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Marie/M2M2K™-#1ConservativeGuru 2010/01/15 12:32:32
The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
I see no problem with the welfare system, and it should stay as it is.
I'm not on welfare, so why should I even care about this?
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First, let me state that I am not saying all people on government/taxpayer assistance practice this kind of behavior. People fall on hard times, and do need help. Before the welfare system people received help from their family, friends, neighbors, community, church, etc. And help was freely given by those who could help one in need.

But it's welfare abuse cases like this that make the entire system and the people who utilize it look bad. As taxpayers, our money is taken and given to people we don't know, for purposes we are unaware of, and more and more of our paychecks is taken year after year.

Common sense tells us that these are the type of people that are referred to as ballot cattle. Their only concern is for themselves, to be taken care of by means outside of themselves. So, they constantly vote for politicians who will promise them the moon. In reality, these people are being taken as well as we taxpayers are. A politician will promise the moon for votes just to keep them in power. And it's a vicious cycle.

When do we say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH? Why in the world should we be forced to support people who take advantage of the welfare system? What can we do to stop this? It is something that obviously happens and most people have probably read stories or heard on the news different cases such as this.

WE THE PEOPLE have to reform our government. We need to find a solution to stop this kind of madness. To heck with all of these backroom negotiations and hidden pork bills. If we don't, Lord only knows what kind of America future generations will be stuck with in this country.

When I finished reading this story, my first thought was, why did this woman have a 46 inch plasma tv and was receiving food stamps? It's horrible the t.v. was shot. But just WHY in the world did this woman have a television like that to begin with and receive food stamps?

Read the story below and then please comment.

Thursday January 14, 2010
Man accused of firing shots in dispute over food stamp card

CHARLESTON, W.VA. -- Police say a Charleston man shot at two people after finding the food stamp card his mother bought from the two had no value.

Charleston Cpl. S.M. Webb went to a home in the 300-block of Delaware Avenue Sunday afternoon to investigate the report of an argument with shots fired. Kimberly and Richard Jackson told the officer that Debra Burke and her son Clifton Lee Belcher, 20, of Randolph Street, came to their home to confront them about a Food Stamp card Burke bought from Kimberly Jackson, according to a complaint filed in Kanawha Magistrate Court.

Kimberly Jackson told police that the argument started because Jackson sold the card to Burke for $50 and that the card was supposed to have had a balance of $100 but had no value when Burke tried to use it at a nearby store, the complaint said. Burke became enraged and the confrontation ensued, police said.

While the group was arguing inside the Jacksons' home, Belcher showed a handgun and fired once into the couple's 46-inch flat screen television, the complaint said. Belcher then fled the house and fired once more from outside at a front window, the complaint said.

Officers were able to track Belcher down near the Delaware Avenue home a short time later and arrested him. Police could not locate the gun.

Belcher was charged with two counts of felony wanton endangerment and is being held at South Central Regional Jail.

It was not immediately clear if additional charges would be filed against the others involved. Charleston police still are investigating.

Story located here: http://www.dailymail.com/policebrfs/201001130686
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  • MAMMY51♥POTL~PWCM~JLA♥ 2010/01/15 13:39:37
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    MAMMY51♥POTL~PWCM~JLA♥
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    The welfare system, is indicative of the failure of the Governments ability to run ANY program with accountability.

