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Why did god create plants and trees before he made the sun?

David Maverick, The Godless Liberal 2009/05/06 03:04:56
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  • me you 2012/01/11 18:45:26
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    me you
    Plants do not need SUNLIGHT! They need light, but that light can come from anywhere. To prove that walk into any grow shop and you will see plants growing under artificial light- pot growers grow their plants all the time without using the sun. Now on the first day it says God created light- and light from any source not just the sun is what is needed for plants to grow. Now the bible story doesn't explain every detail just gives some vague highlights. For example the whole 24hr day thing- well that is measured by how long it takes the earth to rotate, but as you pointed out the sun and moon wasn't created till the 4th day so how could the earth be rotating at 24hrs/day if the earth itself wasn’t even in a stable orbit around the sun until at least the 4th day? All it says was there was night and day but no reference to how long that time was or as to where the light source came from to provide “day” for the first 3 days. Now if you study physics you will see that indeed there is a spot/time when light first came into existence but before that the universe was too dense for light to exist at all (wonder how those primitive desert people knew that darkness came first and light had a beginning out of darkness?). Once light came into existence 2 days later plants were made. The bible’s account can be correct by using any light source which was previously created (on the first day) to “feed” the new plants.
  • mentor me you 2012/07/02 21:10:43
    mentor
    Wow, that was great man I love your explanation. Also, I explain it to the kids like think of God creating the earth as a man building an ant farm. A man gets the farm first then puts the ants then puts the food. A scientist might say , " no" the food would have to come before the ant for the ant to survive, but he would be wrong.
  • David Wall me you 2013/04/13 16:52:28
    David Wall
    +3
    Even before Day Four and the creation of the sun, each, individual "day" of creation was, in fact, a literal, 24-hour day. Men may define a 24-hour day by its rotation around the sun. God defines it in (and by) His Word, irrespective of orbital rotations. This can be seen in four, distinct and clear ways in Scripture. First, when God uses of the word "morning" with the word "day," God always does so in relation to a literal, 24-hour day. Second, He does the same when He connects "evening" and "day." Third, and interestingly, He does the same thing every time He numbers a day (ex: "the fourteenth day of the month," or when Goliath presented himself before the armies of Israel, defying them and God, for "forty days"). God is very consistent. And in Genesis chapter 1, over and over we see all three ways with, "and the morning and the evening were the first [second, third, forth, fifth and sixth] day." (Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23 and 31)

    And then, there's the forth matter, which we find in Exodus 20:11 and 31:17. In both places, God's Word cites that He created the world, the universe, and all things in them, in precisely "six days." If you re-interpret any of those "days," you must also concede that, within that same context, Moses may not have been talking, literally, ...







    Even before Day Four and the creation of the sun, each, individual "day" of creation was, in fact, a literal, 24-hour day. Men may define a 24-hour day by its rotation around the sun. God defines it in (and by) His Word, irrespective of orbital rotations. This can be seen in four, distinct and clear ways in Scripture. First, when God uses of the word "morning" with the word "day," God always does so in relation to a literal, 24-hour day. Second, He does the same when He connects "evening" and "day." Third, and interestingly, He does the same thing every time He numbers a day (ex: "the fourteenth day of the month," or when Goliath presented himself before the armies of Israel, defying them and God, for "forty days"). God is very consistent. And in Genesis chapter 1, over and over we see all three ways with, "and the morning and the evening were the first [second, third, forth, fifth and sixth] day." (Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23 and 31)

    And then, there's the forth matter, which we find in Exodus 20:11 and 31:17. In both places, God's Word cites that He created the world, the universe, and all things in them, in precisely "six days." If you re-interpret any of those "days," you must also concede that, within that same context, Moses may not have been talking, literally, about working for six days of the week and resting on a specific day of the week, the seventh day, when clearly he was.

    God is not dependant upon the existence of the sun (or any other created thing, for that matter) in order to define how long a day is for us. Perhaps He made our rotation around the sun on Day Four to be 24-hours, because that's how long He had already made "day" on Day One.

    The distinction IS very important. For either our understanding of things will form our interpretation of God's Word or a right interpretation of God's Word will form our understanding (2 Timothy 2:15).

    The best commentary on the Bible is, in fact, the Bible. It is perfect and interprets itself perfectly.

    The Bible says what It means and It means what It says.
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  • nightowlhoot3 2009/05/08 14:38:58
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    nightowlhoot3
    Becaaaaaaaaaaaause ... He knew earth (and her inhabitants) needed shade? :)
  • Onico Cloud 2009/05/08 11:13:01
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    Onico Cloud
    I think your argument is flawed; even humans are able to create light without the influence of the sun.

    Isaiah 40:26
    Raise your eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one of them is missing.

