respect our veterans don't abuse them
    DennisSwanson
    Probably a cop who couldn't make it in the military. oath keeper
  • wolfshadow DennisS... 2011/10/31 05:27:08
    wolfshadow
    +1
    That comment, combined with that photo shows you have no idea what the oath keepers are.
  • DennisS... wolfshadow 2011/10/31 05:37:22
    DennisSwanson
    Who do you think the oath keepers are?
  • wolfshadow DennisS... 2011/10/31 06:08:27
    wolfshadow
    I know who and what they are.
  • DennisS... wolfshadow 2011/10/31 15:48:39
    DennisSwanson
    You don't sound like the kind of person who would support them.
  • wolfshadow DennisS... 2011/10/31 19:09:01
    wolfshadow
    Then you need to wake the hell up... because the oath keepers are about law and order.
  • Diane 2011/10/31 04:25:10
    All of the above
    Diane
    +1
    I've heard conflicting stories on this and it still doesn't make sense.
  • CUDDLY ... Diane 2011/10/31 04:35:37
  • Diane CUDDLY ... 2011/10/31 04:36:30
    Diane
    +1
    Thanks.
  • CUDDLY ... Diane 2011/10/31 04:39:57
    CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY
    YW. Google it too. All sorts of differing stories apart from the one Obama's lamestream media is broadcasting ...................
  • Fannie 2011/10/31 04:03:52
    All of the above
    Fannie
    +2
    Incompetence
  • CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY 2011/10/31 03:51:06
    All of the above
    CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY
    +4
    Well, if you read the differing versions of this story you'll find there is one glaring discrepancy of which I am unable to explain. I wasn't there, neither were you:

    1) the vet in question authors and runs a website that severely knocks his fellow Marines even after he has been reported as having served 2 tours in Iraq. One has to wonder what type of person would do such a thing.

    Here's a link, read it yourself:

    http://patdollard.com/2011/10...
  • Michael... CUDDLY ... 2011/10/31 08:04:33
    Michael Steward
    +1
    i read that he was a homo.
  • CUDDLY ... Michael... 2011/10/31 19:54:15
    CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY
    zombietime.com
  • Michael... CUDDLY ... 2011/11/01 03:26:48
    Michael Steward
    +1
    well, he looks like a homo. i certainly don't think he looks combat hardened.
  • Denny 2011/10/31 03:45:13 (edited)
    GodBless our Vets and Troops!!!
    Denny
    +4
    On the news they asked the Oakland Police chief what happened, Why did they order teargas, rubber bullets, ETC. and he said that OWS was throwing rocks and bottles. They then asked a "leader" of the OWS persons if in fact they were throwing rocks and she says " welllll Yeah" but the police action is inappropiate. So anyone who wants to help the police please send bottles and rocks that they can throw at the crowd in self defense. Tell me are there any of these people who can hold down a job???
  • Diane Denny 2011/10/31 04:35:44
    Diane
    +1
    The police sounded credible to me- that maybe after all they weren't the ones responsible. But what I don't understand is the purpose of throwing the tear gas canisters into the crowds?
  • wolfshadow Diane 2011/10/31 05:31:48
    wolfshadow
    To disperse the crowds.... how many times do you ask then tell people to leave before you start taking measures to make them leave?
  • Denny Diane 2011/10/31 15:54:03
    Denny
    From the ones I was involved with in training in the Army. I think they are shot like flares and they had to be fired or thrown at the crowd to get them in range to be effective. I'm convinced it would have been an accident. These kids playing police are not the evil robots that our soldiers are made out to be in the press.
  • Diane Denny 2011/10/31 17:57:35
    Diane
    +1
    Thanks for the explanation. I agree- it sounds like a pure accident IF it was the police and if so I think it would be unfare to prosecute anyone.
  • keymanjim 2011/10/31 03:42:07 (edited)
    GodBless our Vets and Troops!!!
    keymanjim
    +6
    Would this be the same Iraq veteran that did two rough and tumble tours as a warehouse clerk?

    The same veterann that, while still on active duty, launched a web site called "ihatethemarinecorps.com"?

    The same veteranan who loved the Marine corps so much that he took advantage of the early out program to get away from them?

    If you feel to need to describe this scumbag you would be better of saying what he is now, a software company employee. Because describing him as a Marine or a vet would be a disgrace to all who served honorably.
  • CUDDLY ... keymanjim 2011/10/31 03:53:19
    CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY
    +3
    The progressives and OWS were looking for they're Kent State moment. This wasn't it.
  • wolfshadow keymanjim 2011/10/31 05:32:16
    wolfshadow
    +2
    Yes... that would be the same Marine....
  • keymanjim wolfshadow 2011/10/31 11:28:25
    keymanjim
    +1
    No, that would be a software company employee. No Marine would disgrace the corps or himself like that.
  • wolfshadow keymanjim 2011/10/31 12:11:11 (edited)
    wolfshadow
    +1
    Okay... a little slow in the a.m.... I get it...

    =P
  • DOMINO keymanjim 2011/11/01 00:52:32
    DOMINO
    +1
    As a Marine myself ( 91-96 )....I can say that this pogue is NOT honorable and HAS NO CODE...Great comment as usual !!!!
  • atomikmom 2011/10/31 03:23:24
    All of the above
    atomikmom
    +3
    http://www,youtube.com

    Our Veterans and Troops deserve the Utmost of respect, not brutalized. They have seen enough violence in their lives with out coming home and getting more, from our public servants. This is down right cruel and savage. The prayers go out that fellow vet, and may Justice be served.
  • Michael... atomikmom 2011/10/31 08:06:08

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