    welfare outrageous welfare indicative failure governments ability run program accountability
    Sharon Jasper has spent 57 of her 58 years dedicated to one cause and one cause only and has nothing to show for her dedicated servitude.
    She laments about her one year hiatus from the comfort of her Section 8 nirvana, 'I tried it for a year -- you know, working and all. It's not anything I would want to go through again or wish on anyone in my family, but I am damn proud of that year.'
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  • Dana Bieber 2010/01/22 16:41:20
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    Dana Bieber
    +1
    I think the man was just whacked! But I definitely think grocery stores should be fined like liquor stores if they're not properly identifying the people's names on these cards.
  • Marie/M... Dana Bi... 2010/01/22 16:51:11
    Marie/M2M2K™-#1ConservativeGuru
    +2
    That's a thought. However, what about the woman? She is the one who began the deception in this story.
  • Dana Bi... Marie/M... 2010/01/22 16:54:28
    Dana Bieber
    +1
    I agree, but I'm not going to say she got what was coming to her. What she did was wrong, and weaknesses in the system let people like her get away with it. I'm sure she'll think again! LOL
  • Marie/M... Dana Bi... 2010/01/22 16:55:25
    Marie/M2M2K™-#1ConservativeGuru
    +2
    That's very true. Thank you for participating.
  • Dana Bi... Marie/M... 2010/01/22 16:56:12
    Dana Bieber
    +1
    Your welcome. Good question; keep them coming.
  • texasj 2010/01/21 05:38:03
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    texasj
    +1
    While on one hand I think it may help good people get through a difficult time I think there ought to be time limits that you can be on it. Unfortunately what it is engineered to do is create social dependence on Government in trade for votes to keep certain parties "Dems" in office and in power. This social dependence has now spread to the point that their are multiple generations of folks dependent on government for their very existence. In the case of some like during Katrina their were examples so dependent on Government they would not take initiative to save their own lives, "they were waiting on the Government". Now who are those folks going to vote for and why do they think they are owed free stuff?
  • Ken 2010/01/21 01:55:24
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    Ken
    +1
    No work, no pay. If you are on welfare, vouchers only (for food, housing, medical and clothing), no cash. We need to make those on welfare want to find a job.
  • Cat 2010/01/21 01:03:25
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    Cat
    +2
    If you dont work you dont eat....Why should taxpayers pay for welfare, and I thought a program was started to get people educated so they could get off this undignified program....Government is too big and needs to stop giving away anything unless the Americans vote for it to be approved....Officials work for me not themselves.......and their own interests.....
  • Marie/M... Cat 2010/01/21 01:13:07
    Marie/M2M2K™-#1ConservativeGuru
    +4
    You do remember who was in charge of that program don't you? Since when did any program run by the government do what it's really supposed to do? :)
  • Cat Marie/M... 2010/01/21 01:25:35
    Cat
    No dont remember who was in charge, however I know that it started as a stimulus package to help families after the war....temporary help not a permanent program
  • charles_1 2010/01/21 00:19:28
    Other: Your thoughts....
    charles_1
    +1
    Some people go on welfare temporarily then get off. Welfare does it's job of helping them through a bad period and I don't have a problem with this.

    However, there are those who live on welfare who can work but don't. Some too long. Some just stay there forever. This I despise. I hate paying for another persons laziness, stupid decisions, drug addiction, alcohol problem, etc... People on government handout programs should be unhappy with it. That unhappiness should be strong enough to convince even the laziest of person to work for a living if at all possible. The longer your on it the more unhappy it should make you, so steadily reducing the benefit is a good approach too.
  • jo 2010/01/20 18:39:35 (edited)
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    jo
    +1
    now they want us to pay for the cell phones and text messaging of welfare recipients
    http://blog.heritage.org/2010...
  • none 2010/01/20 17:47:26
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    none
    +1
    Unless someone is disabled in a way that makes them unable to work there has to be a limit on the amount of time you can stay on welfare. There is no reason why the tax dollars I work hard to produce for the government should go to some lazy fat ass who thinks the country own him or her a living. Just thinking about this useless woman with a 46" TV most that people can't justify buying makes me sick.
  • Marie/M... none 2010/01/20 17:51:59
    Marie/M2M2K™-#1ConservativeGuru
    +2
    Well, people have made the point that it could have been a gift. But my point is, even if that is so, this woman was OBVIOUSLY trying to deceive. Any responsible person would have sold that television and gotten a smaller one if they were that hard up for money. This woman's intent was to deceive. And I'm sure it's not an isolated incident after reading many of the comments I have received on this poll.
  • Irisheyes 2010/01/20 16:45:34 (edited)
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    Irisheyes
    +1
    Nice big, flat screen television you got their honey. Did she buy it with the funds she got when she worked for that one year or did the taxpayers buy it for her? It's interesting that in 2008, I had a stroke at a Sarah Palin event. The stroke affected me on my right side, the same side I write with, eat with, etc. Our government and the state of Alabama sent me to an Arab doctor, who just passed the English as a Second language at home course. The man spent all of 5 minutes with me and forwarded the results to the state and federal government that I wasn't handicapped enough.