    If you have a pitch black cupboard, but you have a light fitting and a bulb, would you fumble and fit it in the dark, or would you perhaps use a torch, fit the light and then turn it on? And do you think that a human that is capable of that is more intelligent than its creator?
  • Tonio31~E Pluribus Unum~ 2009/05/08 00:04:31
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    Tonio31~E Pluribus Unum~
    Another hole in the Christian creation myth. Nice job.
  • moomoof 2009/05/06 22:30:17
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    moomoof
    He did?
  • CitizenErased 2009/05/06 18:00:49
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    CitizenErased
    +1
    Coz he does what he WANTS, motherfucker!
  • Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum 2009/05/06 13:58:44
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    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +2
    Because mythology stories don't need to be scientifically accurate.
  • windwolf14 2009/05/06 06:01:53
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    windwolf14
    He said "let there be light" before he started createing
  • Mollybdamned American Atheist 2009/05/06 04:22:13
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    Mollybdamned American Atheist
    +3
    The answer is simple. It is because Sky Woman of the Iroquois created it all.
    Iroquois Creation Myth
    Long before the world was created there was an island, floating in the sky, upon which the Sky People lived. They lived quietly and happily. No one ever died or was born or experienced sadness. However one day one of the Sky Women realized she was going to give birth to twins. She told her husband, who flew into a rage. In the center of the island there was a tree which gave light to the entire island since the sun hadn't been created yet. He tore up this tree, creating a huge hole in the middle of the island. Curiously, the woman peered into the hole. Far below she could see the waters that covered the earth. At that moment her husband pushed her. She fell through the hole, tumbling towards the waters below.
    Water animals already existed on the earth, so far below the floating island two birds saw the Sky Woman fall. Just before she reached the waters they caught her on their backs and brought her to the other animals. Determined to help the woman they dove into the water to get mud from the bottom of the seas. One after another the animals tried and failed. Finally, Little Toad tried and when he reappeared his mouth was full of mud. The animals took it and spread it on the b...







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    The answer is simple. It is because Sky Woman of the Iroquois created it all.
    Iroquois Creation Myth
    Long before the world was created there was an island, floating in the sky, upon which the Sky People lived. They lived quietly and happily. No one ever died or was born or experienced sadness. However one day one of the Sky Women realized she was going to give birth to twins. She told her husband, who flew into a rage. In the center of the island there was a tree which gave light to the entire island since the sun hadn't been created yet. He tore up this tree, creating a huge hole in the middle of the island. Curiously, the woman peered into the hole. Far below she could see the waters that covered the earth. At that moment her husband pushed her. She fell through the hole, tumbling towards the waters below.
    Water animals already existed on the earth, so far below the floating island two birds saw the Sky Woman fall. Just before she reached the waters they caught her on their backs and brought her to the other animals. Determined to help the woman they dove into the water to get mud from the bottom of the seas. One after another the animals tried and failed. Finally, Little Toad tried and when he reappeared his mouth was full of mud. The animals took it and spread it on the back of Big Turtle. The mud began to grow and grow and grow until it became the size of North America.

    Then the woman stepped onto the land. She sprinkled dust into the air and created stars. Then she created the moon and sun.

    The Sky Woman gave birth to twin sons. She named one Sapling. He grew to be kind and gentle. She named the other Flint and his heart was as cold as his name. They grew quickly and began filling the earth with their creations.

    Sapling created what is good. He made animals that are useful to humans. He made rivers that went two ways and into these he put fish without bones. He made plants that people could eat easily. If he was able to do all the work himself there would be no suffering.

    Flint destroyed much of Sapling's work and created all that is bad. He made the rivers flow only in one direction. He put bones in fish and thorns on berry bushes. He created winter, but Sapling gave it life so that it could move to give way to Spring. He created monsters which his brother drove beneath the Earth.

    Eventually Sapling and Flint decided to fight till one conquered the other. Neither was able to win at first, but finally Flint was beaten. Because he was a god Flint could not die, so he was forced to live on Big Turtle's back. Occasionally his anger is felt in the form of a volcano.

    The Iroquois people hold a great respect for all animals. This is mirrored in their creation myth by the role the animals play. Without the animals' help the Sky Woman may have sunk to the bottom of the sea and earth may not have been created.
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  • Howard ... Mollybd... 2009/05/06 05:47:16
    Howard Beale II
    +1
    That is very interesting. And what is especially interesting is all the things that it has in common with other creation stories from around the globe and other cultures.
  • Mollybd... Howard ... 2009/05/06 15:46:14
    Mollybdamned American Atheist
    +1
    Hi Howard, many creation stories have familiar aspects. I just don't get how 'one' can be promoted above all the others as 'the truth'.
  • Howard ... Mollybd... 2009/05/07 00:46:14
    Howard Beale II
    +1
    Exactly.
  • David M... Mollybd... 2009/05/06 10:58:25
    David Maverick, The Godless Liberal
    +1
    it all makes so much sense now!!!
  • Mollybd... David M... 2009/05/06 15:47:06
    Mollybdamned American Atheist
    +1
    Wanna have some fun? Pick a culture, go to search bar and type in that culture and 'creation story' There are 1,000's. And all are interesting.
  • jones c... Mollybd... 2009/05/06 17:35:49
    jones cynique
    +1
    I want to know who DR'd you for sharing that story. I'm shocked.
  • David M... jones c... 2009/05/06 20:29:48
    David Maverick, The Godless Liberal
    The big evil JuJu that lives on the top of mount jesus.
  • Mollybd... jones c... 2009/05/07 04:01:47
    Mollybdamned American Atheist
    +1
    Well probably someone that doesn't want to know that there is more than one creation story. :)
  • Sandhya K. Mollybd... 2013/01/09 19:25:42
    Sandhya K.
    +5
    I think that that piece of info is not true...?
  • Fallout 2009/05/06 03:40:10
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    Fallout
    mystified
  • Howard Beale II 2009/05/06 03:38:54
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    Howard Beale II
    +4
    Same reason he created the stars before creating the universe, I guess.
  • CJG 2009/05/06 03:37:01
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    CJG
    +2
    God created the sun before He created plants.

