Leviticus was a Hebrew philosopher. He wrote all this around the time when the Hebrews were trying to free themselves from slavery and establish themselves.
Leviticus was a very smart man. If you read through the so-called laws, they all have one common denominator -- survival and growth of the group.
Even disallowing the cutting of hair makes sense in that it allowed one follower to recognize the other.
Think about it. The laws protect from potential food poisoning, inbreeding, racial impurities, and so on. The most apparent "laws" surround procreation. Homosexuality in men does not produce babies.
It is important to note the laws don't disallow homosexuality in women. That would be because women were property and a husband had every right to rape his wife.
Another prime example is it is a sin to screw your wife when she's having her period. Why? No babies.
These archaic and outdated laws do have a scientific foundation, but are simply not applicable to today.
The homophobes hold on to that one statement because, in all truth, it's all they got.
Why are parts of Leviticus used, but other parts ignored?
Bico
December 13, 2008 18:16:54
I recently watched a program in which the point was brought up that the same part of the Bible that most people cite in condemning the homosexual act also condemns shaving your temples, eating shellfish, and wearing clothes of mixed fiber. However, neither the pundit nor the guests ever actually discuss this matter, instead focusing on some other arbitrary issue, ignoring this fact.
I, however, find this argument interesting. In Leviticus it states that if a man lies with a man as one does with a woman, it is unclean (or an abomination, depending on your translation). This is usually interpreted as being a sin. The same terminology is used, however, when describing eating things like pork, hare, shellfish, any creatures that live in water but don't have scales, and birds of prey, among other things. Women are also said to be an abomination 33 days after giving birth to a boy and 66 days after giving birth to a girl and animals must be given up as sacrifice to cleanse her of her sins (of giving birth, I guess), and having sex with a woman during her period is an abomination. A man cutting his beard is an abomination. Tattoos are an abomination. Also, in this book, cursing one's parents results in the death penalty.
Okay, so basically by saying homosexuality is a sin because it is called an abomination by Leviticus, one also must concede that all these prior things are also sins, correct? However, most people who use Leviticus to say that homosexuality is a sin conveniently ignore these things, and most likely indulge in sins such as shaving or eating pork chops. I, personally, from my reading of this book, believe that these taboos are more for ritual effect than anything, if not to be altogether ignored by Jesus' own statement that old Jewish laws were defunct, but I am very curious to know how people who believe homosexuality is a sin due to this part of the Bible can ignore the other abominations there in which they, themselves indulge; yet, do not pursue legislation to ban these unclean acts. Or are there those who support and practice the interpretations espoused, in which all these things are sins and should be outlawed?
I, however, find this argument interesting. In Leviticus it states that if a man lies with a man as one does with a woman, it is unclean (or an abomination, depending on your translation). This is usually interpreted as being a sin. The same terminology is used, however, when describing eating things like pork, hare, shellfish, any creatures that live in water but don't have scales, and birds of prey, among other things. Women are also said to be an abomination 33 days after giving birth to a boy and 66 days after giving birth to a girl and animals must be given up as sacrifice to cleanse her of her sins (of giving birth, I guess), and having sex with a woman during her period is an abomination. A man cutting his beard is an abomination. Tattoos are an abomination. Also, in this book, cursing one's parents results in the death penalty.
Okay, so basically by saying homosexuality is a sin because it is called an abomination by Leviticus, one also must concede that all these prior things are also sins, correct? However, most people who use Leviticus to say that homosexuality is a sin conveniently ignore these things, and most likely indulge in sins such as shaving or eating pork chops. I, personally, from my reading of this book, believe that these taboos are more for ritual effect than anything, if not to be altogether ignored by Jesus' own statement that old Jewish laws were defunct, but I am very curious to know how people who believe homosexuality is a sin due to this part of the Bible can ignore the other abominations there in which they, themselves indulge; yet, do not pursue legislation to ban these unclean acts. Or are there those who support and practice the interpretations espoused, in which all these things are sins and should be outlawed?
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If they demand everyone follows ONE petty rule that's from a time when people thought the wind were Satan's farts, then they must follow ALL the petty rules the same passage dictates.
However, they turn a blind eye to everything else in the Bible that doesn't jive with their ideology because they know that if they support this verse yet dismiss the one that immediately follows it, they'll be called hypocrites--and rightfully so.
Anyone who's ever been to court has probably heard the judge explain that ignorance of the law is no excuse. If you're going to use the Bible as the handbook for determining morality and dictating behavior, you don't get to pick and choose which laws you want to abide by and which ones you don't.
Anywho, the people that ignore all those but thump on homosexuality better get a grip. I for one believe I am just the way God made me, I have no choice over my sexuality, but these people that thumpa thumpa on this every Sunday then dine at Red Lobster (Very much a choice) better watch out.
Because both humans and religions are selective. And one must consider the times that these were written and the purpose that it was written under.
This is but one of many contradictions in the bible.
Because of this, one could argue that the parts of the Bible that condone slavery, the rape of children (as long as it's male on female), and even the parts that may be interpreted as being anti-homosexual, could also be, as you said, "that man has added this betrayal to the word of God."
It's troublesome, because as many of these things are widely accepted in the Bible--and compounded by corruption as it was copied over the millenia, as well as what is lost in translation (or mistranslation)--it would be near impossible for even devout Christians to confirm what might be true. Every single person would basically have to learn Greek and Hebrew for themselves and personally compare the old transcripts to figure out what's what. Otherwise, you could just trust the experts to figure it out and read their own translation of their interpretation of what the original might have been.