    I cannot drive, no one I know wants to hire me for a job, I cannot stand for more then a few minutes, I cannot bathe or put my clothes on, so how do I live? I moved in with my father, who helps me get around. Otherwise, I'd be living on the streets of Mobile. I've filed a lawsuit to collect my SSI and SSD, and my legal representatives should 'i win will get 40% of my back payments. I have to prove to our government that I'm handicapped, while this lazy good for nothing sits around waiting for her next welfare check. I guess I could've done the same thing, stayed in my rented home instead of moving in with my dad. When I went to the local Social Security office, the looks and silent comments from ...



    Nice big, flat screen television you got their honey. Did she buy it with the funds she got when she worked for that one year or did the taxpayers buy it for her? It's interesting that in 2008, I had a stroke at a Sarah Palin event. The stroke affected me on my right side, the same side I write with, eat with, etc. Our government and the state of Alabama sent me to an Arab doctor, who just passed the English as a Second language at home course. The man spent all of 5 minutes with me and forwarded the results to the state and federal government that I wasn't handicapped enough.

    I cannot drive, no one I know wants to hire me for a job, I cannot stand for more then a few minutes, I cannot bathe or put my clothes on, so how do I live? I moved in with my father, who helps me get around. Otherwise, I'd be living on the streets of Mobile. I've filed a lawsuit to collect my SSI and SSD, and my legal representatives should 'i win will get 40% of my back payments. I have to prove to our government that I'm handicapped, while this lazy good for nothing sits around waiting for her next welfare check. I guess I could've done the same thing, stayed in my rented home instead of moving in with my dad. When I went to the local Social Security office, the looks and silent comments from both the the social security receivers and giver was written all over their faces. What is a fairly young white woman doing here? Racism goes both ways.

    I've made a great living and have accumulated a lot of my money in my SSI and SSD over the course of my lifetime. Yet, their acting as if I'm faking and a fraud. I wish I could be as healthy and able to work as the woman above, but my circumstances tell me I cannot.

    In the meantime, I have no health insurance (and do not want ObamaCare reform), have accumulated $31,000.00 in hospital bills, I have no money for rehabilitation and the likelihood that after 16 months, that the stroke effects will remain permanent. She's physically able to work but chooses to not to work and because of the color of my skin, I'm automatically the faker and fraud.
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  • Marie/M... Irisheyes 2010/01/20 17:36:59
    Marie/M2M2K™-#1ConservativeGuru
    +2
    Well, I'll tell you this, if it were me, or almost ANY RESPONSIBLE person, that television would have been sold before I tried to swindle someone out of money using an empty food stamp card. I don't care what excuses can be made. This was someone who was being DECEPTIVE. Think about that for a minute. This isn't someone who was trying to do the right thing. I think anyone who has half a brain would agree this was deception plain and simple. So there's no excuse. None! There's no discrimination here. Show me the discrimination in this story, please.

    I'm truly truly sorry for your situation. I really mean that. But this particular person is not of the same fiber as you. You are not out looking to rip someone off. This woman was. Big difference.
  • Irisheyes Marie/M... 2010/01/20 22:44:36
    Irisheyes
    +1
    I guess you had to be there to see the looks on their faces in the Social Security office. The looks showed incredulous, suspect, who is she kidding and their loud whispering confirmed that. Racism goes both ways.
  • Merl 2010/01/20 16:02:54
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    Merl
    +1
    I think all state workers should be replaced with those on welfare, the accomplishments wouldn't change and we wouldn't have to pay retirement benefits.
  • Pegasis 2010/01/20 15:41:23
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    Pegasis
    +1
    Truth is that the food stamps are viewed as just another form of currency by many. Most agreigious in my opinion are the commercial entities--grocery and convenience stores, for example, which buy them for $0.25 - $0.50 on the dollar.