    3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light....... 6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water..........9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so.
  • thessa CJG 2009/05/06 04:51:26
    thessa
    +1
    Thank GOD someone else understands the bible other than me.
  • CJG thessa 2009/05/06 16:33:16
    CJG
    Haha! Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one, either. :)
  • David M... CJG 2009/05/06 23:13:07
    David Maverick, The Godless Liberal
    +1
    keep reading.
  • thessa 2009/05/06 03:21:48
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    thessa
    +1
    He didnt.
  • David M... thessa 2009/05/06 03:23:10
    David Maverick, The Godless Liberal
    have you read your bible lately?
  • thessa David M... 2009/05/06 03:29:36 (edited)
    thessa
    +1
    Well seeing as youre name ends with GODLESS id say you havent.

    Not too hard even for an atheist such as urself to figure out that it talks about him creating light in GEN 1:3

    But cute how you try to pretend it dosent say that...

    He created the plants and stuff in GEN 1:11

    READ IT SOMEDAY
  • David M... thessa 2009/05/06 03:34:46
    David Maverick, The Godless Liberal
    +1
    11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

    14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
  • thessa David M... 2009/05/06 03:38:40
    thessa
    +1
    He created LIGHT in GEN 1:3 which is sunlight. I know what ur trying to do and it just wont work. Its not that hard to figure out. You are saying that He didnt really create the world because how could plants grow without sunlight right?
    Well i just proved u wrong.
    Atheists will do ANYTHING to try and prove that God didnt create the world and it just never works...lol
    Thats probably why there is still to this day a man willing to pay TONS of money to anyone that can prove evolution. Never can never will be proven because its not real. GOD MADE THIS EARTH. Whether you believe it or not. :)
  • Howard ... thessa 2009/05/06 03:42:02
    Howard Beale II
    +1
    Humor me and explain how you just proved David M wrong?
  • thessa Howard ... 2009/05/06 03:43:37
    thessa
    +1
    Well you just read what i wrote. Why would i have to do it again just for ur enjoyment?
  • Howard ... thessa 2009/05/06 03:52:26
    Howard Beale II
    +4
    Well what you just said is that the god created sunlight before he created the sun. So maybe you could elaborate on that?
  • thessa Howard ... 2009/05/06 03:56:01
    thessa
    +1
    Ugh i didnt say that. Please read what i actually DID say.
  • Howard ... thessa 2009/05/06 04:18:57
    Howard Beale II
    +1
    Err, but I DID read what you actually did say. You actually did say that the light which the god created in GEN 1:3 was sunlight, and that was on the first day of your god's creating binge. And we also know that the god created the sun at line 16, which was the fourth day of his creation binge. So you have told us that your god created sunlight before he created the sun. I just thought you might like to comment on how that should be. Can't you enlighten us? Please?
  • thessa Howard ... 2009/05/06 04:25:07
    thessa
    +1
    This is why atheists always have the same questions over and over. They never ever listen to what people tell them.
    LIGHT is sunlight. Do you really think that just because you read it online ONCE and copy and paste which is what you and ur friend are doing on here - do you really truly think that means you understand the bible and what God did?
    Are you serious?
    No. You have to study the bible and you have to read it more than once or yeah you will have questions about it - but when someone tells shows you that it says in Gen 1:3 that God created LIGHT, which is SUNLIGHT, then you really should believe it. Otherwise you are just grasping at straws or - worst case scenario - just asking to ask.
  • Howard ... thessa 2009/05/06 05:05:12
    Howard Beale II
    +1
    Is that not what I said? Or do you not understand English?

    LIGHT = SUNLIGHT which was created on Day 1.

    Agree?

    Two great lights, the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night = SUN and MOON, and they were created on Day 3.

    Agree?

    So sunlight was created before the sun. Get it?
  • thessa Howard ... 2009/05/06 12:47:43
    thessa
    +1
    Im not going to answer that again.
  • Howard ... thessa 2009/05/07 00:56:30
    Howard Beale II
    You never answered it a first time!

    Your claim is that the god created sunlight at Genesis 3 when he said "let there be light." which happened on Day One of your fable.

    And Genesis 16 (Day Three, according to the fable) is where the god supposedly created the sun and the moon.

    So unless time runs backward in your world of fables and make believe, Day One when the god created sunlight came before Day Three when he created the sun. How can anyone be so obtuse as to not understand that?

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