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Why can't Scott Walker leave civil servants alone. They do their jobs and we need them. They don't get paid that much for the amount of work many of them do.

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  • darcie lamar 2012/05/30 04:54:16
    Too many people think civil servants are overpaid.
    darcie lamar
    +15
    If they bankrupt a state what then? Scott Walker is only asking them to chip in and not be so greedy.

    American workers who are members of unions earn significantly more per hour than their nonunion counterparts, according to a report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).
    Data from the BLS National Compensation Survey shows that in July 2002, average hourly earnings among all union workers were $20.65, compared with $16.42 for nonunion workers.

    In 2002, full-time wage and salary workers who were union members had median usual weekly earnings of $740, compared with a median of $587 for wage and salary workers who were not represented by unions.

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  • DuncanONeil 2012/05/31 02:12:13
    Too many people think civil servants are overpaid.
    DuncanONeil
    Only counts as too many if the thought is wrong!
    " the unweighted average for Wisconsin teachers for the 2010 school year: a $51,000 salary, plus $30,000 worth of benefits (for a total of $81,000 worth of compensation). For an average private sector worker, he said, the salary in 2010 was $46,000 with $20,000 worth of benefits (total compensation $66,000)."
    "American Enterprise Institute’s Andrew Biggs total public-sector compensation in Wisconsin remains comfortably ahead of compensation for private-sector workers with similar levels of education and experience. Specifically:
    * Before Act 10, Wisconsin state workers received health benefits about 2.3 times as valuable and pension benefits about 5.7 times as valuable as what workers in large private firms receive. After Act 10, Wisconsin state workers still receive health benefits nearly twice as valuable and pension benefits more than 4.5 times as valuable.
    * Before Act 10, Wisconsin state employees received total compensation (salary and benefits) about 29 percent higher than comparable private-sector workers. After Act 10, the compensation premium is about 22 percent.
    * In dollar terms, the average Wisconsin state worker after Act 10 receives total compensation including benefits equal to $81,637, versus $67,068 for a simil...




























































    Only counts as too many if the thought is wrong!
    " the unweighted average for Wisconsin teachers for the 2010 school year: a $51,000 salary, plus $30,000 worth of benefits (for a total of $81,000 worth of compensation). For an average private sector worker, he said, the salary in 2010 was $46,000 with $20,000 worth of benefits (total compensation $66,000)."
    "American Enterprise Institute’s Andrew Biggs total public-sector compensation in Wisconsin remains comfortably ahead of compensation for private-sector workers with similar levels of education and experience. Specifically:
    * Before Act 10, Wisconsin state workers received health benefits about 2.3 times as valuable and pension benefits about 5.7 times as valuable as what workers in large private firms receive. After Act 10, Wisconsin state workers still receive health benefits nearly twice as valuable and pension benefits more than 4.5 times as valuable.
    * Before Act 10, Wisconsin state employees received total compensation (salary and benefits) about 29 percent higher than comparable private-sector workers. After Act 10, the compensation premium is about 22 percent.
    * In dollar terms, the average Wisconsin state worker after Act 10 receives total compensation including benefits equal to $81,637, versus $67,068 for a similarly skilled private worker."
    "Public workers by the numbers

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    283,351 public workers in Wisconsin

    76 Percent work for local governments

    37 Percent of Wisconsin's public employees work part-time. National average is 25 percent.

    38 Number of public workers per 1,000 Wisconsin residents. National average is 40.

    Where they work

    58 Percent of public employees work in education; 42 percent in elementary or secondary schools

    8 Percent work for a police or fire department

    7 Percent work in corrections

    5 Percent work in public welfare

    4 Percent work in health care

    5 largest state agencies

    Agency Employees

    UW System 32,283

    Corrections 10,577

    Health services 5,562

    Transportation 3,455

    Natural resources 2,671

    How they're paid

    $53,703 Average salary for a Wisconsin state employee, 4.3 percent higher than the national average

    $18,000 Average benefit package value for a state employee

    $71,000 Average total compensation for a state employee

    $45,521 Average salary for Wisconsin local government employee, 5 percent below the national average

    $15,216 Average benefit package value for local government employee

    $60,017 Average total compensation for local government employee

    By comparison

    $73,143 Average total compensation for Iowa state employees

    $71,734 Average total compensation for Minnesota state employees

    $69,456 Average total compensation for Illinois state employees

    Walker's changes" ( http://lacrossetribune.com/ne... )
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  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/05/30 17:00:14
    Too many people think civil servants are overpaid.
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    They may think this but the facts are that the civil servants, for the most part, are making higher salaries than the people paying them with their taxes.