    Where there is a government program, there will be abuse.
  • Marie/M... Pegasis 2010/01/20 17:37:41
    Marie/M2M2K™-#1ConservativeGuru
    +2
    So we accept and tolerate it?
  • Pegasis Marie/M... 2010/01/20 17:57:45
    Pegasis
    +1
    Oh no! Sometimes they are caught and prosecuted. Report it if you find it. But I think the investigations may cost more than the recovery unless the operation is huge. More abuse than investigators, for sure, and there doesn't seem to be much will to change the system to make it more difficult to scam.

    Ditto for Medicare/Medicaid. There is abuse there as well. Often from physicians presenting false bills to the gov. I know some seniors who are vigilant about reporting anything offered or charged to them that they don't think they need! We should all be so honest.
  • Marie/M... Pegasis 2010/01/20 17:59:15
    Marie/M2M2K™-#1ConservativeGuru
    +3
    Gotcha. Thanks, Pegasis. And yes we should be that honest.
  • a 2010/01/20 15:20:18
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    a
    +1
    As I have said with many others, any government ran program that gives free money to anyone is a joke and insult to those who bust their butts to make ends meet.
  • govlastpeoplefirst 2010/01/20 14:36:36
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    govlastpeoplefirst
    +1
    every card should have a photo, the DSS has plenty of agents yet they never do a "home check". I could tell you story after story of people with "benefit cards" and plenty of cash. They say they must commit crime b/c welfare doesn't pay enough. Lets break it down, in my state, the welfare program provide: Free Housing, Free HC, Free Food, Free bus passes, Free Higher Education, Free cars (if they live too far out), Free Lawyers, Free moderate furniture (donated), Free clothing (donated), Free cable, Free heat and electric, If you owned a home before you went on. You can keep the home for your lifespan with no taxes and the list goes on. So what do they need money for? Oh, the 46 inch flat screen and the leather furniture.
  • Irisheyes govlast... 2010/01/20 17:15:24
    Irisheyes
    +1
    You left out that they can go to the State and Federal government and get money from both.
  • judy ann 2010/01/20 14:08:49
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    judy ann
    +1
    I AGREE!!!! the down side to welfare is, people will milk a good thing to death. They become lazy and dependent.

    Most will have babies just to receive more and more money. NOT FAIR.

    Gov. should say, OK were gonna help you out ONE TIME, but if you get knocked up again then its on you.

    We have to set limits. Elders need more help than the young who is able to work.

    People in the past who drew unemployment had to show they were at least trying to find a job. Not anymore
  • autumn_1959 2010/01/20 13:53:36
    Other: Your thoughts....
    autumn_1959
    +1
    i can see when welfare is needed i am disabled i can only get food stamps cant work and i am the corrupt government to get my ssi they told me at the dept of human rescoures that i am not eligible for a medical card something wrong this picture and i worked an paid into that i can see it if you can work but there are some people who committ fraud and makes it hard for everyone else and they ahve my medical records to prove i am disabled and still they denied me a simple medical card i have no insurance and noway to pay for my dr,s i think the system needs to change for people like me and others who need it
  • Marie/M... autumn_... 2010/01/20 17:39:57
    Marie/M2M2K™-#1ConservativeGuru
    +3
    Exactly and that's my entire point. This person was looking to deceive. And had other means clearly to be able to get to money. What sane person would not have sold something like that and get a smaller one if they were in such need for money? Deception is just ugly and you're right it does make people stop and wonder about others. That's human nature. But once again, I (and you I can tell) recognize that there are people who truly do need help.
  • autumn_... Marie/M... 2010/01/20 17:41:54
    autumn_1959
    yes they do and thank you
  • Dwight Mann 2010/01/20 12:17:23
    Other: Your thoughts....
    Dwight Mann
    +1
    These people are certainly capable of working. . . Put them in government jobs, they would do a better job than the people in there now for half the money/ / /
    Government job, pay and benefits = $100,000 per annum. This is paid for by taxpayers whose jobs pay and benefits = $60,000 per annum. What is wrong with that picture. Our esteemed Government employees need to take a hit also, like PO workers. Cut delivery down to one day a week. That would lower a lot of government spending and bills. . .

