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Why did J. Edgar Hoover and senior FBI officials describe the John Birch Society in FBI memos as "extremist", "irrational", "irresponsible", "fanatics" and "lunatic fringe" ??

ernie1241 2009/11/30 07:05:26
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  • goatman112003 2009/11/30 12:32:40
    Because the FBI recognized that extremist organizations (right and left) don'...
    goatman112003
    Actually being alive and remembering those times not old FBI records, it was a time of seeing reds all over the place. The soviets had placed the satellite in orbit which meant the U.S. could be hit by ICBM People remembered the reds getting the bomb by spies and our State department being infiltrated. I can remember 1956 Hungarian revolt and the resulting bloodshed. I also remember the long lists of subversive groups put out by the government. The John Birch society was a natural in Wisconsin as Tailgunner Joe had his power base there. The communist party had its political operatives here recruiting and operating. One of them tutored Obama in Hawaii. Move and countermove was the word of the day and it appearred the reds were winning overall with the extensions of the bamboo and iron curtains. To every action, there is an equal reaction , Newton's laws of physics and the Birch society was it.
  • ernie1241 goatman... 2009/11/30 14:51:32
    ernie1241
    I was alive too and remember the details quite well. FBI records include thousands of letters written by alarmed citizens who wrote to J. Edgar Hoover to inquire about the Birch Society. Many asked if JBS assertions were true. Others asked Hoover if he considered the JBS to be a legitimate, patriotic pro-American organization. Some letters expressed concern that the JBS was actually a Communist-front which hoped to discredit and undermine confidence in our national leadership -- thereby making subversion of our government and institutions easier.

    As you read FBI investigative files about the matters which Robert Welch and the JBS wrote and spoke about --- you can learn the degree to which the JBS analysis of events and personalities was totally hallucinatory.
  • goatman... ernie1241 2009/11/30 15:14:59
    goatman112003
    Both sides used disinformation to justify their ends whether it was the right or the left. The Kingston trio had that diddy If your mommy is a commie turn her in which you should remember. It was a time of chaos in many ways.
  • ernie1241 goatman... 2009/11/30 22:13:01 (edited)
    ernie1241
    Not equivalent, Goatman. Keep in mind this extremely important difference: The Birch Society accused virtually our entire national political leadership of being guilty of treason (communist, pro-communist, communist agent, and similar terms).

    At some point you have to wonder what would happen, if the JBS ever achieved power, to all those Americans who associated themselves with the viewpoints or positions adopted by organizations and individuals which the Birch Society defamed as un-American and subversive or traitors?

    By contrast, JBS critics sometimes made unfair, false, or hyperbolic comments about the JBS or its beliefs but nobody seriously proposed any curtailment of the rights of JBS members and sympathizers---nor did anyone propose legislation or any punitive measures against the JBS.

    Also -- one more point: The Birch Society and its surrogates were involved in numerous defamation lawsuits -- which they LOST. The most famous of which resulted in the JBS paying Chicago lawyer Elmer Gertz $100,000 in compensatory damages and $300,000 in punitive damages. Punitive damages are only permitted when "malice" can be shown -- i.e. "reckless disregard for truth". That sums up the JBS problem in a nutshell!
  • ernie1241 2009/11/30 07:09:26 (edited)
    Because the FBI recognized that extremist organizations (right and left) don'...
    ernie1241
    For details regarding why the FBI rejected the Birch Society and its assertions, see 90-page report based upon first-time-released FBI files and documents here:

    http://ernie1241.googlepages....


    Also:

    FBI FILES ON W. CLEON SKOUSEN:

    http://ernie1241.googlepages....

    FBI FILES ON DAN SMOOT:

    http://ernie1241.googlepages....

    DOCUMENTS PERTAINING TO JBS and EXTREME RIGHT:

    http://ernie1241.googlepages....

    Postscript:

    I posted a reply in another thread pertaining to whether or not the Birch Society has "relevance today" and one of the contributors (Bourne) deliberately lied about me by claiming that I have created "multiple accounts" here.

    Bourne also described me as "a lunatic". All of this is because Bourne cannot refute anything presented in my reports which are merely summaries of FBI investigative files pertaining to Birch Society assertions and conclusions.

    Bourne then had me blocked from responding to any message in that other thread -- because that is how totalitarian minds operate. Since they cannot refute factual data presented by someone they disagree with -- they immediately resort to censorship and fabrications.

    That is why J. Edgar Hoover, and senior FBI officials, as well as virtually the entire conservative and anti-communist communities in our country rejected the Birch Societ...
    For details regarding why the FBI rejected the Birch Society and its assertions, see 90-page report based upon first-time-released FBI files and documents here:

    http://ernie1241.googlepages....


    Also:

    FBI FILES ON W. CLEON SKOUSEN:

    http://ernie1241.googlepages....

    FBI FILES ON DAN SMOOT:

    http://ernie1241.googlepages....

    DOCUMENTS PERTAINING TO JBS and EXTREME RIGHT:

    http://ernie1241.googlepages....

    Postscript:

    I posted a reply in another thread pertaining to whether or not the Birch Society has "relevance today" and one of the contributors (Bourne) deliberately lied about me by claiming that I have created "multiple accounts" here.

    Bourne also described me as "a lunatic". All of this is because Bourne cannot refute anything presented in my reports which are merely summaries of FBI investigative files pertaining to Birch Society assertions and conclusions.

    Bourne then had me blocked from responding to any message in that other thread -- because that is how totalitarian minds operate. Since they cannot refute factual data presented by someone they disagree with -- they immediately resort to censorship and fabrications.

    That is why J. Edgar Hoover, and senior FBI officials, as well as virtually the entire conservative and anti-communist communities in our country rejected the Birch Society as incapable of rational analysis and presentation of factual evidence.
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