    Walker just wants them to be less greedy and kick in a little for their own retirement - what a bastard for caring about all the people in his state rather than bowing to the union only!!!!
  • none 2012/05/30 16:57:22
    Too many people think civil servants are overpaid.
    none
    +1
    Public sector unions are the problem, not the workers.
  • bob 2012/05/30 16:55:44
    Walker wants to balance his budget on the clerical and city servants.
    bob
    I'm sure Scott Walker has gotten a pay raise for his deeds
  • JP 2012/05/30 13:34:42
    People are not happy paying for services
    JP
    +1
    Especially when the civil servants are vastly overpaid compared to private workers. The Democrats have been calling for shared sacrifice for a long time and it's high time they share in the sacrifice.

    You public sector workers could have gotten quite a pay raise if you quit spending billions to elect politicians who want your neighbors to keep giving more and more and more and just kept most of that money for what it is intended for!
  • Cuppajo 2012/05/30 12:57:02
    People are not happy paying for services
    Cuppajo
    Like the civil servants. They don't want to pay a little more for their health insurance (that they would NOT have if they WEREN'T civil servants).
  • Freeranger 2012/05/30 12:37:43
    People are not happy paying for services
    Freeranger
    +1
    There's no reason they can't pay for more of their services. I used to be one, and the rights & privileges are far better than those in the private sector. Secondly, why not talk about the savings (somewhere around a billion) he has saved Wisconsin citizens? I haven't a dog in this fight, but the article is worth reading:
    http://spectator.org/archives...
  • Headhunter 13 2012/05/30 12:13:22
    People are not happy paying for services
    Headhunter 13
    For the most part they are useless lazy non productive workers. They tend to be rude and ignorant in many cases. Few seem to actually know what their jobs are and how to work. That they are unionized to protect their lazy asses astounding. Not to mention that like politicians they seem to forget they work for the people
  • rknothead 2012/05/30 11:39:04
    Too many people think civil servants are overpaid.
    rknothead
    +3
    Well I don't think too many think it...they should be thinking about it. For the services civil servants do, they are paid more then private sector equivalents in terms of additions and entitlements like retirements. Get in line with the private sector and we'll stop complaining.
  • Ozzyboy 2012/05/30 11:33:11
    Too many people think civil servants are overpaid.
    Ozzyboy
    +2
    I know civil servants who make very little but have superior health care benefits. Then there's the ones at the top who hog up everything. If anyone is trying to be fair in this country, it is Scott Walker who is really trying to balance a monster of a budget. A lot of the people who pay the civil servant's paycheck make less and have to pay their own health care and pensions. Doesn't seem very fair to me.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/05/30 11:26:05
    Too many people think civil servants are overpaid.
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    Walker needs to GO!

    RECALL WALKER!
  • Patric 2012/05/30 10:00:24
    Walker wants to balance his budget on the clerical and city servants.
    Patric
    +1
    if you, or any one , spends more than your income,, you go broke.

    it seems the gov't jobs now pay more than private, and have way better benefits , and waaaaaaaaaaay less work and responsibility...
  • Wolfman 2012/05/30 08:04:54
    Walker wants to balance his budget on the clerical and city servants.
    Wolfman
    +4
    AFAIK, all Walker did was make teachers pay part of their insurance and part of their own retirement. That's fair. He also ended their collective bargaining ability. No public union should have collective bargaining ability.