One way or the other, this viewpoint would tend ...
Because of this, one could argue that the parts of the Bible that condone slavery, the rape of children (as long as it's male on female), and even the parts that may be interpreted as being anti-homosexual, could also be, as you said, "that man has added this betrayal to the word of God."
It's troublesome, because as many of these things are widely accepted in the Bible--and compounded by corruption as it was copied over the millenia, as well as what is lost in translation (or mistranslation)--it would be near impossible for even devout Christians to confirm what might be true. Every single person would basically have to learn Greek and Hebrew for themselves and personally compare the old transcripts to figure out what's what. Otherwise, you could just trust the experts to figure it out and read their own translation of their interpretation of what the original might have been.
One way or the other, this viewpoint would tend to undermine the fundamentalist belief that everything in the Bible must be taken as the literal and inerrant Word of God, which means that we should be able to interpret it as we will, throwing out the parts that seem to us not to fit with the message and keeping those parts that do.
What would you say about those who choose to be chaste for the rest of their lives, such as Catholic priests or monks or nuns? Would they be considered sinning because if everyone was chaste the population would not be sustainable? I recall that there is a passage in the Bible which discusses marriage and, in a roundabout fashion, procreation. Jesus says that it is good to marry, but it would be better to be like Jesus (which is interpreted as not marrying or having children). Jesus, himself, is believed to have remained chaste. If everyone were to act like Jesus, the population would also be unable to sustain its numbers.
Would you also say that any use of contraceptives would be sinful? I know there are some sects of Christianity that would say it is, but it seems strange that it would be so, even in the context of marriage. Some people make the mistake that any time you're having sex all it is is carnal lust. To those in loving relationships, you know this not to be tr...'''
What would you say about those who choose to be chaste for the rest of their lives, such as Catholic priests or monks or nuns? Would they be considered sinning because if everyone was chaste the population would not be sustainable? I recall that there is a passage in the Bible which discusses marriage and, in a roundabout fashion, procreation. Jesus says that it is good to marry, but it would be better to be like Jesus (which is interpreted as not marrying or having children). Jesus, himself, is believed to have remained chaste. If everyone were to act like Jesus, the population would also be unable to sustain its numbers.
Would you also say that any use of contraceptives would be sinful? I know there are some sects of Christianity that would say it is, but it seems strange that it would be so, even in the context of marriage. Some people make the mistake that any time you're having sex all it is is carnal lust. To those in loving relationships, you know this not to be true. Sexual intercourse is one of those things that helps to affirm the emotional and spiritual connection between you and your spouse. Why should one necessarily have to be trying for children every time one desires closeness with one's spouse?
It also may bring into question those with certain diseases, genetic or otherwise, that might prevent them from having children. Are these people who simply choose not to have children sinful for not doing so, even when they may be unable to physically or because they might put their potential children at risk by having them?
So, you see, these issues alone hopefully elucidate the reason creating a universal out of an incidental is a poor way to prove it wrong. The fact is that in any given population at any given time, about 10% of it will be homosexual. The other 90% have no problem continuing the human species, and it would be vastly unlikely that we would ever have a situation which would leave us with only homosexuals to repopulate the planet. If that was the case, I'm sure that if it was the human race at stake, they might be willing to consider heterosexual intercourse, even though they wouldn't like it. Anyway, the fact that homosexuality is also been present in most animal species seems to confirm that this is indeed normal behavior and apparently not harmful to the species.
We can learn a skill.
I'd also like to laugh that your String Theory friend didn't seem to catch the sexual innuendo, but to be honest it went over my head the first time I read it, too...
The morality of the Bible is not followed, but INTERPRETED!
And these Roman dudes you speak of, are you including the likes of the Caesar clan? Cuz I don't think they saw any problem about it.
Also, to say that the "entire Book of the Holy Bible seems to point to [homosexuality being a sin]" is a vast hyperbole. There's barely a handful of passages that even mention anything like homosexual behavior. Not only that, in the more original manuscripts, these passages often tend to be more vague, and there is evidence that the text was changed by some later scribes to more explicitly condemn homosexual behavior. Because of this, the very interpretation that these passages are even referring to normal homosexual relationships is called into question. Even in the corrupted text it seems more likely that it condemns mindless lust, which is no more prevalent in homosexual relationships than in heterosexual relationships.
I suppose you believe homosexuality and all other things you don't like are all the result of some naked woman being conned by a talking snake some 6000 years ago? Well if you believe that, let me introduce you to my investment plan. You see, I have some prime ocean-front property in the heart of Arizona...
If God was so adament about it, don't you think he would have made it one of the top ten?
The problem with Homosexuality is people like you. Not the homosexuals. God isn't going to damn me or send me to hell. I am JUST the way HE made me.
My place in the Kingdom of God is assured. For let he who is without sin cast the first stone... I don't throw rocks and judge others. Are you sure a seats waiting for you?
People like you are soon to wish you kept your mouths shut. The call will soon go out and my people will rise up and vengance shall be ours.
Until that happens... I can tell you to shut your dumb hole, but I;m sure it wouldn't do any good...stupidity like that I am sure someone told you that already.
SO I will block your punk, dumb a$$ so I don't have to hear you babble further.
Be thankful this is an online community.
I just find him too entertaining to block, though.
We can get you some more sock puppets, ones that won't whisper sweet nothings into your ear at night. Ones, you will most likely use to pleasure yourself while looking at your secret gay porn cache.
Dude, you're such a hypocrite. You should just give it up and relocate to San Fran. We can all see through your facade.