    employees hit po workers cut delivery week government spending bills
  • Marie/M... Dwight ... 2010/01/20 17:40:31
    Marie/M2M2K™-#1ConservativeGuru
    +2
    I agree. This story just ticked me off because this person was only interested in deception.
  • Asher 2010/01/20 11:12:29
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    Asher
    +1
    something else.
    give a man a fish, feed him for a day...teach him to fish...feed him for his lifetime...
  • Marie/M... Asher 2010/01/20 17:40:41
    Marie/M2M2K™-#1ConservativeGuru
    +2
    Absolutely!
  • ol_crank_arm 2010/01/20 10:01:58
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    ol_crank_arm
    +1
    "They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare.... [G]iving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as they sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please." -- Thomas Jefferson

    Mr. Jefferson was just one of many who instituted our unique form of governance to make this point NUMEROUS times. Charitable obligation is upon The People directly because when shifted to government, boundless excuses inevitably arise for its expansion.

    Now, hasn't that been the irrefutable result we've witnessed since the 1920's when that Pandora's Box was first opened?
  • Marie/M... ol_cran... 2010/01/20 17:41:16
    Marie/M2M2K™-#1ConservativeGuru
    +3
    You are absolutely right (as usual.)
  • 12 Tone Melody 2010/01/20 09:51:58
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    12 Tone Melody
  • jimiwhitten 2010/01/20 07:56:00
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    jimiwhitten
    Read Star Jones! They are against it because it is the worst thing to do, the poor hae ALWAYS flourished under republicans, lost inder Demorats.
  • Speedy 2010/01/20 07:33:25
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    Speedy
    +2
    Conservatives know that successful "welfare" policies all fall back on that ancient cliche: Give a man a fish and feed him for a day; teach a man to fish, and feed him for a lifetime.
    Also, economic policy in general must be consistent with human nature. Laziness and greed are the two human underpinnings that make capitalism the only successful system: Very few are interested in working for the government or for those who CHOOSE not to get a job.
  • aebe 2010/01/20 07:22:05
    Other: Your thoughts....
    aebe
    +1
    People willing to wantonly murder TVs can be found in all economic castes.Yup.
    I do not know if welfare agencies are still advertising,but they need to be re-structured,in part to see to it that their clients find work,and continue to recieve help for a few months after getting a job.In 1992 I was fired,for being disabled,and went to sign up for welfare,was told to do that by the unemployemnt office -couldn't get unemployement,I was disabled -onwards - Humbolt County welfare woman told me to sell my truck,tools,and books,which would have trapped me into welfare.I was a single parent,and with what money I'd have gotten,would have my daughter and I living in cardboard boxes.And downhill from there.The Rescue ! - The VA,when informed by SSA that I was crazy,and a veteran,actually started giving me money.Four years later,and twenty after I had asked the VA for help.
    My point ? Get the government out of almost all assistance for citizens.And fix the fornicatingwithdeadskunksVA.
  • Freckles 2010/01/20 07:19:09
    The welfare system is outrageous and this is what I think should be done.
    Freckles
    +2
    I volunteered for Dept of Health Services in WA state, and I can tell you that more than one person came in driving a new vehicle, they dressed like they had nothing and they pretty much got food stamps no matter what. The cheating is unbelievable, some pple had cheated the system of up to $40,000.00 for welfare and food stamps. This is rampant there were page after page of this type of cheating. Under status it was written, ( Being Investigated.) Pple on welfare should be required to do something but it is against their constitutional rights, and I say where in the hell are my rights, not to support these losers.
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