    What exactly did Walker do to civil servants?
  • Stryder Wolfman 2012/05/30 12:03:16
    Stryder
    +1
    Spot on, Wolfman. I pay a larger percentage of my income for my insurance and TSP than they do for either benefit.
  • Wolfman Stryder 2012/05/30 15:22:05
    Wolfman
    +1
    Everyone does except the greedy.
  • ACE 2012/05/30 08:01:54
    Too many people think civil servants are overpaid.
    ACE
    +4
    they are paid way more than they deserve
  • mike 2012/05/30 07:57:03
    Too many people think civil servants are overpaid.
    mike
    +7
    And in many cases they are. Thirty years ago this wasn't true, they always had great benefits but over the last thirty years with more of them becoming organized their pay has skyrocketed compared with the private sector. Now most people realize every time the public sector employees get a raise property taxes go up to the point that its noticable. Because of that people are less and less sympathetic to them.
  • Brian Tristan MacQuillan 2012/05/30 06:06:45
    Too many people think civil servants are overpaid.
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    +8
    First off, people who work for the government typically make more money, and receive better benefits than their counterparts in the private sector.

    Secondly, the killer of any government budget (local, state, federal) is the future wages and benefits, and legacy costs of the employees. It is unsustainable, plain and simple, and something needs to be done about that runaway train.

    Government money is tax money, and tax money is the people's money, and there is a limit to what can be spent. The government exists to serve the people, not employee them. Governor Walker is simply trying to save Wisconsin from fiscal collapse. If he is voted out, and Wisconsin goes the course it was on of spending like there is no tomorrow, the state will go bankrupt, and that will be ugly, very ugly.
  • JenSemPa 2012/05/30 05:32:21
    Too many people think civil servants are overpaid.
    JenSemPa
    +9
    In truth ... between the salaries and benefits and vacations and early retirements and guaranteed pensions, the average public-sector worker is doing much better than the average private-sector worker.

    As it is now, Wisconsin's civil servants make up 14% of the state's workforce. They are essentially a minority class that is being supported by the 86% who pay the taxes that provide their jobs, benefits, and pensions.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  • Jackie ... JenSemPa 2012/05/30 17:01:36
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    And the "average private-sector workers" - are paying the salaries of the public sector worker - something about all this is just flat wrong
  • darcie lamar 2012/05/30 04:54:16
    Too many people think civil servants are overpaid.
    darcie lamar
    +15
    If they bankrupt a state what then? Scott Walker is only asking them to chip in and not be so greedy.

    American workers who are members of unions earn significantly more per hour than their nonunion counterparts, according to a report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).
    Data from the BLS National Compensation Survey shows that in July 2002, average hourly earnings among all union workers were $20.65, compared with $16.42 for nonunion workers.

    In 2002, full-time wage and salary workers who were union members had median usual weekly earnings of $740, compared with a median of $587 for wage and salary workers who were not represented by unions.
  • gocar 2012/05/30 04:36:29
    Too many people think civil servants are overpaid.
    gocar
    +1
    It is true that they have a paid job while politicians are often paid per diem. However the civil servant is who is running the government. Then there are the essential services provided by police, firemen, teachers. Why would be resent them getting decent wages. When I worked for a county government I got only $4 more over a period of 10 years. The work double but my income did not.
  • Hula gi... gocar 2012/05/30 07:17:57
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    +4
    But the civilian who are paying your wages is normally much less. When civil servants are actually that and not heady Union workers then there may be a balance. Those in the private sector also can get fired for not performing but those as civil servants could be a slacker or even a horrible teacher and not get fired yet we all suffer as a result.
  • Stryder gocar 2012/05/30 11:37:47
    Stryder
    +3
    For starters, police and firemen are exempt from Act 10. It only affected the teacher's unions. And doesn't prevent them from making a decent page. WI teachers are paid far above the national median for teaching salaries. It just prevents their unions from gouging the taxpayers.
  • Stryder gocar 2012/05/30 11:38:51 (edited)
    Stryder
    +3
    I work for the federal government. Our pay has been frozen for the last two years with ZERO cost of living raises. And it will remain frozen for at least the next two years. Have you seen massive protests and occupations? Hell no! Cry me a river.

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